Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

[Menalque]

Agree. To. The. Plan. Norway.

[Alisae]

mena I think you should just sleep regardless

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok.

[Radical Rat]

hardclaim port authority

datisi is the tomboy daughter

Ship: linen

Vote: Iconeum

for an

iconic

D1 execution![/b]

See, it's shit like this. I know it's PROBABLY a joke, but what if it isn't? What if this is Town trying to double bluff to throw off scum? What if it's scum knowing that being counterclaimed on this is a horrible idea for the real ones to do? I know I'm probably reading way too much into this, but it weighed on me all thread until we got an actual PA claim.

hardclaim port authority

datisi is the tomboy daughter

Ship: linen

Vote: Iconeum

for an

iconic

D1 execution![/b]

this is literally menalque's town meta

yes

i remember the darkness of that game

But I’m aware it’s my town meta so

can you be sure?

And this sure isn't helping me un-WIFOM myself.

Despite my typical inclination towards town, I'm actually slightly disappointed to not have been made mafia here.

I don't consider myself a bad scumhunter necessarily, but I have no doubt that figuring out the TD as scum would be a much easier task for me.

I'm getting scum vibes here. Like "Oh darn, it sure is a shame I rolled TOWN and not scum, because I'm TOWN, and also I should mention I'm TOWN!"
I also found the rest of their posts to be largely fluff with no real conviction.

Get off your copper high horse, Titus. Wheat is superior in every way. What you going to do when the war comes and food runs low, huh? I'll be here with my delicious wheat while you can try munching down on your precious copper.

I take my copper blade, stab you, and then use it to harvest wheat.

I don't remember why I quoted this, but Titus is right, Copper is better than Wheat.

snip~

My problem with the PA outting early is that scum will know who they're trying to drive executions away from

I feel like we should make them have to work for it

I agree with this, but welp. Moot point now aside from slight towncred to GL.

Also setup spec is a good way for scum to avoid scum hunting this has been my ted talk

Normally, sure, but in a game like this setup spec is exactly how we're going to find scum.

Tomboy Daughter Reads

Maki Harukawa

- Classic Donnie is at it again. She's overcompensating here and trying to say she has nothing to fear if scum want to check her meta.

username

- He knows about the ToDa wincon but not this one? For most it'd be the other way around. Very daughterly.

Titus

- Look through her ISO. She hasn't even mentioned the Daughter once. She's terrified of talking about her because she

is

her.

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maxwell

- He agreed with my early strat of putting people we think are town on the checks to get clears. That's a terrible strat and outs Tommy, so he's never Tomboy here.

Hel

- She just seems so oblivious and lost, and she even said she wasn't ToDa. I don't think she'd lie if she was actually the Daughter.

I really, really hate this post. I know it's a joke, but it still comes uncomfortably close to helping scum I think. Maybe if these "reads" didn't have reasoning I'd be less put off by it, but oof.



And I THINK that covers everything I wanted to talk about before.

[Menalque]

Thank you

Yes ur probably right ali, I’m going now

Sorry for shouting norwee

[Radical Rat]

Because I think there's probably going to be at least one scum that doesn't bother to switch their merchandise.

why do you want to try to get a guilty > try to get a bunch if innos

Because if scum is on a ship, guilTea doesn't give any information about the TD. If a ship is clean, scum knows there's no TD in that group.

[Alisae]

ah man i sure do hope norwee didn't influence your answer!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought you were just clueless so i wanted to help you

[Radical Rat]

But, until I get more experience with you, it also means that I can't trust myself to determine whether you're doing scummy things because you're Town being weird, or Scum using that as a shield.

Not being able to read me is fine, but does it not make more sense to default to assuming I’m town than assuming I’m scum given that there is a much higher mathematical chance of that in any given game?

Because gambler's fallacy.

Seriously though, it's not that I'm defaulting to you as scum so much as just... Trying to not talk myself out of scumreading you?

Though for what it's worth I do actually think I was wrong and you are Town for less WIFOM reasons now. Prove me right, k?

[Radical Rat]

ah man i sure do hope norwee didn't influence your answer!

I mean, that kind of thing was brought up earlier too I'm pretty sure. I think it was Titus who said it? But yeah, guilTea > inno

[Radical Rat]

So here's my thinking about shipments.

We send half the living players on Linen, and the other half on Copper. Who gets on which is largely irrelevant.
Conftown players get to go on the wheat ship. Today that would be NK15, provided they confirm themselves on the inspection report. Which if they don't do is a scumclaim.

We investigate either Linen or Copper, whichever we feel is more likely to have scum onboard. If Inno, everyone onboard moves to Wheat duty, and we execute from the other ship. If guilTea, we execute there.

Thoughts?

[Radical Rat]

Oh also, I'm down with Menalque's plan.

VOTE: Execute Hel I guess.

[Radical Rat]

Also also, I'm a bit confused about Datisi. Listed pronoun is He, but everyone who seems to know Datisi is using she? Which one should I be using?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shit plan. The ships being investigated are too large. It’s basically pointless.

@notscience
Let me get this straight, you went from scumreading to not scumreading Username because he outed his alt and called you a pig fucker?

[Radical Rat]

Shit plan. The ships being investigated are too large. It’s basically pointless.

You know the riddle about like. You have five gold coins, and one of them is fake but weighs slightly more, and you have two uses of a balance scale to figure out which one is fake? Sometimes it's five pills and one is poison instead, but anyway the solution is to compare two on each side, then compare the two from the heavier side. If both sides are equal the first check, the one you didn't measure is fake.

