Mini Theme 2158: Cards of Destiny Mafia Game Over

[Kaname Date]

I’m tinfoil looking into a Kamane-Ampharos pairing

is it

that

tinfoil, FL?

pedit: apparently my interactions with D&D were bad. i can sort of see it from the outsider's perspective, but i trust FL about as far as i could throw him.

i don't like his outward paranoia about being wrong here.

the argument i'm scum with D&D i think ignores that i should have been prepared for that scumflip.

Mars's suspicion i buy more, especially with what she decided to question. i'm wondering what her opinion is on my response.

You’re tr my suspicion on you more than FL’s? Wrt the bolded, what don’t you like about it? Can you elaborate on that?

But we can’t possibly know that was the case right? You’re asking us to take your word for that.

Can you make a current readslist with explanations for those reads? I think that would be super helpful.

Thanks.

~Mars

the posts you picked to question me on fit with my understanding of you as a player and how you solve, and i could see why you were asking about them. that and i already had you as a good TR from day 1. i should probably also take D&D into account here thought truthfully i hadn't factored it into the read yet.

as for FL, he

is

probably town but i cannot shake this feeling that he's performing for someone. but the fact that i find it so hard to trust him is actually also a towntell, maybe.

also, what i mean by "scum me should have been prepared for D&D's scumflip" is that i didn't do anything to save D&D or condemn them for towncred, i just let the wagon happen.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Why are you specifying in an “out of game sort of way”? But I do buy that I mistook that for sarcasm.

I think DnD were far more scummier than Pepper was yesterday, so not sure if how I feel about this answer.

because Amy's response didn't really effect my read. it's endearing in an out of game sort of way because it was an out of game feeling.

on Pepper: not my only SR, but was my preferred. however, almost assuredly town given the vengeful claim. it's almost moot because as someone said, the correct play is to elim the vengeful anyway.

Why is that the correct play if you’re convinced he’s now town?

Also, I don’t think it necessarily proves anything. I’ve also seen vengeful scum roles as well. If he’s town, it’s his attitude about being executed that is may be possibly town indicative. The claim itself is NAI atp.

~M

[Kaname Date]

town: VMP, Hayasaka
towny: Gamma, tris, Fish
vengeful town: Pepper
Flavor Leaf tier: FL

leftovers: NM, Amy, jjh

jjh probably deserves to be higher but i've done zero real examination of the slot.

[Kaname Date]

i'm only convinced he's town because elimming him is the correct play. assuming scum is aware of that, claiming vengeful is just a shortcut to Pepper being eliminated.

if i were to say the claim makes him town and therefore we should elim someone else, then the claim no longer makes him town because i've just given reason for scum to make the claim.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I’m tinfoil looking into a Kamane-Ampharos pairing

is it

that

tinfoil, FL?

pedit: apparently my interactions with D&D were bad. i can sort of see it from the outsider's perspective, but i trust FL about as far as i could throw him.

i don't like his outward paranoia about being wrong here.

the argument i'm scum with D&D i think ignores that i should have been prepared for that scumflip.

Mars's suspicion i buy more, especially with what she decided to question. i'm wondering what her opinion is on my response.

You’re tr my suspicion on you more than FL’s? Wrt the bolded, what don’t you like about it? Can you elaborate on that?

But we can’t possibly know that was the case right? You’re asking us to take your word for that.

Can you make a current readslist with explanations for those reads? I think that would be super helpful.

Thanks.

~Mars

the posts you picked to question me on fit with my understanding of you as a player and how you solve, and i could see why you were asking about them. that and i already had you as a good TR from day 1. i should probably also take D&D into account here thought truthfully i hadn't factored it into the read yet.

as for FL, he

is

probably town but i cannot shake this feeling that he's performing for someone. but the fact that i find it so hard to trust him is actually also a towntell, maybe.

also, what i mean by "scum me should have been prepared for D&D's scumflip" is that i didn't do anything to save D&D or condemn them for towncred, i just let the wagon happen.

