Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[DonCorleone]

hello, Iconeum!

[DonCorleone]

datisi, am I right in thinking you have some history with Iconeum? how do you read his entrance?

[DonCorleone]

drdrew

when you get back talk me through this one, or point me at where you went into it before, because it's news. I think you're wrong on melody btw, happy to talk about it if you like. I still haven't caught up lol but I highly doubt melody managed to do anything scummy enough to shake my impression from when I was playing harder end of last week

[DonCorleone]

also, I'm confused: has your read on melody shifted from town to scum or am I interpreting that right as you still think they're likely scum but you don't want to lynch them because they're a high content slot?

[Datisi]

datisi, am I right in thinking you have some history with Iconeum? how do you read his entrance?

oh, we have a LOT of history, probably about 10 or so games. as much as i wanna say it's town (because i want to be town with ico lol), it's probably NAI.

btw, correction for earlier: aldus said he's townreading me for not caring, not scumreading.

[skitter30]

yeah, but I don't mean getting pushed for paranoia, I'm saying have scum ever decided to take the risk of bringing town you all the way to lylo to push a paranoia mislynch on you, or do they chicken out and NK you

so from like day1, no, no one's ever planned from that point of the game to set me up as the lylo mislynch
but night before lylo, some scum will keep me alive to push that narrative, yeah

[skitter30]

I just don't really agree with your scumreads? and think you're kind of hedgy on people who I do think are scummy.

like I don't see why csf is scummy, but if you see csf as scummy I don't see why you're not also reading aldus as scummy as I think they're broadly similar (not loads of content but have some stuff that makes me lean them towards being town)

right, so who am i hedging on?

i'm pretty sure i know who csf's main is, and i don't think her current behavior is characterisitic of town!her, whereas i do believe that aldu's is, and i also think that aldu shitposting with aldu in thread is townie for him, or at least something that i imagine would be hard for him to do as scum

[DonCorleone]

okay, in that case, icon can you tell me what you make of Datisi's slot when you get back please and specifically what you think of 208 and whether you think that's consistent with town!him

re:aldus yeah, I meant to write the other thing but I still like it as a take

[DonCorleone]

yeah, but I don't mean getting pushed for paranoia, I'm saying have scum ever decided to take the risk of bringing town you all the way to lylo to push a paranoia mislynch on you, or do they chicken out and NK you

so from like day1, no, no one's ever planned from that point of the game to set me up as the lylo mislynch
but night before lylo, some scum will keep me alive to push that narrative, yeah

right, so therefore it's not very beneficial to lynch you on D1 unless you're like very very obviously scum, so hopefully CSF will leave this alone now

[skitter30]

She's not pushing my lynch tho?
Literally nobody is rn

[DonCorleone]

I just don't really agree with your scumreads? and think you're kind of hedgy on people who I do think are scummy.

like I don't see why csf is scummy, but if you see csf as scummy I don't see why you're not also reading aldus as scummy as I think they're broadly similar (not loads of content but have some stuff that makes me lean them towards being town)

right, so who am i hedging on?

i'm pretty sure i know who csf's main is, and i don't think her current behavior is characterisitic of town!her, whereas i do believe that aldu's is, and i also think that aldu shitposting with aldu in thread is townie for him, or at least something that i imagine would be hard for him to do as scum

I think you've been kind of soft-protecting dunn/alim/aldus and you've been hedgy on melody. as in on the first two I think you've been calling them town but softly, as in if they did go through you'd be in a position to get some cred for not being on them but you're not committed to a hard TR on either so you could backtrack quite easily if you need to. and the same on melody, I just feel like your towered-to-gut-scumping could quite easily be you leaving room around them so you can change your position up however you want

and then I don't like your CSF scumread either, although I didn't realise she was an alt which means I'll have another look there. I thought she was a newbie, so if she's not that changes things as I was basically just taking her behaviour as being probably non-strategic

[DonCorleone]

She's not pushing my lynch tho?
Literally nobody is rn

I skimmed a few pages, but I'm basically caught up.

Town:
Datisi, Farkset, DonCorleone(?)

