Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[JacksonVirgo]

@alimdia re 338, wasn't the "need to find another vote" saying they want to vote someone besides Drew?

@jackson, do you still think Melody is pocketing you even after they explained their thought process?

VOTE: clemency

Yeah I do

[Datisi]

did i miss anything or is it solely the "townleaning you for picking a random number"?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 1.02

Clemency (1)

- Datisi,

Farkset (3)

- Cat Scratch Fever, Doctor Drew, DoctorPepper,

Dunnstral (1)

- Alduskkel

Doctor Drew (1)

- Brassherald

Alduskkel (2)

- Melody Farkset

Almidia (1)

- Skitter30,

Melody (1)

- JacksonVirgo

Not Voting (3): Clemency, Dunnstral, DonCorleone,

With 14 Alive, 8 Votes To Lynch.

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-05-23 08:00:00)

[alimdia]

@alimdia re 338, wasn't the "need to find another vote" saying they want to vote someone besides Drew?


VOTE: clemency

ye but they said me and cats are scummy.
Why not vote one of us?

[skitter30]

Please talk to me more about aldusk, why do you think that the suspicion around him is personality based?

Or to be more specific, what's there to read him as anything above null now? Did you iso him in this game or do you have just a metabased weak read?

because he doesn't really seem to me to have done anything scummy for him so i assumed he's largely getting wagoned for playstyle reasons

it's a vague metaread and i just took a look at his iso and he has a nice easy tone that i like
were you the person who said they iso'd him and didn't like what they saw there? if yes, can you expand on that?

[skitter30]

What reasoning is bad, and why is that scummy? I don't know what you're referring to - the only valid options would be 192+213 and i'd like to hear more about why they are scummy when scum!almi could have joined any other general consensus read instead of headbutting into you. This does not townlock almidia but i don't see how it would place him below null either

he's calling me scummy for saying that there's scum in the multiples and since i know i'm town in the 2's, for not voting any of the other 2's

except that's *not* what i said
i did say is taht there's at most scum 1 scum in each set of multiples, and per this logic there's little reason for me to voting in the multiples particularly right now

when this was pointed out to him, he continued voting me anyways

[skitter30]

@alimdia re 338, wasn't the "need to find another vote" saying they want to vote someone besides Drew?

@jackson, do you still think Melody is pocketing you even after they explained their thought process?

VOTE: clemency

why clemency?

[Datisi]

@alimdia re 338, wasn't the "need to find another vote" saying they want to vote someone besides Drew?

@jackson, do you still think Melody is pocketing you even after they explained their thought process?

VOTE: clemency

why clemency?

i dunno. i realized i don't feel ~strongly~ about almost any vote, and that i'm mentally still in early-game-waiting-for-people-to-post. figured this guy's probably part of the reason why.

my drew vote feels like a waste, i'm still waiting on jackson's reply and would kinda want to jam with them more before i decide if i wanna vote there, and i feel like voting alimdia but my read rate on him is a flat 0% so i feel like that probably makes him town so

here we are

[skitter30]

and i feel like voting alimdia but my read rate on him is a flat 0%

you've played with him before?
ngl while i do think he's very wrong it's almost the kind of wrong that tends to come from town, if that makes sense?

[Datisi]

yes, we played twice
first in micro 900 where he was prob my strongest scumread (for similar "leaps in logic") and if scum didn't kill him the day before lylo that probably would've cost us the game
second time was when i was townreading him in guns and roses 3 and i don't like talking about guns and roses 3

no wait we also played in krazy's post-apoc upick
yeah i wasn't townreading him there

tl;dr yeah i can't read alimdia

[skitter30]

meh

VOTE: catscratchfever

[Datisi]

eh, sure.

VOTE: catscratchfever

[Farkset]

Please talk to me more about aldusk, why do you think that the suspicion around him is personality based?

Or to be more specific, what's there to read him as anything above null now? Did you iso him in this game or do you have just a metabased weak read?

because he doesn't really seem to me to have done anything scummy for him so i assumed he's largely getting wagoned for playstyle reasons

it's a vague metaread and i just took a look at his iso and he has a nice easy tone that i like
were you the person who said they iso'd him and didn't like what they saw there? if yes, can you expand on that?

What kind of playstyle reasons? I don't see him picking fights as i usually do, or standing out in a particular way that would attract scumreads and wagoning. I don't know alduskkel, but i was not pinged the wrong way by him - rather the opposite, he didn't impress me at all, which is why i went back to check "why i don't remember anything from this slot?"

