Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

ofrhz · Post Post #700 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:39 am

VOTE COUNT 1.16

gobbledygook [4]:

Bingle [622], Datisi [651], Menalque [665], MariaR [668]

Bingle [2]

: Firebringer [369], gobbledygook [552]

PenguinPower [2]

: Blake Belladonna [69], lilith2013 [103]

MariaR [2]:

skitter30 [476], PenguinPower [694]

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart, Pink Ball, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

Firebringer · Post Post #701 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:40 am

In post 698, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 691, Bingle wrote:ngl, the speed is very unnerving.
Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

why

PenguinPower · Post Post #702 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:40 am

Good on you mod.

skitter30 · Post Post #703 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:40 am

can any of the like 5 people on that wagon explain why gobbles is scummy now?
i really don't get it

and VOTE: something_smart

Bingle · Post Post #704 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:40 am

There's a difference between good case and 0 votes to L-1 in an hour.

With that said, none of the votes really strike me as opportunistic.

Maria's would be the worst, but she's been clearly telegraphing a gobbles scumread independently of my own since before mine existed.

Firebringer · Post Post #705 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:41 am

VOTE: something smart

skitter30 · Post Post #706 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:41 am

In post 698, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 691, Bingle wrote:ngl, the speed is very unnerving.
Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?

Bingle · Post Post #707 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:42 am

@skitter

my case:

In post 637, Bingle wrote:Recent Bingle games:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82907

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: mastina scum, many townreads, very proactive, shot N1.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82724

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: literal full reads list with several confident scumreads AND townreads within a couple of days.

viewtopic.php?t=82590&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: I had a 5 person PoE pool within 24 hours of posting.

tl;dr:

Not only do I not believe that Gobbles thinks effort is scum indicative from me (I'm pretty sure he's been present for multiple walls about why it's not with exhaustive meta analysis) he has recently seen exclusively the he's scumreading me for as town. Not in one game. In EVERY game we've played together over the past few months. He routinely gives me shit for hard defending scum slots as town in the dead thread, something that most of this game can attest to first hand.

My reads accuracy is a crapshoot. My having reads and pushing them? Not so much. And I don't think gobbles genuinely believes that it is, because town him has never pushed this angle. He's pushed 'Bingles reads are crap so he must be scum', but never 'Bingle having hard reads is scummy' despite all of the games in which I had those hard reads early.

That's 3 of my last 6 completed games. The others: Jigsaw, where I replaced in and immediately had a bunch of hard reads. Fairly Special, where I replaced in and was nightkilled for tunneling scum
before I had caught up on the thread
, and Donnie Brasco where my entire play was catching onto a Maria/Ali interaction and then immediately shouting for everyone to shut up and lynch until we won to prevent Maria from being outed.

Maria's case:

In post 401, MariaR wrote:I want gobble to explain like, anything. His reads feel entirely made up on the spot/meaning to take advantage of the game state. It's a light read that will probably change when he gives me the sit down, but until then I will call him scum. This game had a lot more filler than I was expecting, making it a bit harder to get into it.

ISO · Post Post #708 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:42 am

In post 701, Firebringer wrote:why

Because flash wagons happen a lot and flash defenses do not happen a lot.

skitter30 · Post Post #709 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:42 am

In post 668, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Gobble

L-1

actually what is this
VOTE: maria

Firebringer · Post Post #710 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:43 am

In post 708, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 701, Firebringer wrote:why
Because flash wagons happen a lot and flash defenses do not happen a lot.

but there was literally no case on gobbles scum? the flash wagon didn't have a case attached. It was like everyone just jumped on for 0 reason. Why wouldn't anyone call that out as weird or ask people to explain

Bingle · Post Post #711 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:44 am

warmpuppy has my posts hidden.

ISO · Post Post #712 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:45 am

In post 706, skitter30 wrote:what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?

It means exactly what it says. I don't really care that gobble's wagon reached L-2 quickly, but I do care that a bunch of people immediately stepped in to defend him. I wasn't suggesting that any particular conclusion should be drawn from it.

I'm townleaning him.

Firebringer · Post Post #713 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:45 am

In post 711, Bingle wrote:warmpuppy has my posts hidden.

yeah. But i don't see ur case as the reason anyone jumped on. It was pretty random flash wagon. And I don't think ur points against gobbles are good either

skitter30 · Post Post #714 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:46 am

In post 707, Bingle wrote:Maria's case:

yeah that's why i voted mariar in the first place

gobble did you respond to jingle's case against you?

skitter30 · Post Post #715 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:47 am

In post 712, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 706, skitter30 wrote:what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?
It means exactly what it says. I don't really care that gobble's wagon reached L-2 quickly, but I do care that a bunch of people immediately stepped in to defend him. I wasn't suggesting that any particular conclusion should be drawn from it.

I'm townleaning him.

ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

ISO · Post Post #716 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:47 am

In post 710, Firebringer wrote:but there was literally no case on gobbles scum? the flash wagon didn't have a case attached. It was like everyone just jumped on for 0 reason. Why wouldn't anyone call that out as weird or ask people to explain

I'm not saying it isn't a good thing to do. I'm saying it's unusual.

ISO · Post Post #717 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:47 am

In post 715, skitter30 wrote:ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

Because that rarely happens?

Firebringer · Post Post #718 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:48 am

idgi that u don't care that a townlean was flashed to L-2.

Firebringer · Post Post #719 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:48 am

why u townleaning gobbles again?

skitter30 · Post Post #720 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:49 am

In post 717, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 715, skitter30 wrote:ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?
Because that rarely happens?

ok and the conclusion is ...

like why are you pointing it out if you think he's town anyways? isn't it a good thing that people are defendign him?

gobbledygook · Post Post #721 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:50 am

In post 714, skitter30 wrote:
In post 707, Bingle wrote:Maria's case:
yeah that's why i voted mariar in the first place

gobble did you respond to jingle's case against you?

I did.

In post 696, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 691, Bingle wrote:
In post 685, skitter30 wrote:guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it
ngl, the speed is very unnerving. I'm not sure who would be scum hopping on though, and I definitely still want to hear gobbles talk about why me doing literally the only thing he's seen town me do consistently for months is somehow scum indicative.
I can't remember town!you casing someone as early as you did with Menalque in this game.

Datisi · Post Post #722 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:50 am

In post 713, Firebringer wrote:
In post 711, Bingle wrote:warmpuppy has my posts hidden.
yeah. But i don't see ur case as the reason anyone jumped on. It was pretty random flash wagon. And I don't think ur points against gobbles are good either

i literally just said i'm sheeping bingle

skitter30 · Post Post #723 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:50 am

ok, and why is something that you think is unlikely to come from town!jingle?

fire i'm townreading you and it's scaring me

Firebringer · Post Post #724 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:51 am

In post 723, skitter30 wrote:fire i'm townreading you and it's scaring me

eww gross get ur townread away from me.