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[springlullaby]

I happen to think you're scum with Dunn and midway. All three of you rejected the quiz because none of you were on it.

It's no surprise that you're in favor of lynching me.

You also didn't answer about your reads on Dunn and midway.

That is straight bullshit: I specifically said why I rejected the quiz team, and said that I'm ok with any team with beeboy and unwnd on it.
So you're saying that I'm lying about that as scum, when it's so easily falsifiable.

Lol.

[springlullaby]

Titus's case on me:

Spring is scum because water+rocks=bananas.

Me: ahem, what?

Titus: water+rock+bananas=cheetos.

I already responded. Read the thread.

[springlullaby]

And yes, my theory supports this is misleading. Beeboy claims that he must automatically fail. Putting him on a quiz means you don't have to insist on partners.

Yeah ok, you are just throwing bullshit around.
You made a two pages case on me with quote, but yet you fail to mention when I said beeboy+unwnd, if unwnd target beeboy is improvement on town odds. 1/2 and 1/2 again.

According to you I as scum am insisting beeboy be on the quiz so that town fail.
But it only works if you think unwnd is lying and not town.
Yet unwnd is not in your scumlist.


That so many level of terrible, scum must be panicking in their qt.
Just so people understand: Titus is an adult, they are not bad at logic.
This is just bullshit.

[springlullaby]

BTW, the other charitable (non scum) motivation I could suppose out of ABR's play was that he was raising hell to see who was going to land in the net of terrible reasoning.
But his subsequent play during that whole day was chaotic and his reads don't align with mine in case it was what he was doing.

[springlullaby]

Just ask who approves of: you+beeboy+x+y

Then select 2 people you think are the likeliest town.
Making town fail past the second team on the ground that no consensus can be reached on the members is scum motivated.

Because the quiz auto fail, and a power up goes to scum.

[springlullaby]

@mod what is the deadline.

[springlullaby]

OK. SO now that the quiz has been denied we can have three options.

1) A quiz team of 4 from the chainless
2) A quiz team of 2 who are chained, and 2 who are not.
3) Run back 2 of the same people from the last quiz, along with 2 new ones.

Me personally, I don't want to run back the same people if that's not evident. This makes Dunn and Spring not eligible for the first option. For option 1, I assume most people would agree with Me, Beeboy, xx, xx. For the second option, those eligible would be Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear and Titus. The problem with the second option is that two of those players were already denied, so I doubt that anyone would agree to option number 2. Option 3 is feasible, but I will only agree to the terms based on consensus.

I'll make this simple. Any chain without Spring, Dunn, or midway is an approval from me. I want to test my theory. I would prefer not NDMath because of their lack of presence, but I would approve that anyway.

If you and Beeboy go, the you/beeboy interaction gets tested. So I'm ok with that. However, I would explicitly vote down any chain with beeboy and Spring, Dunn or midway. A failure there would create too much division and allow an easy mislynch on beeboy if town.

Any chain with just one without beeboy, I would wait and see. If it wouldn't be too damaging to the game, I would be inclined to reject it. There's no guarantee that the spring/dunn/midway would be lynched the next day.

Titus, confirm right now that you will accept any quiz team when the 3rd iteration comes around.

[springlullaby]

@farside, why do you think I'm scum again?

[springlullaby]

Such as?

[springlullaby]

Just ask who approves of: you+beeboy+x+y

Then select 2 people you think are the likeliest town.
Making town fail past the second team on the ground that no consensus can be reached on the members is scum motivated.

Because the quiz auto fail, and a power up goes to scum.

I do not approve of Beeboy. I forgot to add him to my list of no.

Why do you not approve of beeboy?

@unwnd, this is your only chance of being chain leader though, and pretty much your only guaranteed chance of having beeboy+unwnd on the team. So why don't you want beeboy on that team? If you are town and believe beeboy is town, it reduces PoE chances to 1/2 which is the best chance you'll ever get, and beats town natural chances.

Why am I the only one seeing this?

[springlullaby]

I'm very confident this team passes. And if it doesn't I trust our PoE to figure out who scum is between the 4 of us

1/4 is worse than 1/2 ???

[springlullaby]

@raya, you think beeboy is town and unwnd is town, so why are you against beeboy+unwnd+x+y?

[springlullaby]

@raya, you think beeboy is town and unwnd is town, so why are you against beeboy+unwnd+x+y?

Ok acceptable.

[springlullaby]

^ok acceptable.

@unwnd: post your team in bold.

[springlullaby]

^Read the thread.

[springlullaby]

I missed the bold.

I think there is at least 1 scum on that qt and it's going to fail.

Actually, I just don't want Starbuck on it.

/deny

[springlullaby]

I can see both of your dispositions. The quiz failed last time so it's not exactly wise for you to approve of it. It's just due retribution. Why not let things play out if you are so against it? I just feel like if I nominated either of you even if there was Starbuck/Raya on it, you would still agree.

Not true for me. I'm ok-ish with Raya atm. But not with Starbuck, and not really with farside either.
> Starbuck: I already stated why.
> Farside: I don't really like how she's seemed so slow to understand the setup. Than so outright against figuring it out.

If we all agree and decide that we should PoE from the first QT, supposing that scum failed it, I'd be ok with that then I'd approve of the team.
But since it's not the case, I'm just denying whatever team I think has scum on it.

[springlullaby]

The people I'm ok to lynch atm: Titus, midway, Starbuck - NDmath is unreadable so I'm ok to lynch too.

I'm kinda wary of pocketing from PB.

[springlullaby]

What if it doesnt fail lol

I'm hard reading Dunn as town atm, because his thinking aligns with mine.
If it doesn't fail, I don't want people to think it was an all town team.

[springlullaby]

I never was against figuring it out.

Yet, you read me as scummy when I put in the work today.

[springlullaby]

Im sensing fear amoung scum here.
If everyone recalls spring had the idea that if scum even allowed the quiz to go through it confirms a town member now she is worried about being framed for it.
I think no one ahould or would instanta town read the group suggested.
Saying that is a fallacy.

