Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

[SirCakez]

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

[SirCakez]

I think Manatee is probably town.

I agree Manatee is probably town here

why

He was CC to Drew

[SirCakez]

CW rather

[Fenraiser]

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

What makes you think this Cakez?

[Titus]

I think Manatee is probably town.

I agree Manatee is probably town here

why

He was CW to Drew

Him being the counterwagon to scum is not enough alone. Look at context.

It was an EoD wagon and folks refused to vote Manatee. There's two likely possibilities.

One, town refused to vote town.

Two, scum decided a town wagon wouldn't take and bussed their weaker partner.

[Titus]

If Umlaut is a serial killer, make him scum's problem by obvtowning him.

What? In my experience serial killers are usually bulletproof. Why should we not try to lynch him? SK is just as likely to kill a bunch of townies as opposed to making a mafia shot. And if you notice we lost 2 PR's yesterday. Why on earth would we willingly try to obvtown a serial killer?

If we thought he was the SK, yes. I have no reason to think that. By calling the SK obvtown, scum shoot at the SK. Even if the SK is bulletproof, that's one less bullet that hits town. Also scum will let us know who the SK is if they hit it. There's no reason to hunt an SK. We just scumhunt and consider it a lucky break if we hit the SK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and

osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

Can you elaborate on this bolded part?

[CantHateAPuppy]

im all caught up

Gotta admit the reads aren't coming to me. Agree manatee is probably spewed clear and osuka probably isn't scum for pushing that Drew lynch. also agree with titus about umlaut being obvtown here

Kind of in an odd position, don't blame anyone for suspectin me for missing the lynch, that's probably the "correct" take. my only excuse is I thought I had a few more hours to catch up and i was busy all week. but it makes it harder for me to get a sense of the other players.

will probably try to read / interact a little more but i still want to lynch black ranger

[Titus]

I kinda wanna to manatee, fenraiser, or black ranger today. I'd compromise on Puppy.

[Black Ranger]

shrug

I struggle to see Umlaut as anything besides scum.

One thing for him may be that Drew insisted he slipped much like Norwegian, and a lot earlier too:

I contributed because I didn't want to be Boring McBuzzkill and figured I could give it benefit of the doubt until it actually did turn out to be a problem.

@Drew

I guess you're reading this as follows:

I figured at that time, "I can give it benefit of the doubt." Then, when it turned out to be a problem, I stopped figuring that.

But actually what I meant is more like:

I figured at that time, "I can give it benefit of the doubt until it turns out to be a problem."

This really pings me. I feel like you've slipped and are backtracking.

And Umlaut has one good response:

Then either you deny that the latter is a legitimate parse of 149, or you admit it's a legitimate parse but you think you couldn't have chosen the wrong parse of an ambiguous sentence. Which is it?

It's a bizarre SvS to write but I still feel like the subject matter isn't anything definitive (something you could actually push a slot for) which is what adds to my suspicion.

[fwogcarf]

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

What makes you think this Cakez?

Because if a wolf (or SK) who didn't want to engage with the thread wanted an easy kill, I think the first choices would have been bob, titus, and osuka.

Fen did you townread bob and/or osuka?

[Umlaut]

Honestly, real-life obligations or no, I think we kind of have to lynch Wake if he doesn't start playing the game.

[Black Ranger]

I think Manatee is a scum PR. Otherwise, why wouldn't people get on to end the day with a Manatee lynch?

Manatee and BR are where I want to look.

You're getting paranoid from Drew's eod. Nothing that he said by the end of day can be considered legit. If he says Manatee is town, it's because he's fucking with us. If he says Nahdia is scum, well, I'm not basing it on anything he said at the eod either.

Him being the counterwagon to scum is not enough alone. Look at context.

It was an EoD wagon and folks refused to vote Manatee. There's two likely possibilities.

One, town refused to vote town.

Two, scum decided a town wagon wouldn't take and bussed their weaker partner.

These wagons were the same sans Cakez. Lynching votes were Fen (Umlaut) and Norwegian (Cakez). Unrelated but if it saves somebody the effort: Fwog is still on Cakez at eod but is not present in the count due to mod error.

