Open 782: Triad Conspiracy (Finish!)

[Auro]

Umm where's the Mafia PT

[Auro]

whoops

[Auro]

My hood partners basically open SCUMCLAIMED in the hood, but threatened me against self voting. Sorry about that.

[Auro]

I trust that both my partners are town. Are you scum Isis?

[Auro]

Pre edit: Why do you trust Morning and I?

Gut

[Auro]

The burden of winning the game shouldn't be on the town in hood. The hood that gets treestumped without game losing are confirmed inno and have the responsibility of sorting the other two hoods
(If this hasn't been pointed out yet)

[Auro]

I don't *know*, I *believe*

Like the difference between agnosticism and atheism

[Auro]

I don't know who town is besides my own slot

This is a poor reaction to my claiming I trust both my teammates (since scum needs other hoods to kill themselves first)

I'd be glad to have Isis' hood treestump

[Auro]

Why is your headspace at the universe where we didn't immediately win, auto? Is it because that step necessarily happens on all your paths to victory?

Because then the game just ends?

[Auro]

I might do a thing.....

DO IT

But if we treestump we're going to get Isis' hood to treestump for sure.

[Auro]

Faith is not how mafia works

Does Auro ever talk out of his ass to see how other people react?
Hmm

[Auro]

Exactly, it's a desirable outcome, and thus I cease to stop thinking about it.

The plan is exactly to stump the most suspect hood first and have them solve between the other two hoods.

[Auro]

I can't rule that out but the pattern would be Slayer's Gambit fmpov and I don't have a strong enough towngames to both find scum better than rand and avoid misprosecuting slayers gambits

There's an additional method to loosely test it in this case and I'm surprised you missed it

[Auro]

We aren't going to stump quickly tho

[Auro]

I can, however, get excited about that phase nonetheless; D1 is about planning who's the first stump

[Auro]

You realize stumping a good quickly means more jury pandering day2 instead of more unbiased impressions of day1

My partners can affirm that I pointed this out in my hood already.

[Auro]

I want both partners to confirm

...what's the basis for this? Like if I lied about it they'll come point it out, no?

[Auro]

One partner lying == the other partner knowing it's a lie == caught

[Auro]

Oddly specific psych read. What do you think of Isis?

[Auro]

META SCUM TELL

[Auro]

I now legitimately townread my partners for their hood play. I won't reveal the reasoning just yet.

[Auro]

Chainsaw
VOTE: Isis

[Auro]

Chainsaw
VOTE: Isis

Chainsawing the chainsaw
VOTE: Auro

Should answer my question, Auro. That question I had earlier? I'd like it answered, Auro.

It's classified, classified

[Auro]

The fact that you've had no arguments would make yall more sus if anything, wouldn't it? In most mafia games I've played, "nice" interactions are usually scum/scum or scum buddying town, confrontations are usually started by town and more likely to hit town

Are you still arguing with Isis in your hood?

I do think you'd stage an argument with your buddy in the hood if you believed that people would townread arguments and scumread "buddying"

[Auro]

Don't listen to her. You're a superb owl.

[Auro]

Everything is WIFOM

Everything is WIFOM the way mafiascum thinks WIFOM works.

I kind of feel that this is all that needs to be said. Also, people need to actually try to understand this tell. I can't even begin to describe how many times I've seen someone debating *possibilities* and then being called scummy for 'WIFOM' Or, even worse, someone saying what they believe happened (which is the definition of *not* wifom) and then being called scummy for...yep, WIFOM.

I challenge you to tell me the action that scum might not have done 'WIFOM' on

Yeah...

Y'see, the danger of WIFOM is that it messes with town's heads and makes them doubt reads. But, generally speaking, very few people ever mention it in a scummy manner. I mean, I *use* WIFOM as scum, but you don't ever see me "using" it. Usually my goal is just to make town have to consider things over and over toill their reads are all muddy and useless - that's how scum use WIFOM. Sayingg that you think Player A lied while thinking he would look town for the lie - that's called a conclusion, not WIFOM.

Figure this out, people.