This is a good point to keep in mind

Ahem what?
These two propositions are not contradictory?
They don't even connect logically?

If scum allow the quiz to go through, good that confirms one town member.
If scum fail the quiz, I refuse to be framed for that voting that team in.


> Do people see the problem I have with farside now?

[springlullaby]

Molehill you turn into a mountain.

What molehill did I turn into a mountain?

[springlullaby]

Farside, you are the one not making sense.
How am I scummy for not wanting to vote scum into the QT?
How does that even connect with scum failing or passing the quiz?

The only thing you said was when I asked Starbuck on why she thought it'd be fun to have her as a leader.
I explained why I asked that already, to gauge who'd she think she'd surprise (whom I suppose are who she thinks are scum).

[springlullaby]

Spoiler:

OK, stop. HAVE YOU READ THAT DENYING THE QUIZ TEAM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADVANTAGE FOR SCUM?

OK, stop. HAVE YOU READ THAT DENYING THE QUIZ TEAM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADVANTAGE FOR SCUM?

I dont give a single fuck about that! My scumhunting is so good i need a handicap!

Ok, you are scum.

OK, stop. HAVE YOU READ THAT DENYING THE QUIZ TEAM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADVANTAGE FOR SCUM?

Can you ask if denying 3 times is an advantage for scum?
Instead of just once.

I think it's 3 denies. But just passing the team is the straight way to do it. I want no wiggle room for scum to automatically gain an advantage, instead of being forced to at least PoE if they want to fail the quiz.

Agree/Disagree?

Alright, that's my question answered.

So as you know, I'm the chainleader, and I'm also responsible of nominating a quiz team.

Here what I know about the team:

1) The quiz team size for tonight is 5 players.
2) All players on the quiz team get to pass or fail the quiz, by PM to the mod.
3) If the quiz is passed, town gain a unspecified advantage.
4) If the quiz is failed, scum gain a unspecified advantage.
5) All quiz team member must pass the quiz, for the quiz to be passed.
6) If no quiz team can be formed, scum gain an unspecified advantage.

> Given the above, there is zero advantage in veto-ing the quiz team since:
a) scum automatically gain an advantage anyway
b) quiz team failing or passing the quiz serves as PoE.

A) Quiz team members have the additional task of selecting the next chain leader by vote.
B) The next chain leader can be selected outside of the quiz team.

> Given all of the above, I'd like to take care of forming the quiz team first.

NOMINATE QUIZ TEAM:

1. Springlullaby
2. farside
3. Starbuck
4. Raya
5. Dunnstral

> Also, I will personally vote to nominate beeboy as the next chain leader.

Please vote to approve the quiz team.

This is all spring day 1 on her reasons and thought for the quiz.
She is now against it.
If she thinks scum is on it wouldn't it benefit her read on sb or me or raya or anyone she suspects? So why is she against it.

Do you even read the thread? Or are you just trying to find angles to attack me?

I explicitly said if there was consensus on PoE, i'd approve of the team straight away.
BUT since there seems there isn't, I'm not getting framed for voting in scum.

[springlullaby]

I can see both of your dispositions. The quiz failed last time so it's not exactly wise for you to approve of it. It's just due retribution. Why not let things play out if you are so against it? I just feel like if I nominated either of you even if there was Starbuck/Raya on it, you would still agree.

Not true for me. I'm ok-ish with Raya atm. But not with Starbuck, and not really with farside either.
> Starbuck: I already stated why.
> Farside: I don't really like how she's seemed so slow to understand the setup. Than so outright against figuring it out.

If we all agree and decide that we should PoE from the first QT, supposing that scum failed it, I'd be ok with that then I'd approve of the team.
But since it's not the case, I'm just denying whatever team I think has scum on it

.

@farside who is now straight stating untruth.

[springlullaby]

You haven't voted for ANY of the quiz teams so far, so it doesn't matter.

Irrevelant.

ALL of them.

Well, since you can all caps ALL, you may want to specify all occurences.

Because you're wrong and if you're really town, your scumdar needs calibration.

Well, if you are town, you aren't doing a good job of it.

Yeah, she's completely done a 180. Also, spring's deny means that she abstained from the Quiz Team vote on Day 1 and denied the Quiz Team twice today. This is odd when she specifically said yesterday that town has no reason not to approve quiz teams.

False and irrelevant.

I also think it's odd that she keeps pushing for my lynch when I have the chain.

I don't care whether you have the chain or not, I just state my reads. How is that even scummy may I ask?
Are you really that over the top OMGUS?

[springlullaby]

I explicitly said if there was consensus on PoE, i'd approve of the team straight away.
BUT since there seems there isn't, I'm not getting framed for voting in scum.

You'd only be "framed" if the team would actually pass the quiz, which you seem to know they would.

You also stated when this quiz gets voted down.

The simplest explanation is that you're scrambling for a defense, preemptively.

...No, I'm defending myself from the QT failing, and people framing me for voting in scum

What the fuck.

[springlullaby]

If scum allow the quiz to go through, good that confirms one town member.
If scum fail the quiz, I refuse to be framed for that voting that team in.

ABR + Farside = scum ----->Starbuck the blind donkey?

Starbuck is so over the top OMGUS, "they are coming for me" blablabla it may be paranoia.

[springlullaby]

I retract the paranoia thing: I think it's farce.

[springlullaby]

Who said they were framing you for voting scum into the team?

All I said is that you stated day 1 it was a good way to scum hunt and that it give POE. I also just said that if you think sb, me or raya are scum and it fails that would make it seem like you were cleared.
Why did you avoid that altogether?

I preventing that framing from coming into existence?

I don't care being cleared? I rather see the quiz pass?
Especially since we don't even get PoE in case of fail?
How is that even a town line of questioning.

[springlullaby]

No, but I figured you would be pushing for the next person down on your scum list since I can't be lynched today. I do believe that you can multitask. Still hold me as your top scum read and push for your secondary.

Absolutely false, scum.