Townlean:
Dunn, DoctorPepper, Melody, JacksonVirgo

Null:
Drew, Clemency, brass, Alim

Scum/Scumlean:
Aldus, skitter

skitter I feel like is defending aldu disproportionately to the strength of her townread on that slot, and I'm not really following her votes. Like why would she try to compromise with Farkset if she's not very sure that slot is town?

her recent iso has been fairly dominated by talk about you but yeah she's not pushing you actively, my bad

[DonCorleone]

right I gotta bounce but I'll be around again later

[Cat Scratch Fever]

like what parts of it do you disagree with?

like i think you're pushing him for having bad reasoning
which is fine, i guess, but i don't think *he* thinks it's bad reasoning, which is the important bit;

i think he thinks those are legitimate pushes

Where do you get this impression though?

I don't really believe Aldus scumreads vote switching like that. by that metric, then Datisi should be scummy for voting Clemency --> me?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

WRT ALDUSKKEL

This Game	Neon Mafia	Isaac Mafia
144	334	436
370	357	685
385	561	724

The scumgame is 6 years old, but that was the only one i could find from alduskkel, the guy seems to roll only town. This lowers the reliability of the scum metadive significantly, but i don't see any reason to townlock him based on neon mafia either. He was much more proactive than here and i would say the disengagement is a scumtrait for him rather than towny - he seems much more engaged and aggressive with his reads in neon mafia than he is here or in isaac mafia. This is not alignment-lock worthy, so i don't understand why we're clashing for it this much, skitter. I would have easily accepted a null, even nulltown read, but your level of confidence is orders of magnitude higher than it should be in my opinion. I got the same impression as Cat did in 580.

I think this could tell us more about skitter (and maybe Cat Fever) than it does about aldus, but i don't vibe skitter scum yet and i don't think a skitter wagon is happening today. I wouldn't let her reach lylo unless i am proven wrong though.

-Farkran

This game is pretty different from his scumgame with the caveat that it was years ago

I see like one major difference between this game and neon mafia but I think I need Aldus to post more to see if it's alignment indicative

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i'm pretty sure i know who csf's main is, and i don't think her current behavior is characterisitic of town!her,

Idk I don't really think I'm playing differently? This is kind of how I play, especially in a game that's kind of boring if we're being frank

[Cat Scratch Fever]

brass, are you still scumreading Drew?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Nvm, i'm not longer a high wagon, last VC is wrong and Cat switched away

Just say I'm bad at my job.

[Farkset]

drdrew

when you get back talk me through this one, or point me at where you went into it before, because it's news. I think you're wrong on melody btw, happy to talk about it if you like. I still haven't caught up lol but I highly doubt melody managed to do anything scummy enough to shake my impression from when I was playing harder end of last week

I didn't fancy how Drew jumped on my wagon earlier today, then i backed off of that because my read was weak and i wasn't sure what to do with the other people who joined the wagon against him. Shortly after, a lot of things happened around melody (another participant to that wagon) and aldus (who then became my main focus, although in retrospect guess that was mostly fueled by skitter defending him) so i kinda didn't talk about drew anymore - but then again that issue was never resolved and i also don't like that he disappeared after the thread stopped talking about him, so he's still in my lynchpool.

All in all i'm not happy with this gamestate and i feel like we should consolidate on something, so i'd like if everyone posted their lynchpools for today and we start to remove ego layers from our reads and try to compromise on something relevant

-Farkran

[Farkset]

Nvm, i'm not longer a high wagon, last VC is wrong and Cat switched away

Just say I'm bad at my job.

Another VC would be awesome as an apology <3

-Farkran

[Farkset]

Skitter, if i would give you compulsive day 1 vigilate shot, who would you kill?
~ker

[JacksonVirgo]

At work, will post when I get home. Sorry about that guys

[Alduskkel]

hi i've been busy making bad life choices but i'm here now and catching up

[Doctor Drew]

I really won't be super active before deadline but I read that Farken said something about lynchpools.

From early in the day, and a little I have skimmed since then I would not lynch Skitter or Melody.

I would lynch Ald, Fark, or Brass.

Alot if gut here.

I will go with wotc though, I certainly am in no state to lead a lynch.

[Alduskkel]

the lack of a recent vote count was really bothering me okay

Alduskkel (3) - Melody, Cat Scratch Fever, Farkset
Melody (2) - JacksonVirgo, Alduskkel
alimdia (2) - DoctorPepper, DonCorleone
brassherald (1) - Dunnstral
Farkset (1) - Doctor Drew
DoctorPepper (1) - Datisi
Doctor Drew (1) - brassherald
skitter30 (1) - alimdia
Cat Scratch Fever (1) - skitter30

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-05-23 08:00:00)

wow guys could you spread out your votes a little more