[Auro]

Oh cool, the Turkey is T O W N

[Auro]

The argument here is that scum is operating on Lvl 1. However I could just as easily argue that scum is operating on lvl 0 or lvl 2 - making your argument scummy! Etc etc.... So how do we escape the WIFOM? You have to read which "level" the scum is reasonably operating at.

And my read is that you're operating at level 1.

Reading you as playing on level 1 is not scummy because you could be operating on level 0 or level 2, my dear owl

I'm a lvl 100.5 player and thus unpredictable and unreadable myself, ftr. WIFOM doesn't apply to me!

[Auro]

You implied that your potential countering that you're even leveled operating (this is why I chose a decimal for my own level btw, otherwise it's even odd parity) can make an argument that you're operating on level 1 scummy, and I have correctly noted that as an accusation.

It's a read. I think you believe argumentation is towny, and I think that as a result you would operate on level 1 play. Thus, I conclude that your excessive argumentation is actually scum indicative and not NAI. As my quote says... It's a conclusion! One of the distinct possibilities which I feel is likelier. It is you who does not understand WIFOM, my friend.

[Auro]

If you actually wanted to sort me, you might have asked "Who started your hood argument?" If the answer is me, then you know I'm starting arguments, giving you reason to suspect I might be on level 1.

Isis accused you of acting intentionally scummy, and then you got paranoid of the way she was treating you - right?

My read is that Tommy Two Times is town town, and you and Isis are scum in the hood - since the principle argument is between you two, it matters not who started it.

[Auro]

I also gave them an ultimatum that I would self vote in a few days

At this point I'm interested in who ISN'T offering up such ultimatums

Any sneak peek into your hood's content?

[Auro]

Turkey and I are secretly Masons

[Auro]

I want to make sure your hood mates are town

[Auro]

My hood is too silent.

[Auro]

That actually makes sense, I guess only scum would focus on hoods anyway. If you're lurking in the hood it's town indicative.

[Auro]

Gut

[Auro]

I think that at this point I'm TWTBAW. (Too Wolfy To Be A Wolf)

[Auro]

Isis / superbowl9 / Tommy Two Times
gobbledygook / Galron / Adorable
Morning Tweet / Auro / Doctor Drew

These are the hoods!

[Auro]

My hood is too silent.

What was the open scum claim?

Do you consider me to be a reliable narrator?

[Auro]

Wow. Mine hasn't filled even 3 pages yet.

[Auro]

Unless that was your plan all along!?!?!?! /s

Sorry couldn't resist

I was playing on level 2 though, since I knew you'd say that's my plan!

Don't apologise lmao, I'm loving this :"D

[Auro]

Ha - you bought my lie! I was at level 4 all along.

[Auro]

It's hard to believe your hood is 40 pages - are you saying that's actually true? Paraphrase pages 28, 33 and 38 if you're able to, quick?

[Auro]

Asking someone scum is WIFOM now? Amaze

[Auro]

I think I know what alt username to register for my next game.

[Auro]

VOTE: Hood 3

[Auro]

I mean Isis' hood

[Auro]

I think my hood and Gobbles' hood both town

[Auro]

Why is Gobble's hood town? I think you're pretty likely to internalize the 6/7th 1/7th skew on your own, so that's less interesting to me.

I nearly locktown read Gobbles, and Adorable feels town from what little content is here

[Auro]

Why do you townread Gobbles? Why is it like pulling teeth to get content from you Auro, this is like my third question this line

You asked me why that hood was town, and I gave the answer

Gobbles feels obviously town from his posting, there's a couple of meta-tells I won't reveal, but I've also had a reliable record of reading him so far.

[Auro]

You're such a Hermione. If she took any Divination classes...

I'm a Hermione?
I think I'm more like Frodo but that guy's a Hufflepuff right? So maybe not

[Auro]

VOTE: Hood 1

[Auro]

What Isis means is that you could've gotten a scum role PM, and also the name of your partner who's a hood mate, but you might have still thought it's possible to be scum with someone outside the hood.

[Auro]

I'd rather self vote before Gobbles self votes, actually c

[Auro]

Please don't. Talk to me about how you townread your neighbors? They haven't posted all that much here.

[Auro]

Can you summarize your solve again, and Galron's specific arguments for that solve?