[springlullaby]

It's not irrelevant. You can't sit there as chain leader on Day 1 and be all "there's no reason for town not to vote for the quizzes" and not vote for them yourself.

Did my team pass? How is my voting for it or not relevant? Scum.

[springlullaby]

Literally every time you talk to me. Everything is blown up like the damn Hiroshima bomb. From the Quiz PT last night to any interaction today. You are over the top and overreacting and freaking out.

And yet you can specify a single occurrence. Scum.

[springlullaby]

Am I crazy to think that spring seems to be weird for thinking she looks scummy for suggesting a team that may have had scum on it?
No one even suggested that today.

EBWOF: Okay so SL is preemptively saying something not in facts and changing her views 180 degrees from day 1.
Good to know.

Lol. Just repeating something won't make it true.

Last time:

> I did not change my view.
> Not everyone agreed with the PoE. Read the thread.
> I therefore am simply preventing scum onto the quiz.

[springlullaby]

Why are you so hell bent on being in the quiz all three of you btw?

[springlullaby]

I'm now 100% against that team because even if there is town in it is bad town.

[springlullaby]

Yeah true. I'm just annoyed at the bullshit.
I think there is scum on it too though.

[springlullaby]

Titus, why am I scum again?

[springlullaby]

In any case

1 - you overreacting about me thinking being revealed as chain leader was entertaining
2 - you accusing me of ad hom every time you talk to me
3 - being on the hyperdefensive nearly every time I've put anything towards you since the Quiz PT last night (not to mention the way you've been speaking to our other players)
4 - stating I'm toxic because I'm replying to you in a game where we fake kill people
5 - your overuse of AtE for those last 3
6 - freaking out about being framed if you approve any of today's quiz teams
7 - spiraling down rabbit holes rather than working out a plan with the rest of us that might work

I could go on, but I have other stuff to read besides the same lazy and overreactive case that you think you have on me.

1. Sircakez (lynched) and ABR (consensus scumread) were the ones people calling you scum. I asked you why you'd think you being chainleader would be entertaining. And to whom.
2. I warned you to stop ad hom when you specifically said I was "doom and gloom" and whatever else.
3. I've not been on hyperdefensive. I speak normally to everyone and I'm a lot more polite than you.
4. You were the one who said I was toxic. I never said that of you. I think you are childish, if anything. But more likely that you are scum.
5. I don't think you know what AtE means.
6. Strawman and exageration. I never "freaked out". I laid all reasoning for my choices.
7. Not true and strawman.

These is just made up bullshit.

ABR+Starbuck scum.

[springlullaby]

Spring I firmly believe Starbuck rolled town this game and you are wasting your time right now.
I don't think this 1v1 is doing you any favors until much later into the game if you 2 are still left alive.

Our thread lacks clear focus right now because of the incredibly aggressive 1v1s that keep forming every single day phase (unwnd/TSE and now you/starbuck)

Please just step back so we can win this game and catch the other 2 scum if I am wrong?
Yes Yes

Starbuck is not town, the amount of exaggeration, falsehood and bad faith is scum.
They aren't that bad as a player. I've done irrational townie as scum many many time.

[springlullaby]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of non LAL crew. Just LAL, it's better than non LAL.

[springlullaby]

@Raya, what made you change your ABR scum read?

[springlullaby]

Deny Team

I am 70% sure it is going to fail tonight without tampering.

The quiz is already locked in approval.

This makes me want to double down...my three scumreads all vote to deny the team.

TSE, even if you disagree with me on what alignment they are, do you think Spring, Dunn and midway share an alignment?

That's just ridiculous, beyond the WIFOM, why would the scum team unanimously deny a town team anyway?
Do you know something that I don't because I'm working from the assumption, given unwnd's role, that scum can tamper at least once.

If you think all three scum would disapprove of a town team, then you must suppose that they don't have that power today.
So you must think that they used it yesterday.
Which would make yesterday's team all town.

And make two of your scum town. Fail more.

Lynch that scum already.

[springlullaby]

I like this setup, it's like waterslide park for fish-me.

[springlullaby]

> Did the mod inform us of beeboy's role or unwnd's role?
> WIFOM


+ So if the scum team doesn't have that power, then there must be at least one scum on QT1.
The two scum being me and Dunn, according to you. And we, with our scumbuddy midwaybear (whom ABR passed the chain to) are unanimously denying it because it would not expose us to PoE, when we can still use that power anyway? And when the team failing again would "clear" both of us from PoE?

So much bull.

[springlullaby]

Welcome to my world.
Brought to you by the letter S

Can you think of words that start with S?

Shitty, scummy son-of-a-bitches.

Oh right, you mean Starbuck is scum.
Thank you!

[springlullaby]

S

pringlullaby

No it's capitalized.

S

tarbuck.

[springlullaby]

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/jobs ... nted=print

[springlullaby]

Seriously, Starbuck, Farside and Titus. You need to stop. I have been nothing but normally playing the game, and the continued ad hominem is out of place.
Yes, ad hominem is not acceptable. I don't know what you guys' problem is, and I don't want to.

[springlullaby]

Town or scum, I have to say I'm seriously disappointed. I made a basically all female qt pretty much on purpose. For fun.
And the first question I asked in that qt, I was greeted with irrelevant stuff like "us 4 were having a great thing going on (???) when you came in here all "doom and gloom"".
I'm asked why I had/have suspicions of Pink Ball: I make 5 points.
People question me more, I say why I think PB is a manipulative kind of scum player and I get quoted on one of the elements of my thinking.

Then I get stuff which is essentially the translation of "you suck and your self-perception suck".
I took it as scum.
But I'm quite afraid there may be town in there.

So yeah. Stop.

[springlullaby]

...This has nothing to do with anything. You have to be manipulative to play as scum?
Do you disagree?

[springlullaby]

Do people seriously think assessment of potential manipulative-ness when scum is ad hominem? In a game of deceit?

I mean, if you are playing a game of "we are better than you and let's harass people", ok, but that's not what I play.
And you are playing against wincon in the current game too.
I'm just scumhunting and sharing my thoughts.

