Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[Farkset]

The slot should claim. If they kill him, you are left alive, which is a positive outcome for the town. If you die, we will know that the doc/rb slot is scum.

-Farkran

[Datisi]

The slot should claim. If they kill him, you are left alive, which is a positive outcome for the town. If you die, we will know that the doc/rb slot is scum.

doesn't saying "if there's a town JK don't be on dunn tonight" yield the same results without outing the slot?

[Farkset]

The slot should claim. If they kill him, you are left alive, which is a positive outcome for the town. If you die, we will know that the doc/rb slot is scum.

doesn't saying "if there's a town JK don't be on dunn tonight" yield the same results without outing the slot?

Assume this ^

What happens tomorrow if dunn claims blocked?

-F

[Datisi]

then we know at least one of the doc/rb and jk/tracker slots are scum?

counterpoint: jk/tracker slot claims today, neither dunn nor they die, dunn claims blocked. do we just mindlessly lynch the jk/track claim tomorrow? i still don't see how them claiming today helps us.

[Dunnstral]

The slot should claim. If they kill him, you are left alive, which is a positive outcome for the town. If you die, we will know that the doc/rb slot is scum.

doesn't saying "if there's a town JK don't be on dunn tonight" yield the same results without outing the slot?

Assume this ^

What happens tomorrow if dunn claims blocked?

-F

Mafia jailkeeper has no incentive to out in the first place

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd still much rather lynch doncorleone today. I don't want him anywhere near lylo.

ok
dc is scum fake-claiming cop ... what does he think the real cop is going to do ... not check him? is he just gambling from like p2 that there isn't a cop?

walk me through what scum!dc is thinking all game

I thought DC claim was a meme until he offered a inno on CSF. That was the moment when i stopped believing it was a meme a considered DC as a true cop because town lying about innos should never happen if you actually care about winning the game.

As an obvious (since DC isn't a true cop) consequence of that statement, Dunnstral counterclaimed, then DC retracted the claim. As a result, now we have an outed cop and no more info than we had before. This is a perfect situation for a scum gambit if they couldn't get their hands on the good roles - maybe they didn't expect to lose one of their own d1 and doncorleone wanted to bait a counterclaim assuming that only he would fall, but once the cogs started running they had to continue with the plan regardless of d1 result.

It's not just a mech or policy lynch though, doncorleone played antitown + has a terrible vote progression + why wasn't he killed n1? Unfortunately this is also true for dunn, except that dunn would have never been killed n1

Anyways, now DC will never be nk'ed, so we will meet in lylo unless we win earlier, which is not a bet i am willing to make. DC must be removed today, Dunn must be protected without getting blocked (hence why the jailkeeper should claim now) and offer results each day.

-Farkran

How do we know there's a JK?

[Farkset]

then we know at least one of the doc/rb and jk/tracker slots are scum?

It's strictly less info than what we would and should have

counterpoint: jk/tracker slot claims today, neither dunn nor they die, dunn claims blocked. do we just mindlessly lynch the jk/track claim tomorrow? i still don't see how them claiming today helps us.

The jk/tracker will have to speak up tomorrow if he is alive, otherwise yes he's lynched

Mafia jailkeeper has no incentive to out in the first place

Which is one more reason to force him to out today

I mean... i don't think we have anything to lose by outing the jailkeeper today, that's the main point. We only gain more information and control over night actions. It would not be the same with doc/rb or any other role, this is why i am insisting on that specific role to claim, as opposed to any other role (note: role != player). That's what i'm suggesting to do. If you are against it, fine, but keeping it secret at this point is suboptimal. Arguments and counterarguments have been presented, now it's up to the jailkeeper. We can move on.

-Farkran

pedit: we don't, and in that case we don't care

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would the JK/Tracker need to claim? If they're generally a town-read player wouldn't them in the shadows benefit us?

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would the JK/Tracker need to claim? If they're generally a town-read player wouldn't them in the shadows benefit us?

As long as they soft their results in case they die ofc

[JacksonVirgo]

Also what are the chances that the two remaining mafia are goons lel

[skitter30]

The slot should claim. If they kill him, you are left alive, which is a positive outcome for the town.

If you die, we will know that the doc/rb slot is scum.

-Farkran

can you just explain this conclusion again?

[skitter30]

VOTE: doctorpepper

[skitter30]

if on the very off chance there's a town 1s vig who tried to shoot last night but either failed or hit melody, i think you ought to claim that now

[Datisi]

@skitter
why does what you say about dp in 1255 not apply to me and what happened to this:

I also think its low-key unlikely for there to be more than 1 scum in the 1's and 2's combined

a) wrt the end of the aldu wagon - when it looked like other people might be viable, you indicated that you preferred a different lynch, but circled back to aldu once other people shut that down (i said i wouldn't switch, fark revoted aldu)
b) yes that's true and tbh i kinda forgot that you were in the 1's. i don't think that it's a great reason to rule out half the pl tho,

and at this point i kinda want to push you a bit given that i feel woefully unimpressed with your content

VOTE: doctorpepper

?

[skitter30]

i reassessed and i think there's a decent chance of scum being above aldu in the draft so i want to push there

[Datisi]

i think there's a decent chance of scum being above aldu in the draft

8. Skitter - 2
9. Alduskkel - 2

:thonk:

VOTE: drpepper

[skitter30]

well more accurately, a non-2 higher than him in the draft
he was a goon, which means he didn't get what he wanted. if he were the highest player he probably would have tried to make a more conservative pick taht he thought was likely to have gone through
(of course, he may have, but it failed anyways)
but i think there's a decent chance where he was low-ish so tried for something a bit more risky from scum's pov and failed to get it, but felt comfortable trying for it since there was someone above him

[skitter30]

i take it you're townreading me?

[Datisi]

mm, not really, no, but i'm not townreading anyone in the actual sense of the word

might be because i'm feeling pretty demotivated for this game right now (i say right now but it's obviously been like that for a good while)

how similarly does scum!you act towards your partners in newbies and non-newbies? i remember what made me walk back from scum!you in 1992 was you saying you wouldn't bus that hard in a newbie.

[skitter30]

do you have any reads?
why are you sheeping me so much then?

pretty differently, bussing is very much on the table in non-newbie games

[Datisi]

do you have any reads?
why are you sheeping me so much then?

i have alimdia/CSF/skitter/jv/drdrew/dunn as do not lynch today
and n_m as maybe do not lynch due to draft order

pretty differently, bussing is very much on the table in non-newbie games

i am very aware of that
i'm talking more about buddying partners than bussing

i'm debating with myself about you and your associates with aldus and rn i don't think it's scum indicative
and i'm fine sheeping you since you probably have better reads than me and you're more invested than me etc

can you give me tldr on ico town? or quote it if you've already made it

also @fark i think you missed it before, why is ico close to the top of your lynchlist?

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: doctorpepper

??

Lolwut

[Farkset]

The slot should claim. If they kill him, you are left alive, which is a positive outcome for the town.

If you die, we will know that the doc/rb slot is scum.

-Farkran

can you just explain this conclusion again?

Doc should always heal dunn tonight

I assume that the slot is filled and that town wouldn't pick rb over doc

Therefore, dunn dies = the doc/rb slot is scum

-F

[Farkset]

also @fark i think you missed it before, why is ico close to the top of your lynchlist?

I disliked the slot in d1, and bad wagonomics

-F

[Farkset]

VOTE: doctorpepper

-F