[Auro]

I’m not sure Galron and I have the same solve now. Do you want the earlier one?

Any and all, summarized

I like... don’t get the infatuation with my hood when I feel like the other two hoods have done nothing townie or beyond any of their scumranges.

Because my hood will be the prospective first self-vote, so I'm not too bothered with town telling as much as I am solving.

[Auro]

Also, Gobbles, c'mon, you should be able to townread me at this point Our BoP goes both ways.

[Auro]

I don't think my hood mate Drew does rhetorical play.

[Auro]

Adorable, now that you've found out that scum can be split across hoods, does this change where you think scum are? I can vouch for Isis being scum, being scum.

On the basic setup it says 2 neighborhoods with 3 vts and 1 neighborhood with 1 vt and 2 mafia.

Why is this not a sufficient follow-up, Tommy?

[Auro]

.... Why

The entire point of my not asking you to self vote was because Drew would self vote now

[Auro]

You think it's Isis and Tommy or Superbowl?

[Auro]

Drew was crazy paranoia'ing in my hood. I was asking him to play along and townread my hood to see how Isis' hood would react (my prediction was that it'd drive her to try and convince us that we might be scum, instead of just ignore it) but he thought it's useless. MT and I both thought our hood was obviously town.

I kept constantly maintaining that we're the first self voting hood inspite of that and it didn't seem like MT and Drew were too bothered. I think it would've been scummy if Drew kept stagnating over a period of time without actually falling to that paranoia though.

I think it's pretty brilliant play if they're both scum together, at least from my PoV.

[Auro]

The entire point of my not asking you to self vote was because Drew would self vote now

I don’t understand this statement.

My fear was that Drew would just go ahead and self anyway even if you asked Isis' hood to self vote, because his paranoia would outweigh that. If we were the first hood this problem wouldn't exist

[Auro]

I wanted us to stump then to have Isis' hood stump

This was my plan as well.

[Auro]

What did Galron and Adorbs thing?

[Auro]

Am I missing the flip somewhere? Y'all are very quick to assume day 2 started already...

Nothing will please me more than Gob's hood being scum, but I definitely don't read it that way - I've been calling your hood scum and Gob's hood town all game.

8 days? We don't have a deadline, no?

[Auro]

I am going to feel dumb about who you really are lol.

I think I might know. If I'm right, then you definitely will feel amused at least

[Auro]

Gobble yolo self-voting is bad, it means that no matter who he's paired with he self-votes and that leaves no viable options of play for scum. Their only hope is that other hoods self before someone like Gobbles does.

Boo hoo I'm soooo sorry my "open wolfing" is making the game boring for you

[Auro]

Your and Isis' descriptions of what happened in your hoods, as an answer to me - were they true?

[Auro]

LMAO come on man.... 40 pages? Also Isis directly contradicted me on my argument summary

I just wanted confirmation - to show that Isis' accusation of me "open wolfing" is pretty lame

[Auro]

Gobble yolo self-voting is bad, it means that no matter who he's paired with he self-votes and that leaves no viable options of play for scum. Their only hope is that other hoods self before someone like Gobbles does.

Oh, and Gobble: If I was posturing in my hood with Drew with a planned trajectory out of it later, and you self-vote, it's a huge positive to scum!me.

[Auro]

TTT can I out your main

[Auro]

Why did you bring this up

The lulz. You don't get to have a monopoly on madness, my feathery friend

[Auro]

Super curious to see your hood

[Auro]

Did you think you would get town cred for bringing it up?

Yes. You're telling me I didn't? Wtf

[Auro]

The question is, can we depend on mega troll Auro to be a reliable narrator

HMMMMMMMMMM

[Auro]

I would expect scum Auro to focus on my hood to tree stump first since gobbles and Galron were getting scum read

This actually wouldn't work out for me. I have quite a lot of experience with the Turkey and a BoP on reading him. That means that if I push him as scum when he's town and also projecting town, he knows I'm scum for it, and I'm caught

[Auro]

No, but you did the next best thing and proxy’d your vote out by having Drew and MT push me while you yourself pushed me under the guise of facilitating scumhunting within your own hood to sort Drew.