BTW, I think PB is probably town. And ABR is def scum.

[springlullaby]

Retract that. Pink Ball scummy. I thought maybe he was really confusing the two here, but nah.

[springlullaby]

No one gets to tell me what ad hominem is. If tell you you are out of line, you are out of line.

ABR was a human piece of shit

Yeah, Titus, you have never done ad hominem ever. Below you.


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So, TSE, midway, I want to achieve a Pink Ball/Titus bottom two. Are you up to it?

[springlullaby]

Haha of course

Why of course?

[springlullaby]

Spring don't let them kill Pinkball.
Why are you doing this to me I keep defending you PepeHands.

beeboy, I do play to win. And there are enough players in this game who know that.
Farside in particular being dismissive the way she is of my contribution is highly suspect, because she is in a oldies game so thick in blabla, this one is nothing in comparison.

[springlullaby]

Yeah ok, Farside is misrepresenting. I did back and forth, I'm not longer doing it.

[springlullaby]

@tse, what's up.

[springlullaby]

many have expressed a scum read in mid

Just to be clear, I don't fucking care what "many" thinks. Especially if the reasons suck.
You reads suck, so I'm certainly not following anything you say.

[springlullaby]

^Look at that wall and tell me it's not pure OMGUS + bullshit.
It's been a pattern of hers.

1) My biggest disagreement with her play is how obvious unwnd was town at the end of day 1. The claim really sucked at that point, and there like a flower, she was saying that it was absolutely clear unwnd was town.
2) Look at farside change of heart about ABR, she was all "ABR is scum" when there was zero chance of ABR being lynched, but today she transitioned into Titus must be town for no tangible reason whatsoever.

Anyway, @ TSE, have you read that I want Pink Ball and Titus as bottom 2? Do you have a comment?

[springlullaby]

Personally i haven't requested replacement because of how many pages this game has gone. I really hate tse harassment that continues to get a free pass.

Where did TSE harass anyone?
The way I read it he was pushed by unwnd and he flipped out. What in his actual play do you find fault with?

He's been hanging in the game with no one talking to him, and people have called for policy lynches for both unwnd and TSE when it came to outright insults.

On ABR, your argument on why Titus is not scum is that she is not ABR.
How is that not a clear cut I lynch people I don't like

at best

is beyond me.

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@TSE, you think midwaybear is scum? Don't you think Titus is scum?

[springlullaby]

^Did you miss the memo I want you lynched?

[springlullaby]

Oh you mean when I say something true that you can't deny, you'll just go "I won't interact".

[springlullaby]

@TSE, you think midwaybear is scum? Don't you think Titus is scum?

[springlullaby]

Lol, farside is so scum. That is her quoting herself with Titus agreeing with her as the sole reason the ABR slot isn't a scum slot.


Anyway, I reread midway: no scum there -> when passing the chain he wrote up way too many people he wouldn't be passing the chain to. Scum generally don't do that. I don't think TSE is scum either.

I'm ok with this order: Midway> TSE>PB/Titus

Vote: midwaybear

[springlullaby]

Yeah sure, farscum.

[springlullaby]

So it's just TSE, PB, and Titus left

And I don't even want any of them lynched

Easy, volunteer to be -3. What are you complaining about.

[springlullaby]

TSE these other guys are lamers but if you are killing PB please talk to me about it ok ok?

This one is on me. I want the PB lynch.

[springlullaby]

Reminder:

*clap*

I did not read the rule, and got a pm by the mod asking me to read the rule.
PB and me should have the same pm.

[springlullaby]

^^^Oh my god.

TSE, trust me on this one.

[springlullaby]

This is why everyone is annoyed with you, spring. Use gameplay as your case. This mages you look entirely unsportsmanlike.

In case that wasn't clear the above indicates that Starbuck thinks I'm town.

[springlullaby]

Oh btw, "unsportsmanlike" you need to check yourselves.
ABR quit the game, and unwnd already wrote about how there seemed to be a group of people he was not in the in with.
TSE has been hanging in the game with basically no one talking to him, same for midway.
Because I actually read the game outside of your little circle jerk.

I tried to make a fair first group of people because I saw it coming from miles away. But nah. Lynch people who just play the game.

[springlullaby]

Lol, I make the whole game miserable.
Because you are the whole game.
Pfft.

[springlullaby]

Crass and rude. Check yourself I told you to stop already.

[springlullaby]

Pink Ball, the one telling other players to shut up.
Not once in all my games I've encountered that level of arrogance.
How do I spell projective identification.

[springlullaby]

Yeah sure, because telling someone to "shut up" is the way to deal "toxicity", of which you are judge of.

[springlullaby]

Anyway. I made my point.

[springlullaby]

TSE, pass the chain to Pink Ball. We need a Titus flip not a pink ball flip.

Don't fall for the trap. Just lynch scum: PB.

[springlullaby]

PB: I don't talk to scum.

@TSE: check XP mafia ---> PB self-vote at the end of the day as scum as emotional appeal to appear town. He is doing the same here.

I wanted him there to see how it squirms.

[springlullaby]

Sure.

[springlullaby]

Haha, at the spamming now.

[springlullaby]

PB: I don't talk to scum.

@TSE: check XP mafia ---> PB self-vote at the end of the day as scum as emotional appeal to appear town. He is doing the same here.

I wanted him there to see how it squirms.

[springlullaby]

Pink Ball as scum in XP mafia:

VOTE: Pink Ball

Get me out of this game

[springlullaby]

Lol, and yet PB for all their willingness to be lynched isn't taking their bullet quietly.

[springlullaby]

Wait, no more kill me now. LOL

I'm so awesome.

dance dance dance fairy fairy dance

[springlullaby]

Lol at farside: autovote=autolynch. You and I both know this.

[springlullaby]

Is it time we post irrelevant stuff? K.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxVspwOzBs[/youtube]
I love those guys ^

[springlullaby]

Noooh, I failed my tag.

