Open 787 || Lovers Mafia — Game Over

[Nash]

Hey! That's a lot of posts, catching up.

[Nash]

C'mon guys, innocentvillager is Baby Bear just look at his pfp.
Sorry it has to end like this IV, not your fault I'm this good

[Nash]

Actually idk I’m kinda townreading Nash now, maybe it’s Deimos-Norway?

Why? This makes me TL you, scum would try to be logical in their approach.

[Nash]

did you read the thread? what are your thoughts on the thread so far?

Not yet. But I think a correct townblock of two will win us the game.

[Nash]

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(17)- Scummy unsolicited claim given NEE's TR in (11).

[-IV]

(18)- Similar to (17)

[-NEE]

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(31)- Likely associative with D27 because the start is obvious WIFOM. Attempt to rule out {D27, IV} with the vote on D27, or other possible bus attempts.

[-IV]

(34)- Bad follow up to (31). That's a lot of weight to a random wagon.

{-D27/IV}

(35)- What about D27?

{-D27/NEE}

(36)- If your reads are based on the last-seen times, I don't think they hold any value.
(42)- Serves only as shade for ignoring WIFOM?

[-IV]

(47)- What part of his play is town indicative?
(49)- Surface level scummy.

[+W321]

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(51)- Reflects almost no paranoia.

[-IV]

(58)- Wolfy self meta.

[-NEE]

(64)- Why not? It's sub-optimal as scum to close options like this.

[+IV]

(66)- Townpings. I think it's likelier for scum to pick a side and pursue that instead of analysing both sides of the argument.

[+W321]

(68)- Why do you think so BM? This looks opportunistic unless you have solid analysis like in our last game.

{+BM/NEE}

(70)- I don't follow, your reads so far have been based off of possibilities and not probabilities. Further shade on ignoring WIFOM aspects of the game?

[-IV]

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(75)- Shade on NEE's reasonable progression?

[-IV]

{-W321/IV}

(76)- Scummy vote on the wagon.

[-W321]

(78)- Why do you think BM sheeped? Reads OMGUSsy

[-NEE]

{+BM/NEE}

(80)- Townpings.

[+BM]

(98)- I agree with it being a bad push, but your reaction reads way too AtEy

[-NEE]

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(102)- Did scum!you realize it was a bad push to start with? 'LOL' defence.

[-W321]

(108)- Downplaying your scumreads?

[-NEE]

(112)- Defensive without actually being defensive.

[-NEE]

(113)-

{+BM/NEE}

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(141)- Why is it impossible? Contradictory play.

[-NEE]

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(151)- Slip?

[-NEE]

(168)-

{+W321/NEE}

(174)- But this setup is different, scum can't afford a death. Your defence for being defensive about how you are defensive as either alignment isn't entirely valid.

Assume a ghost vote on NEE.
FMPOV D27 is most likely to be scum, regardless of NEE's alignment.
And I would love to hear his thoughts on how the game has run so far.
VOTE: Deimos27

IV isn't in a great position either. I don't get the townreads on that slot.

[Nash]

FMPOV D27 is most likely to be scum, regardless of NEE's alignment.

This is also completely stupid. "Scum regardless of my alignment". I laugh.

Why? If you are scum, he's most likely to be your partner. Else, I fee like Deimos x {BM,W321,IV} is likelier than both scum in {BM,W321,IV}.

IV started the push on me. Unlikely to be scum.
Word voted and stated their reasonings in a natural way.
Deimos is playing sane and questioning my wagon.

Battle Mage has only been sickly opportunistic with his sheeping of IV and voting my wagon.
Nash’s stances are entirely weird, fake and unnatural.

Didn't I have the same stance as Deimos regarding your wagon? The way you reacted under pressure pinged me.
If you have meta with BM, you should know that it's unlikely he sheeped IV. Why throw shade before he gives his reasons?

[Nash]

I agree on Deimos being pretty much conf!town from my POV, and he should be from every other town's POV if i'm lynched too.
But i think it's really stupid that i'm first in line of the PoE when BM is so fucking obviously scum.

Why exactly is Deimos conf!town from your POV? If you are town and everyone else thinks you are scum the most logical move for scum is to defend you.

[Nash]

If i'm town.

Which ones of IV / Word321 / Battle Mage would you say are most likely to be the scum on my wagon?

IV - BM - Word in that order.

EBWOP

I agree on Deimos being pretty much conf!town from my POV, and he should be from every other town's POV if i'm lynched too.
But i think it's really stupid that i'm first in line of the PoE when BM is so fucking obviously scum.

Why exactly is Deimos conf!town from your POV? If you are town and everyone else thinks you are scum the most logical move for scum!Deimos is to defend you.

[Nash]

IV - BM - Word in that order.

You think IV is most likely to be scum? Really?
He started the game by putting out some reads he came up with from page 1, does that seem like an typical scum entrance to you? He then wrote fifty paragraphs about why i'm scum. Mafia doesn't put in that level of effort and strongly assert domimance over a wagon, people like BM that mindlessly sheep while repeating what the "face of the wagon" IV says are more in line with scummy motivation. The plan of BM (and you) is to make IV get the blame once i flip town.

Yeah, none of IV's initial reasons to push your wagon make sense, I think it's likely.
I've seen BM play like this as town. It's premature to call it AI until he's given his reason.

Else, I fee like Deimos x {BM,W321,IV} is likelier than both scum in {BM,W321,IV}.

You "feel" that, not because you've got an logical argument that proves your point. But because that narrative is the most convenient for you. You NEED to leave Deimos as an open scumread. Otherwise you might lose the game if i'm lynched and flip town. Because that would severely minimize your remaining options. I see right through you.

What's the purpose of this post? I'm scum for thinking Deimos is a likelier associative? Why is Deimos conftown even though we had similar stances?

[Nash]

Nash can you summarize in no more than two or three sentences why Norwee is scum?

What for?

Norwee, why's word town?

[Nash]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[Nash]

Battle Mage, can you explain your initial progression on NEE?
Why do you PoE Word as town and not consider a Word x Nash possibility like IV?

I still think it's probably Deimos for the way he white-knighted Norweg and how unusually scummy he's playing.

You mean it makes no sense for town!Deimos to confirm NEE as town?

[Nash]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Nash]

Sorry Norwee, the tunnel was really unfair.
Anyways GG WP to everyone and thanks to Dannflor for modding.