Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

[Almost50]

Sry i’m dumb. You’re completely right.

You do know you were the 4th person in my 4 suspects pool, right? Now on this page a lone you committed TWO scumtells (that's MAFIA tells). The first is when you lowkey suggested we hunt for the SK. The second is this one. You agreeing on something that is totally false. Come one, Nor! With all your experience in the Normal queue you can't honestly tell me that you didn't know that SK was considered an ALIGNMENT and thus can't be given to a ROLE COP (who gets ROLES, but NOT alignments)

[LuckyLuciano]

Thanks for the info. Do you plan to engage with my slot in good faith or are you just going to be toxic? My experience is off-site, I've already said that. It was a direct response to one of your points against me, not a bragging point. I'm not sure what's with your attitude.

[Almost50]

He definitely could fake that catchup as scum.

Get over it already. That game was like 4-5 years ago.

[Almost50]

@Luciano: What is the definition of toxic/toxicity in your book, of you please? because I don't think I said/made one single toxic phrase/move on anyone. Unless merely FoSing you is considered toxic to you then I don't know what you're talking about.

And my remark was a direct counterpoint to your earlier response. I don't care how long you've been playing, but if you didn't know SK's role is Vanilla you're not as experienced as you may think you are.

So, now you need to decide whether I was correct to consider you a newbie. or if you were deliberately stating inaccurate info with the intention of misleading town.

The choice is yours (in Jigsaw's voice)

[LuckyLuciano]

So, now you need to decide whether I was correct to consider you a newbie. or if you were deliberately stating inaccurate info with the intention of misleading town.

Does my lack of familiarity with the particularities of how certain roles work on a specific site dismiss my ability to analyze behavior in a mafia game?

[Almost50]

Well, let's just say you're new to MS then. Same case applies though.

P.S. WELCOME to the site. I already said I was liking your play in general. Liking you though doesn't mean I replaced in to lose to you (or rather to gift you the win).

Also -as a side remark- the fact that I was not instantly shot upon my replace-in during the night points to a higher probability scum AND SK don't know me wellm which is why I am having a hatd time deciding if Nor is anti-town or not. The other 3 (including Manatee) wouldn't shoot me on the night I replaced in.

[LuckyLuciano]

This doesn't make any sense, why would you move off your preferred lynch which is at L-1 to another wagon?

Because -at the time- if SC is lynched and flipped Town then LL wasn't on him. If Fen takes off (which is what happened) then it wasn't his preferred lynch, Either way "it wasn't his fault". See where I'm coming from?

Because while I' more confident in scum between {Nahdia, Cakez}, I feel more strongly about Fen being scum than either of those slots individually. So while I think it's better for the game to sort between Nahdia and Cakez, I'm just going to let the game play out how Titus wants it to and vote Fen.

Good explanation. I don't buy it though. Not from someone as relatively new as your join date suggests.

Note: This is not you usual "let's harass the newbie" kind of push. In fact, you've gained a fan in me already with your elaborate play (and especially so if you are SCUM). It's just how I'm reading the game.

So why is the type of argument I have made not likely to come from me if I'm town? I understand your mistaking me as being new to mafia as a whole as reason to believe that I couldn't come up with that sort of explanation, that it may have come from a scumbuddy. I feel that I have answered this in two ways,

(1) I informed you that I am more experienced than my join date indicates.
(2) I showed you that I have previously used this same line of reasoning as town.

I understand that you are taking (2) as an additional reason to be suspicious of me, in that you believe I am emulating my town game intentionally. I'll respond to that point at a later time, but for now can you tell me why your original argument made here still stands despite my responses?

@Bake, just go ahead and hammer and we can move on to the next day phase.

This is like

the

scummest post int he whole thread (and probably the scummiest I've seen in 2020 yet). WHY couldn't you wait for wake's replacement to arrive too? Mid had promised and additional 72 hours already, so what's the hurry?

I wanted Wake to be replaced before he could prodge again. I thought a replacement was better than him staying in the game, but I also wanted to wait on a replacement for the following day so that they wouldn't become a NK target by behaviorally clearing the slot. I already stalled a lynch on the slot for one day, I didn't want to derail it again in the following day. You have the privileged knowledge of knowing your alignment because you have access to your role pm. Do you think the town's best place to look today is your slot?

[Almost50]

Regarding my argument: i have a saying (many of those who played me before know it) and that is "in order to catch scum; think like scum". I don't think >I< would work hard to build a wagon on someone and then jump off it citing such reasoning (i.e. while still keeping SC in my lynch pool). I'd only leave the SC wagon if I was convinced he was CLEAR.

As scum though, I might do just that. I mean, hop off the wagon when it looks like it may actually lead to a lynch.

For the second part, I suspect it is more incriminating than you had intended it to be. Please reread your own phrasing. You are saying you KNOW Wake was Town?? You certainly wanted to preserve the slot and protect it from being NK'd, so you are either saying you know my slot is Town or you are saying I'm your scum buddy!!