[springlullaby]

:c

[springlullaby]

I don't think it's going to flip scum. ABR quitting the game as scum is bad form.

[springlullaby]

Town flips doesn't clear anyone.

Scum flip incriminates one of Farside/Starbuck + you.

[springlullaby]

ABR is def scum.

Lol, because town never change their mind. Only scum think like that.

[springlullaby]

Btw, my favorite scumteam right now is:

Pink Ball + Farside + Beeboy

So yeah, TSE, you're getting trunk'd tomorrow.

[springlullaby]

@beeboy, own up to it, did you lie about your confirmation PM?

Because I have a better scumteam right now that doesn't include you.

[springlullaby]

Anyway. I'm pretty much done with my scum-hunting at this point. You guys clearly suck and are not listening to the right people.

2-shot sabotage = a least 1+sabotage.
Unwnd using his pr on that team just makes no bloody sense.

HURT: Farside+Unwnd+Pink Ball

[springlullaby]

^That's my final scumteam btw.

[springlullaby]

that's true. The chain mechanic is scumsided which is why I don't think scum really can tamper with the quiz.

This is A+ town.

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If it needs to be pointed out:

- sabotage cop reveals that scum can tamper with quiz: Raya was reading Unwnd as scum d-1 after his claim.
- the only person who was reading unwnd as scum is actually farside, who pushed that through.
- unwnd was not hanged because of Pink Ball, who chose cakez.

Mic drop, out.

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/deny quiz team

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quiz team: pinkball, unwnd, farside

Lol.

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the only person who was reading unwnd as scum is actually farside

*who wasn't.

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Spring I don't get your theory: If unwnd tampered with the quiz night 1, why is he also scum with farside, who was actually on the quiz? Why wouldn't she have just failed it instead of scum using their resources?

Never opposed any of the ideas above.


1) If unwnd is scum: he lies about his ability:
---> sabotage cop makes more than 1-shot scum quiz tampering balanced.

2) Unwnd didn't have to tamper on N1: farside was there.

> Is that clear?

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Lol, Pink Ball is caught scum, Farside is sorted too. Unwnd is 100% scum too.

@Unwnd, why did you use your one shot that could ensure that if you go into a 2 members quiz team, you could make it a sure pass for town?

@beeboy, again: did you lie about your confirmation PM? I don't have time to type out a whole lesson on the psychology of perception, but I'm pretty sure you did that.

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Read List:

Town:
-beeboy - Not much to say here. Scum doesn't claim NU in post 10 in a game like this where you'd want to try to get put on the quiz team as scum. Wouldn't make any sense. His posting is obvtown too anyway.

-Pink Ball - The reaction test was something from town not scum. Also I read Unwnd as town, if both Unwnd and SirCakez were town then scum!PB would have gotten rid of the claimed PR, not the VT. If PB is scum then that means Unwnd must be scum as well since he wasn't lynched and I find this unlikely since I TR both.

-unwnd - The claim sounds genuine (although could be a scum role but I'm leaning for it being town) and his posting at the end of the game sounds genuine town as well. As was discussed his claim could make sense to be town alongside BeeBoy's role. Trying to keep track of reasons for passing the chain is good too. Also his 1486 is what a townie would say when they are hammered.

-farside22 - Farside comes across as town to me. Mainly it's a gut read but I trust it. Mainly her posting has come across as town and I don't see any agenda from her reads. We have had some similar reads as well. There are a few things she has done like backing of off ABR when he couldnt be lynched instead of tunneling for example that are deserving of light townreads. Her posting comes across as genuine solving. I like her D2 posting and quiz PT posting a lot as well.

-Starbuck - She just comes across as genuine. I don't agree with all her reads but she explains them all and I think she believes them. She seems to be genuine at the start where she talks about the struggle she's having since she hasn't played in a long time. Also she knows almost none of us so that's understandable. Her catch ups seemed good. My main concern with them is that most players can probably agree they skim through long catch ups so it's a good way for scum to say a lot while not saying a lot under the radar. This doesn't seem to be the case with her. She was scumreading SirCakez the whole game. Had Unwnd as low null. I read through and I'm not seeing any agenda here.

-Dunnstral - Scum would likely be quicker to jump on the plan between me and beeboy and him. But he refused. He seemed like he was genuine in trying to understand stuff early game. We had similar reads early game. I think him passing the chain to NDMath to avoid a lynch based on activity comes from town. If they are scumbuddies I don't think he would be so obvious about it. He backed up his reasoning too and I think it comes from town. He said SirCakez seems town and he'd rather go for Unwnd (If unwnd is town he could have been trying to get the PR lynched?)


Null:
-TrueSoulEnergy - I'm really confused by this slot. I find a lot of TSE's reactions to be town frustration but I'm not sure if it's faked as scum. There was quite a bit of spam which I'm wary of since that's an easy way for scum to look busy or get their post count up.

-NDMath - Hard to get a read from 11 posts and I don't have a strong enough read from anything he has said so far. Need to hear more from this. In Switch he posted 28 total before his death which was N2 and page 22 (as town). In Mini Normal 2125 he posted about 50 times from post 500 to post 2000 (as town). So this activity level doesn't seem to be unusual as town. I can't seem to find any scum examples though.

-springlullaby - None of her reads felt opportunistic which is a good sign, she wasn't just saying what everyone else was. It was town oriented to decide the quiz first then pass the chain because that way we could make sure the quiz team wouldnt be lynched and also it helped avoid scum just doing a safe pass to a quiz team member. A scum chain leader probably would have tried to create more chaos and worked a lot less hard trying to avoid that. PB never denied his claim. I think the claim comes from town although unlikely I could see it being scum. There are some points I am concerned with though. All the numbers and stuff a few pages ago can be scum busywork, she seems to be pushing against looking into the quiz for scum because scum could have a role that tampers with it, and my point in 1609


Scum:
-Albert B. Rampage - Quite a bit of spam, didn't really do much at the start of D1, seemed to have no interest although that's an easy way for scum to get out of saying a lot, he seemed rushed about everything (passing the chain early D1, other times for passing the chain, getting a flip and ending the day). I found it strange how his proposed quiz team had BeeBoy. I expect him as town to know that BeeBoy can't be on the team. A lot of our reads or at least suspicions are similar though which means ABR is probably town or I really need to rethink my reads. He doesn't seem to be pushing for mislynches either, he's not really going after highly scumread players at all. I'm not really sure what I think of him honestly. His anger at the start of D2 seems fake.