This is true but then no one other than obviously DnD actually did seem opposed. So scum either chose to just let them die or bus, so unfortunately that isn’t necessarily clearing.

I know I don’t want to execute Gamma, fish, hya, FL, jjh, so that leaves you, Tris, Amy, Pepper, NM. So who do you think is scum from that group? If you don’t want to execute Amy and now think Pepper’s town, that leaves just Tris, NM and you haven’t expressed any sr on Tris afaik,

So who is scum?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

town: VMP, Hayasaka
towny: Gamma, tris, Fish
vengeful town: Pepper
Flavor Leaf tier: FL

leftovers: NM, Amy, jjh

jjh probably deserves to be higher but i've done zero real examination of the slot.

Okay, you’ve answered that.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm only convinced he's town because elimming him is the correct play. assuming scum is aware of that, claiming vengeful is just a shortcut to Pepper being eliminated.

if i were to say the claim makes him town and therefore we should elim someone else, then the claim no longer makes him town because i've just given reason for scum to make the claim.

So, you think we should either execute/Hya gladiate Pepper and have him venge NM/Amy/jjh, correct?

I wouldn’t support jjh. Not opposed to NM. If Amy flips scum, than Tris is probably spewed town from that, since extremely unlikely to have an SvS hood and obviously vice-versa.

@Amy, can we get a current readslist please?

And what is your current read on Tris?

~M

[jjh927]

You know, I think NM might just be it

And by it I mean both the inevitable elimination of the day and also scum

VOTE: NM

[jjh927]

Still think Amy is town btw

[jjh927]

Also sense check says what I allowed myself to think was strategy day 1 is actually kinda useless due to the lack of people who would NK me N1 in this game, unlike the previous game I was in where it was actually really neat info for solving that I remained alive

[jjh927]

So yeah I should probably start playing like I used to again if I'm still capable of that because I can't really expect people to follow me on naked voting scum

[tris]

Still think Amy is town btw

help me see that

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Just re-ISO’d DnD for the impteenth time and NM, Pepper and Amy are literally the only slots they never directly interacted with.

DnD was hard tr Amy until KD wasn’t. BEF/FL’s with DnD interactions definitely don’t read partnery.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@Amy, do you have any other games - preferably both a towngame and a scumgame I could look at?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Still think Amy is town btw

Who is currently in your PoE other than NM obviously?

~M

[jjh927]

Still think Amy is town btw

Who is currently in your PoE other than NM obviously?

~M

FL

I acknowledge it's probably time to revisit a few of my day 1 townreads but a scumflip doesn't really push me to do that.

[DoctorPepper]

Guys, I would actually advocate my elimination today because I think we can use my ability, now that I have claimed scum might want to NK me instead

[DoctorPepper]

But also, I am willing to say that a push on my slot is assuredly scum-initiated. Super easy to just push for the Miselim of the guy who practically disappeared.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I'm the jester

Vengeful townie

we can potentially go Not Mafia

Porque no los dos?

917 doesn’t look jestery.

~M

[Kaname Date]

i was under the impression this wasn't a bastard game.

eliminating Pepper to hit NM still seems like the ideal outcome of this day to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m always performing

[tris]

you know, me a Kaname have very similar reads. i'm not sure what that means though

[tris]

even down to not having given jjh much thought.

[tris]

town: VMP, Hayasaka
towny: Gamma, tris, Fish
vengeful town: Pepper
Flavor Leaf tier: FL

leftovers: NM, Amy, jjh

jjh probably deserves to be higher but i've done zero real examination of the slot.

like swap my name out for kaname's and i can't see anything i'd change. maybe a bit on the characterization of the drp category.

on that note actually, i'd like an explanation of why it is correct to fade the vengeful claim

[Ampharos]

gonna take enough rain checks to open up a rain bank this game

might have time to post semi-seriously tomorrow

mostly agree with KD re: we should probably dunk DrP to kill N_M