Where'd I push you? Yeah, as Drew says I was calling you obv town multiple times in the hood lol.

[Auro]

It was argument ad absurdum. I'm very fond of it.

As demonstrated by all your posts this game

Ba dum tss

[Auro]

In particular, he had the street smarts to dismantle it far earlier yet didn't do so yet wants to later join the camp insisting it was anti-town.

It can still be anti-town. My pushing your hood is because of my scumread on you, which is sufficient: I've never really stated who I think is your partner?
You were calling my play "open wolfing" while brazenly lying about the happenings of your hood, that hypocrisy is scummy, etc

[Auro]

I haven't said you're scummy for the hypocrisy, I just said you're being hypocritical though

[Auro]

Oh wait I'm talking about different things, wait a minute there

[Auro]

My mind's not working properly, forgive me

[Auro]

That should be easy, Morning Tweet. If you're scum then convincing Drew is your best shot
(Or convincing Gob hood, if Gob's hood dictates that I self then I self)

[Auro]

would be happy to proxy that judgment to turkey crew, that's for sure.

I'm already making the job harder for him with all my WIFOM, as punishment for yolo self voting

[Auro]

[Auro]

And while we're at it, auro, why would you be paired with Tweet?

We've been buddying up a lot and both of us believed we were all town.

I don't think I'd stage the antagonism and paranoia that I had if with Drew.

[Auro]

You guys should focus more on Turkey appeasement tbh, Isis hood.

[Auro]

It's something I've done long ago, already

[Auro]

Watcha talking about? I didn't "look up the game" to remember that I solved it long ago

[Auro]

Oh yea that makes more sense

[Auro]

You guys should focus more on Turkey appeasement tbh, Isis hood.

Why give them advice?

Why not?

[Auro]

Auro who do you think it is in the Isis hood?

Isis+Superbowl.

[Auro]

Are you convinced it's not Drew and Tweet?

At this point, yes. As I've explained before, I find it really hard to imagine that Drew would paranoia that hard throughout. I myself maintained constantly that we're going to be the first self-voting hood; none of them really bothered. MT and I were more focused on gambit play.

If that's the team and they just played me like a fiddle, then props to them - but I heavily doubt it It wouldn't have really worked out if Gobbles hadn't yolo voted, as Drew would have to constantly justify not self-voting despite his paranoia, and I basically had written your hood (or Gob, at least) off as town. While Drew disagreed with my Gobbles read a little, he never treated it with importance or urgency.

So I'm almost certainly convinced that they're town. This is also derivative in part from my Isisofscum scumread.

However, I will still self-vote if your hood wants us to, of course. I'm happy to answer any other questions you guys have, save maybe a paraphrasing of my hood content (too lazy).

[Auro]

Sadly neither of us will get to the first place, which you comfortably occupy by a mile

[Auro]

Note that Drew wouldn't have pointed out that he was going to not self-vote if that was the case; Gob's self vote would be a golden ticket for us and we'd take full advantage to posture

[Auro]

Isis and Auro are battling each other over like the dumbest stuff now

it's fun

[Auro]

He just said "don't assume my thoughts" which could really mean anything, no?

[Auro]

and then when he threatens to selfvote they freak out but auro knows about being calm he's seasoned

I'm seasoned enough to do this but also incompetent enough that I can't help but give out classic scum tells every post of mine?

[Auro]

I don't think I dared him? O.o did I now

[Auro]

your good at mafia auro

Yes, that's how I caught you so quick

[Auro]

If Adorable, Galron, and I declare that a hood self vote, will that hood self vote?

Don't declare a hood, declare a single person to do it.
And yes, three of you use vote tags - no reaction test shenanigans.

[Auro]

Ah yeah that, lol.

[Auro]

It seems the only combo from either hood that hasn't been seriously considered is Drew/Tweet.

Questionable scum play to not really push the GobblesHood!scum angle when I was continuously saying that hood is obv-town, etc.

Drew lightly pushed Gobbles and then came around to him.