-midwaybear - 11 seems like an attempt to waste some time/look busy. Most of his reads aren't original, he's jumping on what other people are saying. Nothing is definite, TSE's outburst was weird, in this interaction they //could// both be town, wary of TSE and Unwnd, states many times he's not confident (so he can backtrack easily later), seems overly concerned about being townread, wanted BeeBoy to be 2nd last then later admits to not understanding why everyone is TRing him, "farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts" again nothing definite, when people start to TR TSE he jumps in and says that on a reread TSE seems town. 1465 some shade on BeeBoy when he is highly townread by majority...

Raya's only consequential post D2.

> We know she was wrong about ABR.
> We have not verified midway.

Farside is not even up there as town. If she knew Farside was town, don't you think it would be 1st on her list?
And then, what use would be pass/fail cop anyway? Don't you think scum has incentive to pass some of the times just to blend in?

No, the way I see it, her role is an action cop: it indicates whether a person has been targeted with vote tampering.

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Dunn please, please, please let's lynch spring if that's the case

Remember that the above is the same person who was all "kill me now" yesterday.

Remember also that Pink Ball didn't even question your claim for a second.

This town is so dumb.

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Cues Pink Ball next post being about assuming people not knowing what reverse psychology is.

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^And how would that scenario be achieved?

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So yes, I believe I protected the player that was to be shot that night.
I'd rather not say who.

And this town is letting that slip by.

Wtf. There is no reason for a real doctor to not out target.

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Everybody: vote for me as a NK target, I'm pretty much ready to be nk.

Cues PB not discriminating between NK and lynch.

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@beeboy where are you? your thoughts on tse and an answer to my question pls.

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If I'm really wrong, and unwnd and Farside are just that bad: not claiming target and targeting people who don't need to be targeted.

I can see midway/TSE/Pink Ball.

Mason claim is unlikely to be scum.

Oh btw, the nk pool makes it look like really scumsided as it means there are nk's.

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1) Titus Albert B. Rampage - VT
2) Dunnstral ------------------ Mason with NDmath
3) SirCakez ------------------- VT
4) Raya36 --------------------- 2-shot sabotage cop
5) Starbuck ------------------- VT
6) Pink Ball -------------------- Neighbor with springlullaby
7) farside22 ------------------- 2-shot doc
8) unwnd ---------------------- 1-shot wiretaper
9) NDmath -------------------- Mason with Dunn
10) TrueSoulEnergy ---------- ????
11) midwaybear -------------- ????
12) beeboy -------------------- Quiz miller
13) springlullaby -------------- Neighbor with Pink Ball

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TSE and midway, you may as well want to claim now.

Btw, I don't see why farside claimed. At all.

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Because if farside saved unwnd, it confirms him as town.

2) Dunnstral ------------------ Mason with NDmath

5) Starbuck ------------------- VT
6) Pink Ball -------------------- Neighbor with springlullaby

7) farside22 ------------------- 2-shot doc

8) unwnd ---------------------- 1-shot wiretaper

9) NDmath -------------------- Mason with Dunn

10) TrueSoulEnergy ---------- ????
11) midwaybear -------------- ????
12) beeboy -------------------- Quiz miller
13) springlullaby -------------- Neighbor with Pink Ball

Which looks like this.
> Midwaybear and TSE need to die. Pink Ball is probably the last scum.

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HURT: unwnd, Beeboy, NDMath

Give unwnd a bullet proof vest.
Scum has to kill Math or my negative utility.

This is the best line of play.

Yet the axis of sucks doesn't follow beeboy, the only rational player.


Farside is lying.

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Farside is either really really dumb or outright scum.
I'm thinking outright scum.

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2) Dunnstral ------------------ Mason with NDmath
5) Starbuck ------------------- VT
6) Pink Ball -------------------- Neighbor with springlullaby

7) farside22 ------------------- 2-shot doc

8) unwnd ---------------------- 1-shot wiretaper

9) NDmath -------------------- Mason with Dunn
10) TrueSoulEnergy ---------- ????
11) midwaybear -------------- ????

12) beeboy -------------------- Quiz miller

13) springlullaby -------------- Neighbor with Pink Ball


Nah, farside + unwnd is totally a scum couple and unwnd is scum.

@Starbuck, get in here: have you finished your suckery? Can you put your head into solving the game or do you want to suck more?
@TSE, why am I scum? I refuse to be lynched, I'm ok to be in the nk pool. You need to claim.
@midway, why am I scum again? You need to claim too.

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If any of them aren't scum then NDmath+Dunn+Starbuck?

The only thing that makes me pause is the Raya kill, which makes me think scum is outside of consensus.

@midway, why did you think this town is dumb?

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i would choose TSE over spring because some of the things spring has been saying are weird.
like what she said about Raya's role.

What is weird about Raya's role?

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midway, why do you want to lynch dunnstral over ndmath? If you think any of them is scum?

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If farside was town, the obvious team would be farside+NDmath+Dunnstral

If she is town, she know that if it fails, the two other are scum.
If she is town, she know that if it doesn't fail, the two other are town.

Unwnd has to die, one way or another, after that monstruous fuck up of using his PR.
It is quite evident now that unwnd is not town.

But guess what farside is doing, she is putting him back on the team.

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TSE, your ABR kill was meh, esp. since you did it by accepting beeboy's deal.
You should get heat for that, but look at who aren't giving you heat.

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Look at what fucking scum is stalling. Pfft.

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Starbuck probably not scum though, just really really OMGUS and beside the point.
Unwnd needs the rope.
I'm ok with being on the nk team.

