Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

[fwogcarf]

Luciano's probably town, they feel different from the newbie game i played with them

Cakez trying harder when Luciano got back into the game though is a little strange

I'm fine with Nahdia or Fen today, but if I have to CFD someone Umlaut or Cakez would be fine

[SirCakez]

He's engaging me which is why it looks like I'm "trying harder"
It's easier to post stuff when other people are posting

[SirCakez]

I'm not pushing anyone toward any conclusion. I'm pushing people to produce content that will help me understand their thought processes.

Re: Umlaut, I felt that Drew's read progression on Umlaut was odd. I wasn't sure if it felt off because he was taking reads on town or on a scumbuddy, but it definitely struck me as strongly AI. With Umlaut's role on the Drew lynch + the way that Drew/Umlaut's votes don't make sense together as mafia, I've ruled out Umlaut as mafia. That means when looking at how mafia interpreted wagon trajectories they assumed Umlaut was town, even if he turns out to be SK. I'm not married to the SK read either, he could be town. I am married to the not-mafia read though.

Pedit: Cool. Do wagon analysis then, or something productive. You have turned into a lurker who instantly appeared for the Cakez wagon, made an excuse not to produce content while playing elsewhere on site, and then instantly reappeared when called out on it only to make another excuse for not producing content.

I mean I've said that yeah BR didn't look great around Drew yesterday but his content today redeems him. Not sure what else you want from me.

Consider that Norwegian's lack of content and motivation is scum induced.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You seemed to be fine voting Wake wagon with me earlier Cakez. Now you’re back to shading me.

[LuckyLuciano]

Having trouble sleeping (what else is new). Noticed that Norwegian had the most recent post in the forum and was surprised to see it's not here. I'm less willing to give them leeway for being mentally tired when I look at their onsite activity since they have made that post.

I hate to argue meta because it becomes a war of speculation.

Can I ask what makes you feel that the only way to engage right now is to talk about meta? I feel that there's a distinct lack of meta in the points I've introduced. I only really mentioned that meta slightly points me to fwog being town and that Cakez hasn't fit how I've seen him play as town very well this game. You voted for Cakez so that part cannot possibly be an issue for you. Help me understand why it feels like you are content watching the game without actively participating right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because the other game i’m playing is more fun to read than this one.

[LuckyLuciano]

You seemed to be fine voting Wake wagon with me earlier Cakez. Now you’re back to shading me.

It's crazy how you are 3/3 on popping in exactly when it's relevant for you to do so yet you don't stick around to actually play the game if you aren't meantime or a flash wagon isn't happening.

[LuckyLuciano]

Did you lie when you said you were mentally tired earlier?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No. I just hate reading walls of text when i’ve just been standing guard at the museum chatting to tourists for 6 hours.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Discussing my activity levels in ongoing games to such an extent is probably going to break the rules if you keep harping on that point. I also think it’s really dumb because my interest in a game isn’t purely AI, it depends on playerlist and what kind of content is being produced as well.

[LuckyLuciano]

I'm allowed to talk about your activity levels, just not the substance of your posts. Why are you giving me so many reasons why you won't play this game instead of just playing this game? If you aren't enjoying this game, why are you playing it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

[LuckyLuciano]

What can I do to help reignite your interest in this game? What sort of comment do you find interest in interacting with?

[fwogcarf]

He's engaging me which is why it looks like I'm "trying harder"
It's easier to post stuff when other people are posting

Fair enough

[fwogcarf]

Now I understand why Norwegian wanted day 1 to end earlier than usual

[fwogcarf]

Having trouble sleeping (what else is new). Noticed that Norwegian had the most recent post in the forum and was surprised to see it's not here. I'm less willing to give them leeway for being mentally tired when I look at their onsite activity since they have made that post.

I hate to argue meta because it becomes a war of speculation.

Can I ask what makes you feel that the only way to engage right now is to talk about meta? I feel that there's a distinct lack of meta in the points I've introduced. I only really mentioned that meta slightly points me to fwog being town and that Cakez hasn't fit how I've seen him play as town very well this game. You voted for Cakez so that part cannot possibly be an issue for you. Help me understand why it feels like you are content watching the game without actively participating right now.

Meta reads aren't the most trustworthy thing in the world because I've had experience with players making sure they can't be meta read.
1. Their tone is the exact same from both alignments
2. Passion for a game gets people townread most of the time (and about half of the time those people are wolves)
3. I know a person who changes their meta every game to make them basically unreadable.

So while it's ok to compare games between people, I'm just saying sometimes it doesn't work

[LuckyLuciano]

@fwog re: Norwegian, care to share?

re: Meta, you aren't arguing that you are scum or that Cakez is town, so what's the point of that post?

[SirCakez]

You seemed to be fine voting Wake wagon with me earlier Cakez. Now you’re back to shading me.

I'm not shading you I'm just calling you scum
I bailed on Wake wagon because it seems like something else might actually happen

[ManateeDude]

I'm here for a few hours but I will admit I feel really detached from the gamestate.. if anyone has any questions for me feel free to ask because rn I'll admit im feeling lost

im seeing town in Lucky, fwog and norwee rn and my opinion on fen since my last post has been altered in that I dont townread him as strongly.

still think cakez flips scum here based on things I've said before alongside some VCA. Im near certain there was scum on my wagon near its climax and everyone but Nahdia and Cakez has flipped/is clear and im willing to put some trust in Nahdia and get rid of Cakez.

[Umlaut]

Have to say I agree with what seems to be the consensus that Lucky's play today is towny. (I reserve the right to get wildly paranoid about him in the late game if we're both still around but hopefully by then we'll have more associative evidence to go on.)

[LuckyLuciano]

What can I do to help reignite your interest in this game? What sort of comment do you find interest in interacting with?

I'm going to extend this to everyone, not just Norwegian. Everyone should tell me what sort of content they are most interested in engaging with in a mafia game. I'll do what I can to provide angles that interest everyone. There's a severe lack of effort from the playerlist as a whole right now and it's giving me nothing to work with.

[LuckyLuciano]

my opinion on fen since my last post has been altered in that I dont townread him as strongly.

Talk to me about this. What in particular has caused your opinion to change?

[LuckyLuciano]

I bailed on Wake wagon because it seems like something else might actually happen

The alternate wagon to Wake has been you. I know you want Norwegian. I don't know if I'm voting going there at the moment. I will reread your posts on Norwegian in a few hours. In the meantime, who do you think is most likely to be scum outside of Norwegian?

[LuckyLuciano]

Umlaut, can I get a full reads list from you? I see you trying to consolidate wagons a lot, but I don't see you putting forth original ideas today.

[LuckyLuciano]

@Black Ranger, you haven't really been around much lately. The only chance I've had to interact with you since finishing my catchup is 1183 and 1184. In 1138 you questioned Nahdia's scumread on you. They have since returned and interacted with me but did not respond to your post. Can you give detail on how you view Nahdia's scumread of you? Do you think it's town motivated or scum motivated?

@Nahdia, can you go more into detail on your Ranger scumread? Do you still scumread Manatee? You asked for the case on Fenraiser in 1085 and said you have them as town. Can I ask you the reverse, can you towncase Fenraiser for me?