Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Vote Count 2.07

Dunnstral (1)

- Not_mafia,

DoctrorPepper (1)

- DonCorleone,

DonCorleone (5)

- Doctor Drew, Farkset, DoctorPepper, Iconeum, Cat Scratch Fever,

DoctorPepper (3)

- Skitter30, Datisi,

Not_Mafia (1)

- JacksonVirgo

Not Voting (2)

: Almidia, Dunnstral,
With 12 Alive, 7 Votes To Lynch.

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-03 10:00:00)

[alimdia]

Well theres 6 hours still

[Datisi]

i thought you preferred donc to pepper anyway?

[JacksonVirgo]

Can we cfd to Not_Mafia?

[skitter30]

watcher if they have a shot ideally i guess ought to be on dunn but i wouldn't like consider it a scumclaim for them not to be

Yeah, yours gonna wanna keep me alive for one night longer, so I suggest you find a new lynch

Be on dunn

VOTE: dc

[DonCorleone]

Can we cfd to Not_Mafia?

works for me

VOTE: NM

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[DonCorleone]

if we're doing that then someone really needs to change their vote off me before he comes on though, or I'm getting insta-hammered

[Datisi]

VOTE: N_M
dab

[DonCorleone]

see, part of my problem is that I feel like scum a lot of the time are "asking things without a purpose". that's why I was asking icon about you after he joined the game, because that seems to fit with a lot of what you've been doing -- as in, not really playing.

-snip-

do you not think that my gambit is an important element in determining my alignment?

I guess partly I think you're not interested in a lot fo things I am interested in, and that's pinging because I want those things focused to try and find scum while you're kind of just passing on them.

from "scum ask things without a purpose" and "datisi is asking things without a purpose" you cannot logically conclude "datisi is scum". am i doing that? yeah. but that's how i play when i don't have a good grasp on the game or my reads.

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it might be to other people. to me it's not. my first instinct when seeing a gambit like that is "oh it's town because scum wouldn't do that", and i am aware of how worthless that conclusion is. so i disregard the whole thing. if my ability to discern someone's alignment is better by some means than others, i'm generally not gonna waste time banging my head against the wall with things i'm not good at.

what are the lot of things you're interested in here and i'm not, apart from your gambit?

I can't say that you're lockscum from it, but there's a difference between saying "Datisi is doing X" therefore "Datisi is scum" and "datisi is doing something scum do a lot of the time" therefore "datisi is more likely to be scum" because I don't know whether I should believe the justifications you're giving for not being engaged

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I don't really understand the paragraph. why is that worthless as a conclusion?

and I think that besides my gambit, you've also not been particularly interested in the implications of the NK, or looking at the VCA and what that might imply. or interactions with our flipped scum, particularly.

[Farkset]

Not doing n_m

[Farkset]

Not doing n_m

-Farkran

[DonCorleone]

pretty sure we have the votes without you farkset

[DonCorleone]

provided skitter/alim comes back before deadline

[DonCorleone]

watcher if they have a shot ideally i guess ought to be on dunn but i wouldn't like consider it a scumclaim for them not to be

Yeah, yours gonna wanna keep me alive for one night longer, so I suggest you find a new lynch

To be clear, this is a claim and it's also me claiming I haven't used that shot

oh, so this is what broke the DP lynch train.

I don't really love that so many people are being allowed to claim "a role" and then retract the next day but yeah, I didn't really want pepper today so I'm alright with letting this go.

[Datisi]

I don't really understand the paragraph. why is that worthless as a conclusion?

and I think that besides my gambit, you've also not been particularly interested in the implications of the NK, or looking at the VCA and what that might imply. or interactions with our flipped scum, particularly.

it's worthless because realistically, you can be town executing a gambit perfectly, or scum obvscumming by obviously fucking up the gambit in some way, and i most likely would go "oh ye town probably scum don't do that". it's worthless. which i'm aware can sound as either scum not wanting to do things or town not bothering to learn them, but it is what it is.

i don't exactly do VCA, again, i don't know how. historically i've been much better at telling alignments between different people by reading certain interactions rather than by scrolling through a mod iso.

i'll give you that, i haven't gone back and reread day 1 with flipped scum in mind.

[Iconeum]

i would much rather flip donc and not have to deal with the wifom around his play anymore then lynch NM

[DonCorleone]

cum!donc would play it exactly like this. He gets away without being hard scumread for the claim, and scum have a nice and clean N2 cop kill pending protects. Gladiating means even if donc wins it today, he gets lynched on the spot tomorrow for the same benefit.

only this disregards that scum!me would have to gamble on dunn not having investigated me (a likely outcome and what I was counting on happening from the real cop) in which case me NOT gladiating him as scum would lead to me getting auto-lynched without even buying an extra NK

[Dunnstral]

I don't really love that so many people are being allowed to claim "a role" and then retract the next day

[Datisi]

who are the so many people being allowed to do that?

[DonCorleone]

I don't really love that so many people are being allowed to claim "a role" and then retract the next day

I mean, I think there's a difference between fake claiming a specific role to bait a kill and just claiming "I have a PR" only to then go "lol actually I don't I just didn't wanna be lynched" which is what's been happening

pedit: well, alim yesterday and then I'm not sure that I believe drpepper or not but either way he's softing and I don't really see what the benefit is in him not clarifying which thing he's softing

[Datisi]

he literally claimed 1s watcher lmao

[DonCorleone]

oh, I just finished page 67

[Iconeum]

I don't really love that so many people are being allowed to claim "a role" and then retract the next day

you mean like that 1 dude who claimed cop and then retracted it the next day?

[DoctorPepper]

i would much rather flip donc and not have to deal with the wifom around his play anymore then lynch NM

Show of hands who trusts DonC as town after the gambit?

If this isn't a plurality, you're gonna be kept alive by scum if you're town with a majority of the game not being able to trust you