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[Datisi]

what is scum wifom that you're avoiding here?

[VP Baltar]

Koba, I do think it's on you to win Datisi over. We know dats is town. Show us that townie self

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think datisi knows what the right vote is. He probably doesn't really need to be convinced.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Solve is probably Andres/test/icon with the way they are aligning together. They are acting desperate in a non town way. The behavioral differences seem pretty obvious to me.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I could see aldus subbing for one of them. But I really don't see myself being wrong on two.

[hellbooks]

Okay so, I’ll say this because I need to recognize this sort of thing. I’m going to start with I don’t feel like moving. The way the wagons are forming late today - I really can’t imagine that Testa flips Scum. I can’t.

Having said that, Testa’s evolution on Billy fits exactly with what you would expect from Scum that are trying to move away from a SR on Billy after figuring out that they were Town Tracker, and wanted to avoid suspicion. I’m not going to lie.

can u tell me about what wagon analysis you have that is so strong as to nullify the second statement in your general read

[Datisi]

Solve is probably Andres/test/icon with the way they are aligning together. They are acting desperate in a non town way. The behavioral differences seem pretty obvious to me.

can you talk about this? like, where is ico seeming desperate?

[Andresvmb]

I could see aldus subbing for one of them. But I really don't see myself being wrong on two.

I was going to respond to this, but why bother? You’re just going to keep posting completely wrong solves until you’re blue in the face.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't see why she thinks aldus is scummier than Andres. My not so much desperation on his part as not making sense.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Maybe not my.

[NoPowerOverMe]

How do you know I'm wrong unless you're scum.

[Andresvmb]

Okay so, I’ll say this because I need to recognize this sort of thing. I’m going to start with I don’t feel like moving. The way the wagons are forming late today - I really can’t imagine that Testa flips Scum. I can’t.

Having said that, Testa’s evolution on Billy fits exactly with what you would expect from Scum that are trying to move away from a SR on Billy after figuring out that they were Town Tracker, and wanted to avoid suspicion. I’m not going to lie.

can u tell me about what wagon analysis you have that is so strong as to nullify the second statement in your general read

Say you feel really strongly that NPOM is Town (mis-execute bait, whatever), and you trust Ico because Datisi/Bob/Billy all agreed in different ways that Ico is Town [and that is exactly how I feel]. And say you agree that VPB is near Comfirmed Town, as others appear to be treating the slot. Then your 3 Scum are in Me/Aldus/Koba/Testa yeah? If you see how both Testa and Koba have been acting around the Aldus slot, aren’t you nearly convinced that the slot flips Scum? And if you have NPOM wrong, the statements from NPOM also appear to be trying to move you away from that solve. So even if you don’t trust me at all, and think I’m completely bullshitting you, aren’t you still good with that vote?

At some point you’re going to have to take a leap of faith. If you have a strong case against me, then put it out there and let the chips fall where they may.

[Andresvmb]

How do you know I'm wrong unless you're scum.

You’re wrong because I’m Town and Ico is nearly always Town. Ico is the Towniest player in the list of possibilities. The fact that you can’t see that almost always cost us the game if you’re Town. Now if you’re Scum I don’t care keep pushing this nonsense.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm willing to consider aldus scum. But the more I hear from Andres the more I think he's town.

[Alduskkel]

@Aldus:
I figure you were still scumreading me throughout the game also on D2, yes? I take that by you asking Koba why they came (for whatever reasons) around townreading me for D2 that you had a different opinion.

Why were you never pushing for me or trying to interact with me on D2? I mean you were scumreading me on D1 and pushed for me. Yet once janko flipped town, who was the counterwagon to my wagon (together with revival of bobwagon, whom you thought to be town) there never really came much from you regarding me on D2. I think if you were genuinely scumreading me the outcome of D1 should have made you particular suspicious about me as I was even one of the earlier votes on the jankowagon.

I got sidetracked by the claim shenanigans and IRL stuff. And then I also got confused by Koba suddenly townreading you.

I know that's not a great explanation but yeah.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Andres test icon makes the most sense from a who's actually acting scummy and who's standing up for each other standpoint.

[Alduskkel]

I'm sad that the Andres and NPOW wagons dried up. I'm definitely willing to vote Testarossa but I'm also considering that my own elimination might be better in the long run.

[Andresvmb]

Koba, NPOM and Aldus are pushing me relatively hard, and Testa has voted me in days prior to this one. How am I ever Scum? Purely from a strategic point of view, one of those players would be defending me hard

today

. Nobody is because I need to be kept as an option for the Scum to win.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Non logic there

[NoPowerOverMe]

For scum to win they need two mis elims right? Doesn't matter who.

[Alduskkel]

Koba, NPOM and Aldus are pushing me relatively hard, and Testa has voted me in days prior to this one. How am I ever Scum? Purely from a strategic point of view, one of those players would be defending me hard

today

. Nobody is because I need to be kept as an option for the Scum to win.

I think there's a mixture of soft/hard bussing going on. Soft from Testa and hard from NPOM

[Andresvmb]

whats ur poe again? -koba

Kill all hydras.

Aldus, NPOM, you, Andres.

I made my point why I am not seeing Ico as scum, so it literally leaves you four.

This is the strongest defense I got from Testa. How is my logic faulty? Please NPOM, enlighten us.

[Andresvmb]

For scum to win they need two mis elims right? Doesn't matter who.

And EVERYBODY has left me open. And I got pushed hard by plenty of players to start the day here. I get it that you’re not using your head. But you should at least have a soft inclination that I’m at least a potential mis-execute.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Town need to correct lynch more than scum today. We're pushing you because you're scummy.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You're the furthest player from a misexecute. If anything you think you can talk your way out of anything and your actions have no consequences.