That's where I'm coming from here.
Ships are large now, yes, but if we hit inno, we cut the pool in half, and if we hit guilTea we just make extra sure to lynch scum.
Since we only have to hit scum twice, I think that's manageable before the pool gets small enough to out the TD

[Alisae]

Also also, I'm a bit confused about Datisi. Listed pronoun is He, but everyone who seems to know Datisi is using she? Which one should I be using?

you don't know him so you should use him.
Me and Mena are friends with datisi and they're okay with us using she pronouns.

[Alisae]

Yeah Radical Rat is probably town

[NorwegianboyEE]

@RadicalRat
Did you intend for the pool of people we investigate to be deliberate or random?

[Radical Rat]

@RadicalRat
Did you intend for the pool of people we investigate to be deliberate or random?

Deliberate

[Datisi]

As for Datisi, why would doubling down on it indicate scum!GL to you? Especially after I explicitly asked you to consider my view? I think Datisi's scum, if that was a made up belief I'd be

more

likely to ease up on it, not less.

you think scum!GL is more likely to backtrack there? also, i responded to you in 228, would you mind addressing that?

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scum wouldnt make dumb posts like that one hes prob town

I do have a tendency to HATE something that may not exactly be scum indicative.
Though I’d feel like the expectations I have for him are low.

is the "something" referring to anything speciifc here or?

Also i maybe expect iconeum to post just a tiny bit more then what he did
Just a tiny bit
Maybe a gif

how is this scum!indicative for ico?

Spoiler:

Okay so this is a fakegod setup which means there's slim to no chance of finding a breaking strategy


I'm usually the first to object to denying tribute to the blood gods on day one but what if we no-execute and send out shipments / shipment check And work off that on day 2?

Reduces our risk of outting / killing the tomboy on day one. There's no night kill, and then we have a jumping off point tomorrow.

If at end of Day 5, there are at least 2 Smugglers alive, then Smugglers win.

Disregard my last post, I'm illiterate

This actually feels kind of weird now that I’m thinking about it.
The actual first thought that came to my head was that he’s maybe baiting reactions.
I’m not sure who this is or if they would do this, but I definitely should NOT be going “townslip hur dur must be town”

It still looks pretty townslippy to me. But I confess I didn't fully understand the setup when the game started (which is kind of unusual for me but I've been getting lazier about that) and I didn't recall that either when I was trying to evaluate the plan.

I know when I feel like I’ve come up with a strategy like that, I would need to get told by someone else “hey, thats not actually how this setup works” see Donnie Brasco. It honestly feels more planned then a townslip.

what did you mean here? i don't get what this has to do with donnie brasco exactly?

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can i just skip page 15

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(2) I think a full half the game’s we’ve played have been non-traditional mafia setups and you opened like this in none of them

which games were these?

Dats - town
[snip]

I think I’m most confident on datisi of everyone

the 14/17 thing was a joke then?

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2-1days before deadline I vote someone and you comply.
I`ll leave the shipments to you because I don`t want to out the TD(so you still have to do something).
I can`t help you much in developing reads but I might occasionally ask questions if I think its needed, or reinforce questions going unanswered(probably mainly the latter).
Good luck.

this translates to "i won't be doing jack shit, i will decide who we execute, and you all have to go with it"?
...
ok new plan we execute the port authority

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maxwell, what's your read on me?

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Because I think there's probably going to be at least one scum that doesn't bother to switch their merchandise.

saying this aloud because...?

Though for what it's worth I do actually think I was wrong and you are Town for less WIFOM reasons now. Prove me right, k?

what are the less WIFOM reasons?

[Datisi]

why'd that shitty wallpost take like an hour, sigh

Also also, I'm a bit confused about Datisi. Listed pronoun is He, but everyone who seems to know Datisi is using she? Which one should I be using?

you don't know him so you should use him.
Me and Mena are friends with datisi and they're okay with us using she pronouns.

i appreciate this btw

@RR, anything other than it is fine

[Radical Rat]

Because I think there's probably going to be at least one scum that doesn't bother to switch their merchandise.

saying this aloud because...?

Because I was asked why I was inspecting Linen, and that's the reason?

Though for what it's worth I do actually think I was wrong and you are Town for less WIFOM reasons now. Prove me right, k?

what are the less WIFOM reasons?

Having an actual Port Authority claim makes me feel more at ease with all the memeing, and though I do maintain NK15 shouldn't have claimed, here we are.
I like his proposed alternative plan to NK's, and scum doesn't really have much motivation to try to argue with a plan that would probably lead to exploitable Town apathy, especially not when doing so involves challenging an IC.

There were a couple of other recent posts I liked as well, and I think Town really needs to present a unified front in this game, so I'm fine letting him be Town unless he does something else that raises scum flags.

[Hel]

Like my post said I had more stuff but I can only remember like three four of my reads because its so hard to tell all yall weebs apart

You're a weeb as well though. I can barely make you out from the other anime avatars like Maki, Umlaut, or notscience.

Hel I would love if you'd come round for a pot of tea on this here username wagon- I'll pour you some of my pa's old chamomile recipe.

I only give it to those who bleed as green as I do.

The over the top "I am a mafia god and you will feel my wrath" I find towny and I've seen so often from town and I don't think I have from scum.
Do you buy his townslip at the start?

[Hel]

Hel being very noisy about the Tomboy Daughter,

Is that something you'd like to talk about? I don't think the Tomboy Daughter is in [Datisi, GuiltyLion, NorwegianboyEE].

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do you say shit like that?