And i see an ISO which is basically IIOA and fighting

against

progress instead of producing it, this is what i mean when i say it's not a good iso. For instance, look at posts 115, 130, 223 - it seems to me that all of those are from a mindset that doesn't know what to say, so it tries to say something without standing out or taking any hard stance about anyone. He hasn't come back to post conclusions after questioning melody, so things may change in the near future, but as i said i don't see reason to read this slot as anything above null, which is why i was surprised by your read here

-Farkran

[Farkset]

What reasoning is bad, and why is that scummy? I don't know what you're referring to - the only valid options would be 192+213 and i'd like to hear more about why they are scummy when scum!almi could have joined any other general consensus read instead of headbutting into you. This does not townlock almidia but i don't see how it would place him below null either

he's calling me scummy for saying that there's scum in the multiples and since i know i'm town in the 2's, for not voting any of the other 2's

except that's *not* what i said
i did say is taht there's at most scum 1 scum in each set of multiples, and per this logic there's little reason for me to voting in the multiples particularly right now

when this was pointed out to him, he continued voting me anyways

Ok, i get where you may think that almidia is wrong and/or bad, but... the main question is still "why does scum!almidia headbutt into you?", especially at that point in time? I don't think of skitter as an easy-to-lynch player, probably even harder to mislynch as town - if your experience is different please let me know - so why would you want to

lead

a wagon there, as scum?

-Farkran

[Farkset]

meh

VOTE: catscratchfever

eh, sure.

VOTE: catscratchfever

Cat Fever what do you think of these two votes?

-Farkran

[skitter30]

I don't know alduskkel, but i was not pinged the wrong way by him -

rather the opposite, he didn't impress me at all,

which is why i went back to check "why i don't remember anything from this slot?"

right, that's kinda the point, i think that's the wrong way to read him

look at posts 115, 130, 223 - it seems to me that all of those are from a mindset that doesn't know what to say, so it tries to say something without standing out or taking any hard stance about anyone. He hasn't come back to post conclusions after questioning melody, so things may change in the near future, but as i said i don't see reason to read this slot as anything above null, which is why i was surprised by your read here

i think that just being around and posting carefree-ly is town-indicative for him
i like the way he brought up neon mafia and his approach to me
i don't think he's making a point of posting just to post and/or is making up content because he doesn't know what to say
i think, to him, those things felt like relevant things to share, and so he did

[skitter30]

Ok, i get where you may think that almidia is wrong and/or bad, but... the main question is still "why does scum!almidia headbutt into you?", especially at that point in time? I don't think of skitter as an easy-to-lynch player, probably even harder to mislynch as town - if your experience is different please let me know - so why would you want to lead a wagon there, as scum?

no, i agree with this assessment of me, i'm just not sure he has any particular reason to view me that way; i dont' think i've ever played with him before

[Melody]

Kinda wanted to say Alimdia's 338 felt forced like the skitts argument at the beginning. But I think i can see the argument. "You listed two scumreads, didn't vote either, then later voted a completely different person after Dunn voted them".

Small scum impressions:
Cats and Alim for reasons stated in 136 and 232.

@alimdia re 338, wasn't the "need to find another vote" saying they want to vote someone besides Drew?
VOTE: clemency

ye but they said me and cats are scummy.
Why not vote one of us?

what scum motivation do you think there was behind not voting one or the other in the same post? Especially considering Cat, Alim, and Aldus were probably all at 0 votes at the time

~Evening

[Melody]

VOTE: Cat

~Evening

[Farkset]

Melody you voted drew and aldu before, i think that with intend to pressure. What kind of conclusions did you gather from your previous pushes?
~ker

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Dunnstral
I feel like a lot of people are doing unnecessary claims or setup spec and it's just giving scum more clues about town PRs and of those people dunnstral is the worst

Is that anti-town or actually scummy though? Do you think Dunny taking the cop claim seriously and going hard down the 1-shot vig clam line is scum-motivated? Like, he thinks scum can get an advantage if he gets 1-shot vig to claim.

~Dawn

Of course scum get an advantage if a 1-shot vig claims. I think they'd be even happier if it were a 1-shot PGO claim -- they don't want one of their own to die while nightkilling or something.

I don't like how Aldusk doubled down on their scumread by saying I hadn't responded to enough things

It's a perfectly legitimate call-out though.