[Almost50]

@Luciano: Let me tell you something.. in fact I did mention it in my analysis so here's a recap: As Town; I would have wanted to lynch wake. The only thing that would stop me from doing that is the fact we have 2 kills per night, so I would actually be hoping he would end up being killed to save us the trouble.

Now let me ask you this: WHY did you want wake to survive this long? Cuz I know he wasn't even reading the thread (proven by his weird post declaring he won't be claiming results .. in the middle of day ONE. The guy didn't even know what day it was)

[LuckyLuciano]

Do you really want to talk about your slot? What if I told you that when the time comes I can explain myself such that if you are town, I must be town, and that I can confirm my thought process with references from each day phase? Would you be willing to table this topic for now to look elsewhere? We have all day to come back to this if you wish.

[fwogcarf]

Almost50's high and mighty attitude is why I'm quitting mafia after this game

[LuckyLuciano]

@Fwog, attitude aside, how do you feel about his content? He thinks you are scum. Is he wrong? Why?

[Almost50]

Do you really want to talk about your slot? What if I told you that when the time comes I can explain myself such that if you are town, I must be town, and that I can confirm my thought process with references from each day phase? Would you be willing to table this topic for now to look elsewhere? We have all day to come back to this if you wish.

Of course I'd be willing to table it for later. We have 3 anti-town players living and I have a 4-players lynchpool, so i must be wrong on at least one. Furthermore, I do not claim to be omnipotent so there's a relatively good chance I am wrong on one of my TRs too, so let's say I would actually expect to find two scums in my pool and give it a 50-50 on the 3rd one.

[Dr Easy Bake]

A50 has been spewing town since the day started.
And BTW I watched this timer for way too damn long...

[Dr Easy Bake]

I lied, I'm still watching even though it restarted.

[ManateeDude]

Manatee you've been real frigging low profile lately.
What are your current reads?

A50 has been good in terms of content but im hesitant to throw away a townread
I'm willing to give Cakez the benefit of doubt for now but I still really don't like the slot.
Haven't looked over Easy Bake really but I liked Nahdia even tho im sure theres scum in Easy Bake/Cakez
Lucky and fwog are both pretty transparently towny less confident in Lucky tho..
still like norwees slot and I really dont understand why hes being shades so much
Titus is conftown

also are we sure the setup wasn't 11v2v1?? that would make the most logical sense but everyone seems to think it's 10v3v1

[LuckyLuciano]

What do you mean by throw away a town read?

You think mafia has only 2 players with an SK, and one of their known power roles being a neopolitan?

You are willing to give Cakez the benefit of the doubt, and you liked Nahdia, but you are certain there is scum between the Nahdia slot and Cakez?

Why are you less confident in me now?

[Titus]

I think Black Ranger checked Umlaut night 1. It makes his stretched, awkward tunnel make sense. It's also part of what people found scummy IMO.

I don't like LL or DEB's interaction at the EoD. We had time to wait for a claim and we should have.

I think the rolecop was designed to get a guilty on the serial killer and the gunsmith was designed to get a guilty on mafia.

It wouldn't surprise me if scum had a doctor as well. A nurse implies doctor exists in the setup and a doctor would get an innocent to the gunsmith. Of course, that could be tinfoiling and protecting the doctor. Who knows?

I think we should still look into A50 more. I'm not really convinced by his posting.

[SirCakez]

What do you think about his case against my slot?

I have to read it again

He definitely could fake that catchup as scum.

Get over it already. That game was like 4-5 years ago.

I have no idea what you're even referring to here

[Almost50]

I think Black Ranger checked Umlaut night 1. It makes his stretched, awkward tunnel make sense. It's also part of what people found scummy IMO.

Huh? I don't think JKs have guns. I mean, not according to the list a Normal GS would get "Has a gun" on.

[Almost50]

I think the rolecop was designed to get a guilty on the serial killer and the gunsmith was designed to get a guilty on mafia.

*Sigh*

@Luciano: I retract my "newbie" description on you, and I do apologize on top of it.

Also @Titus: How is a Role Cop going to get a guilty on a Neapolitan??

[Almost50]

I think we should still look into A50 more. I'm not really convinced by his posting.

When was the last time you were convinced by anything I say??

[Almost50]

He definitely could fake that catchup as scum.

Get over it already. That game was like 4-5 years ago.

I have no idea what you're even referring to here

I'm talking about the ONE GAME you saw me do that as Scum. I know it was the only one because I never did it again. It was my first game on the site and I didn't know what to do after having losy my partner on D1 and failed to pick the correct kill between RC & SS (Snarky).

In short, I'm talking about THIS game.

[LuckyLuciano]

Doctor isn't scum-sided. If doc is mafia, how does Titus ever live past night 1?

[LuckyLuciano]

Also, if anyone thinks that this game is balanced around town being able to gain a doc by killing mafia, they are crazy.