Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

[fwogcarf]

Cakez wagon looks spicy but not spicy enough

[fwogcarf]

Poggers i got the 1000th post

[Black Ranger]

Black Ranger's umlaut push reads like someone decided who they were gonna push first and then made a case later. i think point 6 in 862 is telling, lol.

This is clearly a tongue in cheek comment that I made. I went ALL over why Umlaut's case against me sucked and have been beating that drum all day. How he phrased his initial reason of suspecting me (the word choice of "someone" didn't bus) to how he presented my end of day content to who a bus vote would be to an analysis of the purity of the Drew wagon. You don't get to reduce my already humorous reduction as something you can both laugh at

and

speak out against. Either you find it funny, because you GET the humor, or you don't and you want to speak out about it. If you do both, you're producing fake content.

This isn't the first time you've criticized it. You immediately followed up my 862 with:

lot of OMGUSing in this thread, it feels like.

VOTE: Nahdia

You've been sniping around on the sidelines all game. Get serious.

Not Nahdia. She could have lurked out the deadline IMO.

Can a scum!nahdia really not hammer when I'm off the wagon and stating that I will be back in a few hours?

[Black Ranger]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

basically OMGUS

You gave your opinions on his other votes, but his push on you day 1 was basically his baby. Can this really be OMGUS, and how do you feel about how you reached L-4 yesterday?

If Norwegian is scum to you, does this make Umlaut town?

[Black Ranger]

On second thought, i'd like a wagon on Cakez a lot more considering Umlaut did vote Drew early, and basic logic suggests there isn't much reason for Drew's scum buddy to put the spotlight on him early when Manatee still seemed like a viable wagon close to deadline.
Black Ranger. You should change vote to Cakez too.

Cakez' stumbling into day gave me some reservations about him especially with how I'm narrowing who a bus vote could have been, but a reason not to vote Umlaut isn't a reason to vote Cakez, it's a reason not to vote Umlaut and it's just good play to find a reason to vote somebody else.

I'm more interested in slots like Puppy, who has terrible consistency on Cakez' slot, wants to sort him but when prompted with how he will do that, says that he will think really hard about it. I was hoping he'd pick a fight with Cakez, but he didn't, and will never get towncred for doing it now, but I guess he could redeem himself if he somehow helped lynched scum, maybe.

I also disliked this:

the arguement that im scumbuddies with Drew is bizarre honestly. on top of the fact that I was in a way worse place and mafia neopolitan is a fairly strong role especially in a (near) mini so it seems unlikely a stronger mafia role exists. why would I bus drew like that at EoD?? I was in a substantially worse place then him and lynching me if I was scum is always a better scenario bc I have next to no associations

What reads do you feel most confident in right now?

Cakez as scum and Fwog & Fen as town

I noticed that Manatee was happy to talk a lot about his own slot but hasn't contributed to the day (his other two posts is 1. responding to nahdia's accusation against him and 2. what a neapolitan is). I wanted better content out of him. When asked for content, he gives three names and no reasons. A one liner when he is able to string together multiple sentences to explain why he isn't a bus vote in response to Titus.

Why would I vote Cakez over these slots?

[Black Ranger]

I feel like there's too much tolerance for underperformance in this game. The lynch is a destination. How we get there is more important than lynching scum. Investment is how we'll color slots versus rolling some weighted dice.

I don't want to hold people to some great standard of "must case everything that you make impact with" or "must have a strong opinion" but you should be able to find some way to help the town. If that's your wincon at least.

[Black Ranger]

On 2nd look, Drew being uncomfortable with meta kinda makes it seem like he might have been trying to overcompensate to look like town. Like, he could have been so focused on Manatee possibly being town for towncred (and emphasizing that Mana would be a poor mislynch which could be an unintentional scum!tmi at Mana!town) and never really considered he'd be put up to vote (his wagon was a surprise tbh). Drew's Norwee vote piggybacking on Umlaut could mean that what Drew might have been going for was stopping any wagons from consolidating by sowing a fuck ton of chaos by scumreading and scum pinging multiple people with not much care to actually lynch someone but just self-preserve. A Drew bus from Manatee isn't optimal even if Manatee was a strongman if you look at this from a late game perspective. If Manatee is town, he should have kept his mouth shut but he didn't.

Drew's eod opinion on Manatee is worthless. I'd like whoever said something like "Titus made it a safe vote so scum could position themselves to reluctantly vote there" to raise their hand because that's immediately what comes to mind for me. This isn't a newbie game where scum TMI at the end of day between two dominant wagons at deadline. If scum TMI here it will be more subtle than that. Whatever Drew said about Manatee/Norwegian/Nahdia at the end of day must be assumed as WIFOM. If you think you have something look for some other data point to support it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cakez wagon looks spicy but not spicy enough

What is this supposed to mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwee

Could you explain your Cakez reads progression? Walk me through again because I'm mostly seeing your early posts on Cakez and my impression is that you didn't like Cakez posts more than you thought Cakez's posts came from scum.

