Why Gun?? - Town Win

[Menalque]

I think pork is literally the perfect use of a vig shot

[Morning Tweet]

@Keiji i did the big partner/solvey thing cause at the time i was worried about getting NKed and i wanted to do a big guess

Norwe/Umlaut/Bell. Well I got one right. i totally forgot Bell and Nor shot at each other when i wrote that though.

[Morning Tweet]

Keiji is pretty much using the right way to read me though. makes me feel good abt her

[Datisi]

@keiji

i think we're either very right (pork is scum, we're on the right track, game is in easy mode etc etc) or very wrong (pork is town, extremely fucky shit has been going on yesterday, why didn't pork get lynched?) and killing him resolves that and tells us where we need to be looking imo

also he's kinda low info liability slot and i'm not saying policy lynch but also policy lynch

maybe i'm dumb, but i don't see there being much evidence for pork!scum other than he isn't playing? i thought that was why everyone chose norwee over him as well - pork didn't care/wasn't participating, while norwee had that bad readlist and was fluffing

although i wouldn't protest to a pork shoot, i guess

~keiji

p-edit: KEIJI WAS READING

keiji

do you remember in chain of command, how i said QQ is town on day 1? even though QQ was completely unreadable and refusing to participate and cooperate with us? because the wagon on him, the way the game was warping around him, just reeked of scum trying to grab that ez mislynch?

i feel the exact opposite here. even when pushed at porkens, nobody but the towny slots budge.

why doesn't the game want pork dead? why aren't the vultures circling him?

[Morning Tweet]

Datisis take on Pork is fair. I was definitely feeling that at some point yesterday. But perhaps some players wanted to go with the more flashy less LHF option at the time or something. Stupid me did that with Nor

But there is nothing lost shooting Pork and we only have things to learn from it

[Tipsy]

am down for porkens shots though i want to hold my shot for after he's flipped, personally.

[Menalque]

Datisi I’m probably misremembering here but didn’t QQ like slip Captain really hard or something?

[Datisi]

kinda sorta. he kept roleplaying as an officer, saying shit like "respect the uniform" and "i have to ask you for your rank" or whatever (he was a lieutenant)

granted scum did have the secondary win condition and based on their roles they also knew they should get id of any officers asap

but i'm not sure how that invalidates my point here? for scum, QQ was a better elimination than other town due to high probability of being an officer, and town!porks is surely a better elimination than scum!norwee, no?

[Menalque]

No, i don’t think it does, I just meant that maybe it’s a reason to be slightly cautious of your read on porkens in a relational sense to that specifically because your thought he was likely an officer it may have helped you TR him despite his behaviour
And if you hadn’t had that you may have incorrectly scumresd him for behaviour similar to porkens?

Idk I’m pretty tired so maybe I’m talking shit, it was like a passing thought when I saw you mention CoC and QQ

i still think porkens is likely to be scum and want him flipped

[Datisi]

i don't know

i can maybe go back and reread a bit of CoC to refresh my memory and help me make an informed decision here

or i can fall back to my second bullet point of policy vig

guess which one i'll do

[Isis]

Pandora is ready for shooty phase

[TripleHaven]

Pandora is ready for shooty phase

cute

[Morning Tweet]

Datisi/Mena's conversation end of day 1 felt pretty real, don't know if thats explicitly town indicative but it helps since i already townread them

(4) why would I need to push you as an easy push? Unless you want to argue that I’m scumpartners with either of porkens/norwee and I’m trying to keep the heat off them

So I'mma shoot Menalque in 12 hours, anyone else want to join me?

Pls dont

I guess thats just payback though

It’s like (porkens, Isis) or one in there and a bus

it literally is

Now it'd be even nuttier than it was before if Umlaut is scum, i'd prolly freak out if he really was a scum counterwagon to scum and we were still not off track there. But Pork is way better to clear off the board first

looks about right to me. i'd look again at Morning Tweet and the hydra tho. i'm not sure isis defends her scumbuddy that hard.
wouldn't be shocked if both wagons at the end of the day yesterday were scum actually.

I pretty much agree with this ya. I still like the hydra but probably not at the top tier. And judging by the umlaut wagon I *sort of* think that I am probably the most suspicious member

Quick search of MT on norwee looks kind of bad for MT.

I have a tendency to have some scum in my PoE d1, maybe vote them once or twice, and then get COMPLETELY OFF TRACK end of day. Well it's happened at least one other time anyway and this really felt like it.