I'd be glad losing to them if they're the scumteam! Very well played

[Auro]

You declare a hood. That's equivalent to declaring a person to do it. If the person refuses, it's equivalent to gaining an awareness that the town in that hood should self vote

i thought about this

The difference comes in dayplay, I'm imagining they don't come out and give the solve out of the blue; they use public vote tags and we self when 3/3 of them vote

Voting for a person instead of a hood makes for better dayplay. At this point I want individual defenses over posturing about how each person's neighbors seem town etc.

[Auro]

Obviously, if the individual refuses to vote than town in the hood does it

[Auro]

I dont see the difference between picking a townie to self vote versus picking a hood. Cause if u picked a scum, the townie in the hood would just selfvote instead. how is this going to change EV?

I don't think the picking should happen at once

I think Gobhood should publicly individually vote till there's a hammer

Affects dayplay and reactions, doesn't change EV

[Auro]

Morning, Auro daring Drew to self-vote in-thread and in-hood is bad for him if he's scum and Drew's town, and it's also bad for him if he's town and thinks Drew is town. Even if you think Drew is likely to eventually self-vote anyway, daring him to instead of trying to convince his mind is anti-wincon. An explanation that makes sense is that they're both scum and there was never really any fear, and it's all theatre.

The lack of progression of softening paranoia in the hood is a bad sign, not a good sign. All of the previous paranoia and threats to self-vote mean nothing if Drew does a sudden 180 when it gets down to two hoods.

I was scumreading your hood anyway. I'm pretty sure I made a post in our hood declaring that we self and then order your hood to self.

[Auro]

This also makes 0 sense - why not just have us stump D1 if we're your top scumreads? I can think of 2 possible options:

I voted for your hood

[Auro]

Also for your pedit i mean auro may have thought that scum is in either our hood or yours and believed you were going to self hammer, so felt that even if yall stumped first he’d just get us to stump day 2

This^

[Auro]

I don't see why you would go for stumping your own good day1

Coz getting tired of Drew paranoia, etc

[Auro]

Haha my ass I deserve the L along with Gobbles

[Auro]

Yes, because I'll win alongside the Turkey

[Auro]

Isis is trying to throw anything she can, lol

[Auro]

VOTE: Hood 3

I mean Isis' hood

What do you think I intended by this?

It honestly didn't -really- matter, just a faster way to get there.

[Auro]

what page was that Auro, 8? You were so sure you had the game won by that point you wanted to misvig three townies?

I didn't necessarily want to but Drew was super paranoid and didn't even want to participate in my gambits so

And yea I'm that good

[Auro]

In a sense, this game is faaar easier to solve and manage than a normal game because of the constraint of both scum being in a hood. What went down in my hood convinced me that mine was town (and if we were gonna self it wouldn't even matter anyway) and Gobbles obvtowned very quickly while you were being scummy. Adorbs also towntold very quickly, + I'm sure Gob also townread them

[Auro]

.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Yes, that is the probability that I am scum this game.

[Auro]

I think she was scoring your post out of up to ten points is my interpretation

yes where 0 means amazing and 10 is scummy

[Auro]

but it does show me that if you're town you've not been doing a good job.

I've been doing a great job, because I correctly caught you and Isis

[Auro]

I saw it so weird how you get in an argument with superbowl, asking pointless questions and now all of a sudden you are town reading each other out of the blue.

that was probably at least supposed to be a gambit, I think - we still haven't gotten an accurate picture of what really went on in their hood, right?

[Auro]

Note that that's not all - if we were scum we'd have lower chances of winning if we got Isis hood to self vote, as Isis has been scumreading me pretty hard. We'd have to fake some progression on Gob hood too at some point. Voting Isis hood while calling Gob obvtown seems like a weird self-cornering.

In this sense it's also useful to go back and check if Isis hood ever really townread Gobbles'

[Auro]

@Gob hood: guys start voting, pls.

[Auro]

This is gonna be fun.

[Auro]

And superbowl is really obvtown in this game

Lol, "really obvtown"? sure, go ahead and explain how.

[Auro]

It's not just the want of self-vote, but also the confidence in townreading Gob's hood and continuous expressed scumreads on Isis hood both in PT and in the main thread.

Okay, suppose Gob didn't self vote... We get Isis' hood to self and it flips town. Now what? We have to fake a trajectory to start paranoia'ing on Gob now? And hope that Isis suddenly doesn't find me open wolfing scum and instead asks Gob to?