Progression is that i thought Cakez initial push on BR was scummy, and then their reaction to my push and subsequent wagon interactions in regards to Drew are also scummy. I don't understand your second part. Can you explain it in more detail?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would I vote Cakez over these slots?

Because Cakez is more likely to be mafia than aforementioned slots. Manatee i don't want to consider today, don't see why his actions would be particularly scum indicative. In regards to the puppy, we can most likely lynch him unlike what his name would suggest. But i feel less confident there than Cakez.

I'm more interested in slots like Puppy, who has terrible consistency on Cakez' slot, wants to sort him but when prompted with how he will do that, says that he will think really hard about it. I was hoping he'd pick a fight with Cakez, but he didn't, and will never get towncred for doing it now, but I guess he could redeem himself if he somehow helped lynched scum, maybe.

You also make it appear as if Cakez flip would make Puppy's alignment more clear to you. Assuming i am understanding you correctly, may you expand on this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

To explain my read on Manatee more. I feel like scum!him would have more of an agenda behind his posting, but his tone seems genuine to me. I also successfully townread him in another large earlier where vig shot him N1 and he flipped town. (Large 227 for reference.)

[SirCakez]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

basically OMGUS

You gave your opinions on his other votes, but his push on you day 1 was basically his baby. Can this really be OMGUS, and how do you feel about how you reached L-4 yesterday?

If Norwegian is scum to you, does this make Umlaut town?

I don't think his overall push is OMGUS - rather I found that specific post to be. I kinda talked about it already, it's not exactly OMGUS but I don't know what else to call it.
Not necessarily. I haven't seen any interactions between them that preclude SvS.

[SirCakez]

my Nahdia townread has really died down since D1. She hasn't pulled together like I thought she would.
Reminded to say that with BR's vote

[ManateeDude]

Takes 6 to lynch.

@Manatee
Any reason you're not voting your scumread?

VOTE: Cakez

laziness

[Nahdia]

Black Ranger's umlaut push reads like someone decided who they were gonna push first and then made a case later. i think point 6 in 862 is telling, lol.

This is clearly a tongue in cheek comment that I made. I went ALL over why Umlaut's case against me sucked and have been beating that drum all day. How he phrased his initial reason of suspecting me (the word choice of "someone" didn't bus) to how he presented my end of day content to who a bus vote would be to an analysis of the purity of the Drew wagon. You don't get to reduce my already humorous reduction as something you can both laugh at

and

speak out against. Either you find it funny, because you GET the humor, or you don't and you want to speak out about it. If you do both, you're producing fake content.

This isn't the first time you've criticized it. You immediately followed up my 862 with:

lot of OMGUSing in this thread, it feels like.

VOTE: Nahdia

You've been sniping around on the sidelines all game. Get serious.

ok this post is all kinds of goofy. your point 6 can be both a joke

and

telling. i wasnt trying to paint it as a super serious point you made, but i do think you come across as being very concerned with how people are reading you. hence it being telling.

i dont really see what's meant by im "sniping from the sidelines". ive given my reads, ive voted who i think are scum. sorry im not willing to put in the absolute maximum effort, but i just don't have that in me as a player anymore these days.

[ManateeDude]

I've already kind of iterated my thoughts on my reads so like if a re-explanation is needed just ask me but its all there

[Nahdia]

Cakez wagon looks spicy but not spicy enough

wanna elaborate on what this means?

[Umlaut]

Takes 6 to lynch.

@Manatee
Any reason you're not voting your scumread?

VOTE: Cakez

laziness

I realize the position of Moon Logic Dispenser has already been filled in this game, but I really want to call this a town post.

[Nahdia]

Black Ranger is there a reason why you seem so certain someone was bussing drew? i dont see why it cant have been all town

[NorwegianboyEE]

All town? 8 people? Yeah, no.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Off-wagon were Black Ranger, SirCakes and CantLynchAPuppy for reference.

[Nahdia]

why not? it was a last minute wagon on a powerful scum role.

Off-wagon were Black Ranger, SirCakes and CantLynchAPuppy for reference.

and wake and fwog.

[Nahdia]

im not saying there defo wasn't any scum. it just pings me to see people working under the assumption that there was definitely 100% scum there. as if they know that for a fact.

[Wake1]

Who were the main detractors from the wagon on Drew-Sta?

[Umlaut]

@Wake

:

Yeah.

We're running out of time and these wagons need to be consolidated.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious

Vote drew please

Reason?

I don't want this lynch but I would still do it, if the alternative is you, manatee or no lynch, what would do you, drew?

These are the only posts I could really regard as declining to join the wagon. Nahdia's 824 also seemed not too psyched about the wagon but they did join it after all. None of CantLynchAPuppy, SirCakez, or fwogcarf posted at all yesterday after the Drew wagon appeared.