But yeah, if farside isn't lying, she'd be first candidate.

But then, given the nature of the town advantage we receive with passing the quiz, I don't even know why 2-shot doc, instead of straight doc.

midwaybear, have claimed yet?

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Did Pink Ball say we were best friends? Lol.
We are straight neighbors.
Kill that scum already.

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Spring can you please just talk to me like a human being instead of coming in here to speak platitudes. It's actually annoying me

You are scum. You are not an human being.
Nice try at AtE.

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See? spring is not even reading the game 'cause she knows this is almost over! Let's. Get. Rid. Of. The noise!

Almost over. Lol, what's your solve if I'm scum.
Oh right. You haven't solved the game because you are scum.

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starbuck is legit a universal scumread.

I only see you, TSE and spring calling her scum

Where did Pink Ball, woes is me, kill me now go?
Nowhere that's where.

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Spring can you please just talk to me like a human being instead of coming in here to speak platitudes. It's actually annoying me

You are scum. You are not an human being.
Nice try at AtE.

No, I'm pretty sure I'm human. I get what you're saying from a game perspective but I believe it's impossible to completely detach yourself in that way. This is evident in your own actions, which are largely fueled by outbursts such as your one with ABR and now your one with Starbuck. Hypocrisy sucks doesn't it?

Personal attacks when someone calls you scum is a good way of identifying yourself as scum.

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LET'S GET RID OF THE NOISE EVERYBODY! IT'S NOT ONLY PRO TOWN BECAUSE SHE'S SCUM, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IS NO FUN! NO FUN, NO FUN, NO FUN!

Who's talking about noise again?

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Pfft. Look at that scummy argument.

I play a game called mafia. I make my best bet at the scum team.
Period.

I'm not going to develop a depression if this get lost.

But I'll preen and prue when I'm 3/3

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Did you actually hand the chain to unwnd?

Oh my fucking god.

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Also, let's remember that Spring STILL hasn't voted to approve ANY quiz group all game. Even her own.

How is that germane to anything.

Like for real.

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Ndmath actually wants me dead unless he is scum (and Dunn by proxy) with midwaybear.

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Well from a scum NDmath standpoint, I'm better kept alive at least one more day because because of the axis of people wanting my lynch.
Though I just thought that unwnd being scum infect the chain passers too.

I flip town = PB+unwnd+farside/starbuck taking a hit, and at least one of them is town.

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Just advance the game alreay.

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Farside is scum or really dumb. Since I don't remember them being really dumb, she is scum.

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^PB is detestable. Absolutely. Threatening people now.

Number source of toxicity this game.

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Pink Ball and Unwnd are town from a couple of their posts.
Farside will be reevaluated, but Starbuck is most definitely scum lol

You are wrong.
PB threatened has been using AtE all game.
The toxic sort too.
Basically the equivalent of toddlers tantrum.
That's not town at all.


Unwnd's action aren't town either. You have to look at the mechanics too.

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You know what spring, being called detestable by someone like you is a compliment. Thank you

Someone like me? What do you mean?
I'm not the one threatening pulling AtE left and right here.

And your toxicity is intentional too. Because you are scum.

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Scum with unwnd, distancing. If that wasn't clear.

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Guess who was against giving the chain to unwnd.

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Farside and Starbuck: holy fucking dumbasses.
Pink Ball: 2 year old.

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Still, the setup was a little scumsided imo.

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Also, I take responsibility for making a 1st group that was full of suck.

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Wow that was some bad reads by everyone. I think Dunn was the only one that pinged me that entire game. I didn't think about the mason claim at all being fake, which in hindsite I probably should have thought about all the claims but got tunneled.
Glad I was right about SB, PB, BB and titus in the end.

Yeah ok, no.
You, Starbuck and PB were the reason this town lost.

Next time just replace out, because you didn't analyze a thing, just insulted for some arbitrary personal preference.

Again, next time, replace out, you won't be missed.


ABR played the game ok too.

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This game= remember never give power to stupid.

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My reads were really bad I fuckin sacrificed myself to save scum unwnd UGHHHHHH

Ngl I regretted that near instantly >___>
I got distracted pushing Titus in particular who couldn't be scum with unwnd then I gave up after that flip instead of adjusting and moving forward.

Also I didn't push Math nearly as hard as I was supposed to.

I think my reads this game were ok, but my execution was the most god awful thing ever. Killing my bad reads and letting my good reads live the way mafia was intended to be played.

You just fell for the axis of suck which was entirely town.
I shouldn't have compromised as much as I did.
Didn't think ABR slot was scum the second he replaced out, but the town was so wrong and I had to check my own perceptions.

Always Lynch All Lurkers.
Always auto-lynch self-vote.
Always lynch AtE and personal attacks.

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Spring, if you had come at us with anything but the consistent hostility, we would have listened. To be real, if you hadn't been such a distraction with the way you were acting and treating us, we would have taken you seriously and might have won. I mean, I was reading and taking a lot of what you were saying into consideration. I just didn't want to interact with you because you were so rude for no reason. It's a team game and if you're going to treat your teammates like shit, then no one is going to want to help make your ideas a reality.

This was my first game back to MS in quite a few years. ABR actually reached out to me to ask me to play this and I was excited seeing the player list. I thought the mechanic was cool and didn't think I'd get to be a part of not one but two quizzes. I just didn't appreciate constantly being told that I suck when I literally just got back on site. I honestly thought that maybe I was being too sensitive to some stuff, but when farside and PB both expressed that they felt the same, I knew then it wasn't us but the common denominator.


So my only feedback to Maria would be that knowing the sitewide rules, there probably should have been some intervention somewhere. I'm not sure if there were any PMs or anything, but the enjoyability of the game was effectively killed for multiple players due to one person, and that needed to be addressed as it was happening.

Yeah sure. I'm only doing the only thing that matter in a game of mafia, finding scum and I'm killing "enjoyability".
Next time if you don't find a game enjoyable, replace out instead of shitting on other people.