[Auro]

So wait what were you guys trying to gain from it?

That's what I'm still a little bit confused about, as for me I was just trolling the whole time. Not sure about the others though

So it's kinda weird Isis calls you obvtown and then makes the most blatant evasion when I ask her to explain, no?

[Auro]

Running gambits which don't work unless you get extremely lucky is bad play if scum.
Unless you're saying we predicted Gobbles would self vote.

[Auro]

Your suspicions (or the lack of them) wouldn't have mattered, in all likelihood Isis' hood would have chosen us to be the next hood anyway if they're town.

[Auro]

It fails because there's no scenario where Drew and I can convincingly fake a scumread on Gob's hood.

For the gambit to work, we need other town to get Gob hood to stump first, which sounds When Isis has been calling me obv wolf all game long

Or we need someone in Gob's hood to self-vote

Outside of these two scenarios we're pretty much effed. It's a high risk gambit that entirely relies on town doing unlikely stuff, leaving us no room for manipulative play.

Hence, poor strategy as scum.

[Auro]

#1 is just not true, you really think you're not a good enough player to come up with a reason to flip a read lol?

No, I think regardless of the reasons I cook up the act itself will look scummy.

[Auro]

Please vote in the main thread with vote tags.
I'm assuming hood 1 is Isis hood.

Adorable - hood 1

[Auro]

I'm at 99-1

[Auro]

One of my favorite TV shows

[Auro]

Approximately 22% so

The math works out at 25% so this is like, barely better than random

[Auro]

To an external observer, not from the pov of someone who got a town role pm.
Now I'll grant that there's some monty hall shit going on but you get the point.

[Auro]

P(town hood) = P(scum hood) = 1/2 (say)
P(town | town hood) = 1
P(town | scum hood) = 1/3

P(town hood | town) = 75%

Now the flipped info and priors make it diff but basically this^

[Auro]

i think you're both wrong it's 1/7 or 14% that im in the scum hood

So random chance is 14% but you think we're 22% scum, so more than random accuracy?

[Auro]

I dare you, etc

[Auro]

Stalling.

Then please just vote in thread. Your hood's stalling.

[Auro]

So I just finished a recent game and had the total opposite reads, my confidence is crushed

Gobbles hood pls discount all my instances of calling Isis' hood scum

Idk

[Auro]

Gobbles has siteflaked, Galron & Adorbs: are you at consensus?

[Auro]

I think Galron and Adorable could discuss things a bit more and reach some consensus since we have 30 hours remaining

[Auro]

I'm poor at reaction tests, so let's say yes?

[Auro]

I no more hold very high confidence in Isis' hood being scum, that's all I was conveying there. Unless you want some additional WIFOM?

[Auro]

It was that my reads in another game turned out to be completely opposite and hence I'm questioning myself here too, nothing related to the happenings within this game itself. I still do believe my hood's town.

[Auro]

Of course, well, I said I'm poor at reaction tests

(Even if you do self-vote in your hood it wouldn't count)

[Auro]

Do keep in mind this is partly continuing punishment for your hood prematurely self-voting!

[Auro]

I only have 18% more posts than Isis

[Auro]

Damnit I opened all the spoilers impulsively first and then read what you posted before that
Please re-roll

[Auro]

I'm poor at reaction tests

, so let's say yes?

The bolded didn't indicate it's a joke?

[Auro]

For me to honestly believe the game was over means I express no doubt over Isis' not choosing to vote in the main thread, and no doubt over whether hood votes count, and then why would I qualify it with "I'm poor at reaction tests"?

[Auro]

Don't mind me, I'm just a little annoyed because I feel like I'm caught for the wrong reasons! >.>

(Galron, you asked for the WIFOM, happy? )

[Auro]

To be serious: you guys should be evaluating us on what we did pre self-vote. Fmpov, it's pretty weird for Drew to "soften up" on my hood and also begin to come around on Gobbles at the same time. Drew as scum would've likely played nice and played along to my gambit proposals in hood; he would know (or MT would tell him) I'd get annoyed if he just put up that paranoia stance throughout.
I basically just treated that as an assumption that we're the first self voters, and there was zero reaction from either of them to try and reverse that. MT was a bit resigned, but both seemed to just focus on other things.