VOTE: Alduskkel

Let's try it.

~Dawn

Let's try it.

VOTE: Alduskkel

-Farkran

Well this feels weird. Melody just said I was "pending further evaluation" but then votes me, and then I don't know what to make of Farkset's vote. I doubt Farkset-Melody scumbuddies do this tho, unless that's exactly what they want me to think (but probably not).

Melody, what made you want to vote me rather than waiting for me to post more?

As for the smaller ones: Jackson, i lean on their entrance being genuine, which would make them town since scum should understand how the setup works after going thru the draft phase. Plus they admitted having played the setup before and still getting it wrong. it seems less likely to be a lie to me.

This seems somewhat pockety since I am a newer player compared to majority of you I assume, especially in this setup but I would have been just as confused as either alignment so sure it seems genuine but how is that AI as me being Town?

hilariously enough I think this is a townie thing to say

What about the Dunny vote; how is that reflective of his playstyle/personality, rather than him pursuing what he thinks is scummy?

i guess i don't entirely understand why you're viewing it as a scummy vote

Probably better to let Aldu reply than to go too much further into it.

~Dawn

I mean look at Dunnstral's iso. He tried to get a PR to claim and then got flak for it and has been laying low ever since. The only "scumhunting" he's done is casting aspersions on me for voting him.

But its still possible that for the [1] pick, 1 scum decided to sacrifice themselves getting a PR, but fuck over 3 other town in the process. Like 1 for 3 seems pretty worth right?

It's not really worth it for scum to "fuck over 3 other town" though if it just causes other townies to be high in the draft order instead.

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i can't tell what's going on on pages 13 and 14 with drew and 3p and arsonists and stuff

Liking Melody a lot more now for gut. Initially just thought it was the Drew vote. Maybe I just disagree with your reads, but it seems genuine.

Jackson seems genuine as well.

Turning around on Skitter.

Aldus and Dats seem town but I'm basing it off a previous game and their interactions seem similar.

So far I'm good on Fark but I can swing towards Alimdia

What'd you think of Melody voting me and Farkset immediately following suit?

meh

VOTE: catscratchfever

eh, sure.

VOTE: catscratchfever

DEJA VU / I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE / HIGHER ON THE STREET / AND I KNOW IT'S MY TIME TO GO~

srsly tho, why CSF. this just seems so random

What kind of playstyle reasons? I don't see him picking fights as i usually do, or standing out in a particular way that would attract scumreads and wagoning. I don't know alduskkel, but i was not pinged the wrong way by him - rather the opposite, he didn't impress me at all, which is why i went back to check "why i don't remember anything from this slot?"

And i see an ISO which is basically IIOA and fighting

against

progress instead of producing it, this is what i mean when i say it's not a good iso. For instance, look at posts 115, 130, 223 - it seems to me that all of those are from a mindset that doesn't know what to say, so it tries to say something without standing out or taking any hard stance about anyone.

115 -- neon mafia is my 2nd most recent game and I mentioned it to explain my skitter paranoia
130 -- Melody was basically just restating what Farkset already said, it just seemed kind of dishonest to do the vote without admitting to the sheeping (sheeping isn't necessarily scummy but scum still often try to avoid looking like they're sheeping)
223 -- more of a clarification post?

I mean I've kinda been trying to "pick a fight" with Dunnstral but he hasn't really been active so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How am I fighting against progress?

VOTE: Cat

~Evening

Dude what is with all these vote swaps. I kinda get moving your vote from drew to me but you moved your vote from me to CSF without me even posting at any point in between. So it makes me think you weren't really interested in pressuring me to sort my alignment.

VOTE: Melody
Still have my eye on Dunnstral but this vote seems more productive.

[Datisi]

srsly tho, why CSF. this just seems so random

i still have a feeling only like half the people are actually playing so i'm basically that guy with a stick poking and saying "do something"

aldus you've played in autumnal do you have feels on alimdia yet

[Alduskkel]

kinda agree with skitter's assessment here:

and i feel like voting alimdia but my read rate on him is a flat 0%

you've played with him before?
ngl while i do think he's very wrong it's almost the kind of wrong that tends to come from town, if that makes sense?

it's not strong but gut/tone says alimdia is town

[skitter30]

i think aldu is town

i've seen a few people/slots say they think melody is kinda townie and i'm not sure i see it

[Datisi]

so far i have gut-towns on:

melody

, don, dunn, and maybe datisi