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Oh and Farside and PB, the axis of wrong "thought the same thing".
You were beyond impolite. Next time try to consider that you are wrong.

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I take responsibility for selecting that group as leader, who did nothing but defend their spots in the quiz team instead of analyzing the game.
Like have some perspective. I don't get pissed by games, but this one did piss me off.

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The whole idea of "pass the quiz become conftown" was wrong, and anybody who wasn't picked for quiz or chain etc. it was really a sucky game with not a lot to do.

Nah, the mechanic was fine, the odds was scumsided, and in effect swingy.
But the set up was fine.

I thought town had a chance, I just understimated how dumb the town was.
It was so obvious to me unwnd was scum after the quiz team he put together.
It was obvious after my lynch that the mason claim was doubtful at least.
But the stupidity brigade actually voted scum as chainleader. AGAIN.

But that's just how it works with stupid: unfamiliar setup=high stress environment=OMGUS all the way.
Someone point out something that is "threatening" to them in the game= more OMGUS and stupid obstination.

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Spring is a great player, and a bad leader. When she lets others take the lead, she's amazing supporting cast.

At least I didn't quit
And yeah, my enjoyment in any mafia game is finding scum. I have zero patience for babysitting egos.

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I think we didn't' have a reliable way of tracking town thoughts, this game really brought out the aspect of mafia of "the loudest voice wins" which resulted in midway kind of getting dunked on the entire game. The result of so many people not being able to actively push their ideas just resulted in people being toxic to each other which was a bit rough.

Nah, I see it as difficulty to adjust to the setup, which is effectively more kingmaker than traditional mafia.
People were trying to reproduce traditional mafia strategy and voting scheme instead of considering it as a different game.
That was what really annoyed me all game.

And anytime real talk about the game happened you had the suck brigade intervention of blablabla because it's too big for their brain.

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charisma

That word shouldn't be touched with a 10 inches pole in a game of mafia.
What are the kids learning these days.

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I though Dunn was scum day 2, but wanted the chain pass, and thought PB was scum more so because of the unwnd situation.
I was pushing unwnd scum day 2 too. And certainly didn't vote unwnd as chainleader N1.

The game was lost by the combination of:
- not flipping the crappy claim
- axis of suck voting in unwnd as chainleader
- ego wrapping and some truly terrible OMGUS
- farside being so wrong and people listening to her: choose TSE vs unwnd, coming up with the worst theory about why unwnd's claim wasn't scum, voting unwnd in as chainleader.

Starbuck and Farside were the biggest tools this game, PB had at least the grace to recognize why I suspected him because of his choosing to keep unwnd.

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Also, NDmath never actually reaching bottom 2 despite cruising all game.

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Btw Starbuck, to convince you of your own suckery: you owe me an apology that isn't forthcoming.

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Mislynching PB over you just makes us lose differently, it's not like Far/SB/PB costed the town a foreseeable win sheeping you.
None of the scum reads placed on Dunnstral/NDMath matter if we let them get away with a mason claim.

You have to push a mason claim very hard to see traction which wasn't happening by anyone. Dunn/Math could always secure their 3rd team member so they had to be pegged before unwnd reads really mattered. I don't think we realized the pacing of this game which made us trip up.

A day 1 scum lynch might have changed the momentum but day 2/3 we all were really digging our own graves just in different ways.

PB going down one day earlier=even if I'm mislynched the mason claim doesn't look good afterward.
And Dunnstral is not getting voted chainleader.

That's one more day.

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Mislynching PB over you just makes us lose differently, it's not like Far/SB/PB costed the town a foreseeable win sheeping you.
None of the scum reads placed on Dunnstral/NDMath matter if we let them get away with a mason claim.

You have to push a mason claim very hard to see traction which wasn't happening by anyone. Dunn/Math could always secure their 3rd team member so they had to be pegged before unwnd reads really mattered. I don't think we realized the pacing of this game which made us trip up.

A day 1 scum lynch might have changed the momentum but day 2/3 we all were really digging our own graves just in different ways.

Oh yeah, I take responsibility for the crappiest d1 qt team ever, you take responsibility for not helping me eliminate one member of the axis of suck.

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But I guess it didn't matter in the sense that Farside tunnel since day 1 was - ABR, Midway, TSE, me = all town.
Starbuck was clearly not playing.
The rest of Raya, PB, Titus, even midway and TSE and you were just sheeping at that point.

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There is no "playstyle" in mafia.
There is only scumhunting.

And you don't even know what anti-town means. Threatening to self vote, lurking, lying, ad hominem = anti-town.

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But I guess it didn't matter in the sense that Farside tunnel since day 1 was - ABR, Midway, TSE, me = all town.
Starbuck was clearly not playing.
The rest of Raya, PB, Titus, even midway and TSE and you were just sheeping at that point.

Your scum reads were sb, pb and me.
Your reads were not any better. I never said my reads this game was great for scum. Only midway had good reads.

I was pushing unwnd day 2. And didn't want Unwnd as a leader N1.
My reads were much better. Also, I had the full scum team in my post before my lynch.

Also, I just realized, you guys weren't playing mafia: you were playing survivor.
Urgh.

STOP LYING YOU SUCKED.

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Lol, you being stupid in a game is an insult to your intelligence.
You were dumbasses and tools manipulated by scum this game.

YOU SUCKED. OWN UP TO IT.

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I dunno, I had fun with the setup. My PB trap was beautiful.
It was wrong but beautiful. And no one even paid attention to it.

But scum-sided I agree.

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I had fun because I tricked PB.
I always have fun figuring out setups too.
And playing cape and daggers.

You, on the other hand, didn't have fun because you weren't getting enough town lurv.
Just stick it out next time, and call everyone stupid (because they are :p ).

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Lol, you have to kill scum first.

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Lol, you being stupid in a game is an insult to your intelligence.
You were dumbasses and tools manipulated by scum this game.

YOU SUCKED. OWN UP TO IT.

Calm Down Ladies.

Go to you corner, you didn't do much this game either.