I survived the next day but I actually immediately did it again to another scum where I hard defended the other exile option and vaguely suggested the scum but didn't actually bother to place my vote on them. they were done with my shit after that

Quick search of MT on norwee looks kind of bad for MT.

Why?

Lot of "eh norwee is scummy but I prefer this other person" type of statements e.g. 1102

Why do i do this!!!

I think as scum I would have probably townread Norwe for his "genuine reaction" to thinking he was hammered. Or pushed him over Pork the whole way thru as a bus. Either way i hope i wouldn't choose to fencesit, that typically doesnt end well for me

I did a whole analysis thing later in 1181 and changed to Norwe after that. I thought the part that looked worse for me was the Umlaut wagon personally but looking back I guess i didn't help the Norwe wagon until it had more momentum. Grumblegrumble

[Morning Tweet]

-cut-

And overall my best guess is probably Norwe/Umlaut/Bell actually. Weird cause I kind of like Bell

probably. But I'm sure it's totally wrong and half the scumteam are active posters that have snuck into the town bloc. That'll be fun to deal with!

VOTE: Norwe

@maxwell yeah only right after this she voted here and only came off it when I started arguing that umlaut was scum?

I blame u

jk (人･ω･)♡

TRUST in your friendly policeman ✿

current thoughts are morning/datisi still town; menalque/isis....probamaybe?? morning has been pinging me back and forth all game, but i want to believe effort/engagement/confidence still spills her town...
i'm not sure why "pork needs to go"
i think maxwell looks like a bus vote too, i agree with datisi
i also think umlaut is town

~keiji

I don't think it's max. And i do want Pork dead. Shit idk who the busser is though cause i dont think it's jjh/Tipsy/Keiji/max/Triple. Tbh I still want it be Umlaut lol. I can see why you'd think max, though, i think

in the sense that MT is probably scum

Not againnn !!!

Umlaut (4) -

Isis, Menalque, Morning Tweet, Datisi

ugh you're right

but all the same I don't think

zero

scum were on the counterwagon to Norwegian.

Yeah, but who would it even-- oh

I think I might have been if I had just stuck on norwee and not diverted over

I always feel slightly like I’ve failed when I don’t eat the NK

I can confirm I feel like a failure as well, I had so many townreads and I was on track to maybe die if wagon stuff weren't a thing. But I am really excited to get to do another round of guns. So, it could be worse!

Umlaut if you're convinced scum was on your wagon you should prolly shoot datisi

I would literally shoot everyone on that wagon over Datisi, including myself. I'm not feelin that at all

actually idk if pork/max works but haha preflip

pedit: D:
why do you hate me isis

it doesn't. (i think) I also thought max/Norwe didn't work yesterday to be honest. I'll review that sometime

I don't hate you datisi
Umlaut wagon probably all town
Menalque and tweet are really really really towny

Oh I thought that was a Datisi scumread for some reason. Disregard my overdramatic response

[Isis]

At daystart I was thinking about the strategy of shooting myself, it can help the town skip a misexile granting them another shot at getting it write without another factional nightkill happening. Then people turned out to not be that mad about my Norwee stumping so it seems unneeded

[Isis]

Write right wright right right write

[Morning Tweet]

The umlaut wagon is quite awkward for me to look at when i'm the worst looking player on it. Assume it's all town for a moment though, does the possibility of Umlaut!scum open up? Or is it Umlaut townspewed even if the counterwagon was all town? Really dont know

I don't think there's any particular reason jjh has to be town this game

I want him to be town and to solve this game for me and let me go nap though

I have an insufficient amount of answer to Datisi's question
Vaguely generally I think Umlaut Sara and Porkens maybe are scum

The whole thing where his only scumread was Norwe, as far as i can recall? I also like how he thought he was dead coming into today but that's going into WIFOM

those scumreads. i like that

Actually a bell kill makes sense from morning tweet, no? He was hard defending bell if I recall.

Am i the "he"? Or did you mean Bell was hard-defending me? From what I can remember we both townread each other most of D1 but I kind of was stumped by who the 3rd scum was so I made him my most likely incorrect townread pick.