Same would go with myself, I declared my hood town, then took it as a given that we're stumping, townread hood 2 and scumread hood 3. Now, either I'd have to chart a trajectory off of this belief set (as I'd need Isis' hood AND Gob's hood who I previously townread to self vote over me) in a manner such that Isis' hood wouldn't pick my hood after stumping. Do you really think I'd be trying to go for the "let me come off as twtbaw" angle to Isis? Screw wifom, that's just poor strategy. Following any version of this strategy without losing involves town forcing Gob hood to stump first (which wasn't gonna happen if Drew was my teammate especially since he came around on their hood, plus obv two hoods calling each other scummy doesn't imply high chances of the other hood stumping) or someone to yolo self vote.

Sure, I make wifom plays as scum, but only when the payoff is worth it. My argument is that it wasn't, here. My independent argument for Drew town is that it looks organic coming from town and a bit unnecessary and strategically meh as scum.

What I should check is whether Isis' hood tried to get the Gob hood stumping first (as she would know my hood stumping = loss).

[Auro]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Hood 3

VOTE: hood 3

I thought yall were 1? And turkey was 3?

No we are 3, it says the number next to your PT.

Gotcha - in that case VOTE: Hood 2

Why do you want to vote my hood?

I think my hood and Gobbles' hood both town

Why is Gobble's hood town? I think you're pretty likely to internalize the 6/7th 1/7th skew on your own, so that's less interesting to me.

It's not impossible for Adorable to both be scum and not realize it was possible she could have randed scum with someone from a different hood.

I misspoke wading through hypotheticals and counter factuals trying to explain my point. I was saying adorable could be scum with a hoodmate and be unsure whether she had the possibility of randing scum with a crosshood mate.

You should very closely review posts at this point. I vote hood 3 thinking they're Isis hood.
Isis immediately sheeps.
Superbowl goes "I thought hood 3 was Turkey" and then immediately lays down a vote for hood 2 when drew clarifies.

It's kinda cool that both presumably made that slip, no? Almost as if they talked about Gobbles' hood as hood 3 in their scum PT, and then jumped on it when I seemingly voted there...

And then I go on to say Gob's hood is town, and Isis fights it. Wasn't she supposed to be scumreading me at that time anyway?

[Auro]

Tommy/Superbowl. Seriously?

[Auro]

We both scumread each other so it cancels out I'm hoping mt drew aren't theatering

[Auro]

Unless she self voted as scum for some reason I guess

Feel like she would just to make us feel bad

[Auro]

And tbh, I enjoyed everyone here.....you all are good people

Same.

[Auro]

I'm not sure it'd work. Apart from knowing you can't vote in hood, why would I trust someone who claimed they did, anyway? Even as a first stump reaction test I can't imagine.

Pedit: pls excuse all my wifom plays, I just can't resist

[Auro]

Don't mind me, I'm just a little annoyed because I feel like I'm caught for the wrong reasons! >.>

(Galron, you asked for the WIFOM, happy? )

Genuinely felt cathartic saying this because I get this thrown at me every damn game

[Auro]

Meanwhile, Isis could you link me to your original setup? I couldn't find it

I think I'm a huge fan of these Conspiracy setups and would like to play in more of them

[Auro]

All I want
Is for everyone who didn't townread me to feel bad

formal apology

Dear Isis,
Sowie
Regards,
Auro

[Auro]

@TTT Drew was wondering if I was a Hectic alt, that was fun with you in the game lmao

[Auro]

I'm getting worried at how quickly you nail my alts nowadays, Auro

You have a uniquely funny style that I always enjoy and recognize

[Auro]

I think it's a fundamental flaw that a TvT which is almost completely outside the bounds of scum manipulation can screw over the scumteam as it partly has done in this game. Perhaps a good corrective mechanism for this (and to destroy the 66% EV) would be to allow some sort of shuffling at some point?

[Auro]

Oooh a Conspiracy game where you have to figure out whether the other N-1 players are Hectic alts or there's just one Hectic