Mini Normal 2139: No Flavor Allowed - Game Over

Auro · Post Post #2525 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:44 pm

Think about the setup in {Hoctac+Auro}: Town is pretty much OP. Do you think {Hoctac+Auro} as scum have any additional powers? What would they be? Screwing around in the hood while we have Cop, Follower-Tracker on our tails and town lynching in the hood because of the FV's information?
Something's fishy, right?

Auro · Post Post #2526 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:45 pm

In post 2524, Umlaut wrote:Reminding me of something you did that I found to be a scummy last-ditch attempt at gaining town cred probably isn't going to help me feel better about your slot.

You asked me about my progression in thought, and I answered!
You do realize that gaining that "towncred" in the Auro+Hoctac universe is moot anyway?

Umlaut · Post Post #2527 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:50 pm

@Looker

With Auro holding the hammer you must realize that if Auro is scum then Hoctac must be as well. Vote Hoctac?

Auro · Post Post #2528 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:55 pm

I know the universe I'm putting forward is correct is pretty much a violation of Occam's Razor from an outside perspective, but one must remember that these situations are exactly the ones scum would shape the game towards.

Umlaut wrote:
@Looker
With Auro holding the hammer you must realize that if Auro is scum then Hoctac must be as well. Vote Hoctac?

Looker's wrongly thinking that I'm scum. You and Looker should vote Micc.

Auro · Post Post #2529 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:03 pm

I feel like I'm the crazy one here.

Micc · Post Post #2530 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:05 pm

If this is going to be a 2v2 I’m not really willing to engage in an argument to convince the other side they’re scum.

If umlaut/looker want to engage I’ll be around to respond

Umlaut · Post Post #2531 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:05 pm

In post 2035, Hoctac wrote:Okay, let's talk about clidd!scum scenario. He would get a mislynch on Umlaut today, and then rely on us trusting him in 5p LyLo, in order to get a game winning mislynch in the hood probably. clidd + Looker/Bla would make most sense if he's going for an all out win. Zulfy + clidd are probably disaligned with how clidd is okay with a Zulfy lynch and Zulfy is currently gunning for a clidd lynch, it seems too risky if there ends up being any takers for either.

Scum would have to be very weak in PRs for this to make sense though. Am I forgetting a town PR? It's only Follower + 1-shot Cop otherwise, right?

So this is a vanilla slip. A town PR doesn't make this post at this point when we have already called for a mass claim.

Auro · Post Post #2532 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:06 pm

Looker... Umlaut can't be scum. {Auro+Umlaut} means I simply hammer Hoctac for the win. He's town; Micc and Fire are the scumteam.

Auro · Post Post #2533 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:07 pm

In post 2531, Umlaut wrote:So this is a vanilla slip. A town PR doesn't make this post at this point when we have already called for a mass claim.

Unless they're intentionally hiding it after having crumbed it?

Auro · Post Post #2534 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:11 pm

I wouldn't mind if Looker just hammers here and we lose the game, but I want to claim personal bragging rights when game ends.

Firebringer · Post Post #2535 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:14 pm

In post 2518, Auro wrote:Fire is a goon. The lack of kill means they knew Micc was targeted. Hoctac was claiming vig in thread, so from their PoV it's likely that Hoctac was the one taking the shot; and thus, a smart guess.
1-shot Cop + Informed FV + Disloyal Even-Night Vigilante seems like OK balance, although I'm no expert at mechanics.

This doesn't make sense.

Auro · Post Post #2536 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:15 pm

Of course you'd say that, Firebringer.

Firebringer · Post Post #2537 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:17 pm

In post 2498, Looker wrote:Why would scum!Hoctac perform a killing action on Micc if Micc is scum.

because scum!Hoctac doesn't know Micc is his Traitor.

Firebringer · Post Post #2538 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:18 pm

In post 2536, Auro wrote:Of course you'd say that, Firebringer.

Do you want me to point out the holes?

> How would I know Hoctac shot at Micc. That is one fucking lucky guess.
> Then you assume we decided to claim no kill on top of that.

Umlaut · Post Post #2539 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:21 pm

Almost want to just vote Auro here and watch him try and explain why he's not quickhammered after his two townreads vote him, but I'm only about 90% convinced it's not Hoctac+traitor.

Auro · Post Post #2540 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:23 pm

I acknowledged it's partly luck; but Hoctac did claim Vig in a manner that it appeared to be nonsense. Given Micc's BP, you could've pieced that together.

Yes, you performed a no kill, to make Micc appear as soft confirmed town, and got lucky that Hoctac actually used his shot correctly.

Auro · Post Post #2541 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:24 pm

I mean, I would be quickhammered if you do vote me.

Umlaut · Post Post #2542 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:25 pm

In post 2532, Auro wrote:Looker... Umlaut can't be scum. {Auro+Umlaut} means I simply hammer Hoctac for the win. He's town; Micc and Fire are the scumteam.

I love how this reasoning assumes I would have to be scum with you in particular.

Firebringer · Post Post #2543 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:26 pm

Like auro. How can u believe Hoctac is fucking shooting his town reads. His claim is designed to be used to shoot at the scummiest players in the game to clear them of suspicion and he is shooting at Micc?

If Hoctc thinks micc is more valuable to clear because he gets "100% clears" wouldn't it make more sense to shoot someone he can't clear like you? Because if Micc dies, then he is sitting around with his dick in his hand with no info.

and by all indications Micc was townread the most yesterday so it isn't a stretch of the imagination for anyone to think Micc is gonna die. Ohh and he is a PR. Why would you shoot a player the scum are likely gonna shoot. Your either playing really bad or ur just killing the towniest players like a scum would.

Auro · Post Post #2544 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:26 pm

The other options are moot anyway, no? That's the team Looker was proposing.

Firebringer · Post Post #2545 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:27 pm

In post 2540, Auro wrote:Yes, you performed a no kill, to make Micc appear as soft confirmed town

What?!?!?! I said Micc was hell of suspicious for coming out with this "BP" out of thin air!

Auro · Post Post #2546 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:28 pm

I've just finished a game where I "townread" Something_Smart, but expressly planned to 180 on him contingent on a few factors. Soon after I got killed at night I reasoned that he's scum, who only killed me for one reason.

Calling potential scum obvtown is a darn good way of staying alive, so you can nail them later.

Auro · Post Post #2547 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:29 pm

In post 2545, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2540, Auro wrote:Yes, you performed a no kill, to make Micc appear as soft confirmed town
What?!?!?! I said Micc was hell of suspicious for coming out with this "BP" out of thin air!

A planned anti-reaction. Going "oh yeah, right that explains it, noice!!" works poorly and would cause people to recognize it's a gambit.

Firebringer · Post Post #2548 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:30 pm

In post 2546, Auro wrote:I've just finished a game where I "townread" Something_Smart, but expressly planned to 180 on him contingent on a few factors. Soon after I got killed at night I reasoned that he's scum, who only killed me for one reason.

Calling potential scum obvtown is a darn good way of staying alive, so you can nail them later.

But thats not the point. If theres a sliver of a chance Micc is town, Hoctac should have still shot at u to give u the clear because in the case town!micc who gets shot by scum, he isn't left with 0 info to be added to the game.

Firebringer · Post Post #2549 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:32 pm

And this whole "one of the PR is lying" is a new phenomena that I don't see expressed by Hoctac before today.