But i totally forgot that Norwe/Bell didn't make sense on a team together so my guess was completely screwed

i think if porks flips town i'm willing to entertain the idea of MT!scum

As you probably should

But also,

gulp[/i

Idk if kanna might make that shot but I feel like she’d speak to ali before doing it and I think e’d say no and tell her to shoot jjh

Only scenario I think keiji makes that shot is if ali really just is not playing at all, but I think that’s more likely to happen if eir town

Tbh not a bad point cause if I were scum I wouldn't be aware of jjh's background (I bet it's the same for Kanna, maybe) and I'd only have his D1 to work off of meta-wise, and he wasnt a super active player D1. But also the Norwe thing, that was sort of hard to miss.

But maybe scum was thinking too little. Bell had the option of picking Umlaut or Norwe on pretty equal grounds at like a crossroad point between the wagons. It does spew him as town alright enough. But it was late-day.

I could see jjh getting kind of forgotten, cause from what i can recall, his points on Norwe were a lot earlier in the day

It's almost like scum wasn't reading the thread too closely

Or at all

Hm

[maxwell]

Why do i do this!!!

I think as scum I would have probably townread Norwe for his "genuine reaction" to thinking he was hammered. Or pushed him over Pork the whole way thru as a bus. Either way i hope i wouldn't choose to fencesit, that typically doesnt end well for me

I did a whole analysis thing later in 1181 and changed to Norwe after that. I thought the part that looked worse for me was the Umlaut wagon personally but looking back I guess i didn't help the Norwe wagon until it had more momentum. Grumblegrumble

I don't know. Sometimes it's hard to know which way the wind is blowing. But that was a quickie take and I'm not sure analysis holds up (and even then, correct-looking analysis can be wrong). Actually reading your posts in full you do not look scummy. And while you had bell as town the theory you kill him for that is goofy. Looking over the list of people I'm just kind of forced to go "who's scum??" and it is hard to find good answers. I might wake up and take a hero shot.

[Morning Tweet]

Why do i do this!!!

I think as scum I would have probably townread Norwe for his "genuine reaction" to thinking he was hammered. Or pushed him over Pork the whole way thru as a bus. Either way i hope i wouldn't choose to fencesit, that typically doesnt end well for me

I did a whole analysis thing later in 1181 and changed to Norwe after that. I thought the part that looked worse for me was the Umlaut wagon personally but looking back I guess i didn't help the Norwe wagon until it had more momentum. Grumblegrumble

I don't know. Sometimes it's hard to know which way the wind is blowing. But that was a quickie take and I'm not sure analysis holds up (and even then, correct-looking analysis can be wrong). Actually reading your posts in full you do not look scummy. And while you had bell as town the theory you kill him for that is goofy. Looking over the list of people I'm just kind of forced to go "who's scum??" and it is hard to find good answers. I might wake up and take a hero shot.

I perfectly understand why I'm being scrutinized cause I like everyone else on the Umlaut wagon more than I like how I look on it. Something like that. Nyah

[Keiji and Sara]

Alisara said the Alisae machine broke and will go brr D3, so I’m a little :c I suppose you’re stuck with me

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

keiji

do you remember in chain of command, how i said QQ is town on day 1? even though QQ was completely unreadable and refusing to participate and cooperate with us? because the wagon on him, the way the game was warping around him, just reeked of scum trying to grab that ez mislynch?

i feel the exact opposite here. even when pushed at porkens, nobody but the towny slots budge.

why doesn't the game want pork dead? why aren't the vultures circling him?

I don’t...really agree with this logic since I can see reasons why scum wouldn’t go for town!pork. One being he was LHF and like I said, there wasn’t as much reason to scumread him other than he wasn’t playing the game so it would look ugly

I just don’t understand why pork is so piviotal here and I don’t know where your read of if pork is scum etc etc and if pork is town etc etc comes from (눈‸눈)?

And well now, everyone wants pork dead so idk what that says

~keiji

[Isis]

I'm a little uncomfortable by how well and how much tweet scimcased herself in 1566

[Keiji and Sara]

but i'm not sure how that invalidates my point here? for scum, QQ was a better elimination than other town due to high probability of being an officer, and town!porks is surely a better elimination than scum!norwee, no?

This is truee, but at the same time if pork and norwee are both scum, you’d be assuming the other scum chose pork>norwee and tbh, I would choose norwee there

~keiji

[Tipsy]

pork is pivotal bc if he's town then there's probscum in some of Datisi's Towncore.

I'm a little uncomfortable by how well and how much tweet scimcased herself in 1566

same.

[Keiji and Sara]

pork is pivotal bc if he's town then there's probscum in some of Datisi's Towncore.

Am I tipsy?? I don’t understand and I don’t feel like asking further because I feel dumb

~keiji