[Black Ranger]

Black Ranger could you please explain why you cast the initial vote for Drew but weren't on it when he was hammered?

Because I was interacting with people in real time and didn't want to show where I was on the matter. I briefly thought Drew was townie during "osuka thinks you're scumslipping" but he didn't bother to talk to me about his Nahdia read. I should have voted him there before I left I guess, but I was milking it for responses and thought a speedlynch was more likely over no lynch so I literally did not lose sleep over it.

[Black Ranger]

Umlaut: how pure is this wagon?

ManateeDude (6) -

bob3141

, Umlaut,

Titus

, Nahdia, SirCakez,

osuka

[L-2]

[CantHateAPuppy]

Umlaut: how pure is this wagon?

ManateeDude (6) -

bob3141

, Umlaut,

Titus

, Nahdia, SirCakez,

osuka

[L-2]

hm this is actually a good question. if i had to gick one scum on this wagon i'd guess nahdia, only becuase i had mild townreads on umlaut and cakez

[Black Ranger]

My mistake with the exclusion of cakes it was manateewagon+3. Manatee was another lynch vote, of course because he wasn't voting himself. He was a Cakez voter.

[Black Ranger]

Umlaut: how pure is this wagon?

ManateeDude (6) -

bob3141

, Umlaut,

Titus

, Nahdia, SirCakez,

osuka

[L-2]

hm this is actually a good question. if i had to gick one scum on this wagon i'd guess nahdia, only becuase i had mild townreads on umlaut and cakez

Last time you gave a read on Cakez it was that he was null, but you still voted him all the way to end of day. Explain your read please.

[CantHateAPuppy]

i changed my mind between yesterday and today /shrug

[Umlaut]

Umlaut: how pure is this wagon?

ManateeDude (6) -

bob3141

, Umlaut,

Titus

, Nahdia, SirCakez,

osuka

[L-2]

Just saw this as I was in the middle of making some colored-in votecounts myself. I'm trying to figure out just that. Probably should just reread Nahdia and SirCakez specifically; I never thought the pushes on Cakez were very good but that doesn't make him town.

I still think the way Drew positioned himself with regard to the wagon is more like how I imagine scum wanting to position themselves with regard to a town wagon, setting up to "reluctantly" put his vote there. So probably Manatee isn't group scum.

[Black Ranger]

What posts convinced you of this?

[Black Ranger]

Above is to Puppy, somehow didn't get prompted for pre post.

[Black Ranger]

Umlaut: how pure is this wagon?

ManateeDude (6) -

bob3141

, Umlaut,

Titus

, Nahdia, SirCakez,

osuka

[L-2]

Just saw this as I was in the middle of making some colored-in votecounts myself. I'm trying to figure out just that. Probably should just reread Nahdia and SirCakez specifically; I never thought the pushes on Cakez were very good but that doesn't make him town.

I still think the way Drew positioned himself with regard to the wagon is more like how I imagine scum wanting to position themselves with regard to a town wagon, setting up to "reluctantly" put his vote there. So probably Manatee isn't group scum.

I feel like the purity of the wagon is necessary for your argument against me. I'm glad that we agree on one additional voter (Manatee) but I also feel like Norwegian and Fen are town at this stage. My questions of the validity of this bloc is squarely within your own and the other two slots from the original Manatee wagon.

Of course, there's an easier way to make an argument for me as scum. Rather than solve everyone else as town you could just talk about my content instead.

[CantHateAPuppy]

What posts convinced you of this?

Above is to Puppy, somehow didn't get prompted for pre post.

not any specific posts, it's more about the wagon movements. i had cakez as null yesterday and voted for that reason.

actually, looking back at some more posts, maybe cakez was pretty distanced from drew, maybe i was too quick to dismiss here.

i was going to say that i think scum has to be on the drew wagon and nahdia's hammer would have been a good place for scum to draw on. maybe cakes is still null

still have umlaut as town though

[Black Ranger]

How fakeable is Cakez' content?