Mini Theme 2158: Cards of Destiny Mafia Game Over

[Kaname Date]

i don't think Amy's posting on D&D particularly attaches them as partners. it seems like she could have done something besides vote NM to get a stronger counterwagon for D&D, but that's not the supreme indicator of alignment i would like it to be. she might just have not predicted D&D would need the help. still, it's pretty much the same as what i remember my own feelings about D&D being which is why i'm unsurprised to see the two of us lumped together this day.

Amy, i think it would be faster to ask than to try and comb through your ISO again for it, but what was the reason for my fall in your reads, again?

[Kaname Date]

I maintained the maximum online rating in Mario Kart Wii for about a month straight using exclusively the Wii Wheel.

I was one game away from Mythic on MTG Arena before I went on a 6 game losing streak and then rotation made my deck terrible.

I can bend my pinky all the way back to touch the back of my hand.

My life is nothing if not a series of odd flexes.

i don't... love this post, though. doubling down on the odd flex joke in a soft self-defense kind of way just has a little too much self-consciousness for me to continue reading it as a joke.

[MariaR]

VC 2.Glad

Hayasaka(0):
DoctorPepper (2): Not_Mafia, BrightEyedFish
Not Voting (9): Venus Mars and Pluto, DoctorPepper, Gamma Emerald. tris, Flavor Leaf, Ampharos, Hayasaka, jjh927, Kaname Date

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-12 23:28:43)

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to fade away

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

also @anyone, let me know if there's something specific you want my input on, i apologize for still not having read everything in a way that isn't piecemeal. i will.

Yes, I would really like to know what history outside this game if any, you have with either member of DnD. Depending on your answer, I have a possible theory wrt your interactions with that slot or more accurately, their interactions with you. Thanks.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

FL, gun to head does N_M flip town or scum? "null" not a valid answer for the purposes of this exercise

Why is “null” not a valid response? I too thought NM’s behaviour was scum indicative until I read Pepper’s post about him play identically and being a TPR.

for the record i also do not want ampharos shot today

i ALSO do not want KD shot today, mostly because i want N_M shot today

Why would KD be shot today? Who is even advocating for that?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I see posts directed at me and people want my thoughts on NM.

I think in general NM is playing to his scum meta.
Their is 2 arguments
- NM can't be read.
- NM should be dealt with later.

I consider both these arguments to not actually matter. I think if NM is scum he should always be flipped you want to flip mafia in this game, that is a given and that argument sucks.
If he is truly unreadable then we want him dead now, since apparently no amount of information will help us read him.
I'd rather have more info down the line when lynching between Amy and Flavor Leaf. Idk it's just the town mentality towards wanting to be a hero, and I don't think I can change that over a small set of posts.

So hypothetically if NM is unreadable he should die so we can solve other players with more info on later days.

One sentence, please ISO FL in Post Apocalypse.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Oi, I thought Nancy was Venus, Auro was Mars, and Shiro was Pluto this whole time

Nope

Shiro and Nancy also had one with Krazy where they had the same names but Krazy was Mercury

Sailor Senshi. Shiro’s dream is to have an entire Sailor hydra which would be 9 people and if we throw in TM, that would make it 10, no joke.

~M

Can’t wait tbh

Come join us. We have 5 more planets spots available, one for Sailor Moon and another possible one for Tuxedo Mask.

Direct all inquiries to Shiro aka Sailor Venus.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Let's put this to rest.

I've been playing casually since 2011, seriously since 2016. I'm a site administrator at MafiaUniverse.com.

Assertions that I'm new are incorrect as well as annoying, and I guarantee you that's NAI.

Yeah I don’t think someone of this experience level would be self-conscious like I was initially thinking, or feel much need to play defensively regarding mechanics
UNVOTE:

hmmm

I think my feeling of weirdness re: Gamma is more that I didn't read Ampharos' post as self-conscious at all, and even if you assumed that she was new to mafia, I still wouldn't have read her posts as self-conscious, so calling them such seems off to me. Iirc there were several people calling Ampharos towny for outing the neighborhood,

so it feels like this could be a shallow attempt to prevent her from becoming a universal TR, if that makes sense

This post still bothers me.

~M

Why?
Tbh that’s probably a decent point for Amphy!town, it reads as TMI

It might if it wasn’t so extremely over the top.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

let me rework that readslist

==strong v==
Hayasaka
VMP

==weaker v==
jjh
BEF
Gamma

==weakest v==
tris
Flavor Leaf

==scumlean via PoE==
KD

==kill this==
Not_Mafia

if i'm lazy and lock in a scumread on KD i arrive at a team of N_M/KD and... probably one of tris/BEF. of all the people in the middle 2 tiers, they're probably the ones with the weakest/laziest reasons to be there? lots of gut impressions, not a ton of empirical analysis

@Amy, are you ever planning to address the clear contradictions between these two posts? How BEF is 4th in 1046 and in your PoE in 1047? Considering these posts were back to back, this really doesn’t make a lot of sensr.

Number of times, I’ve asked Amy this question and failed to get a response:

Count: 2, 3 if I need to ask it a fourth time.

Yes Amy, if I literally need to keep a running total of how many times, I need to keep asking you the samegoddamned question before you actually answer it, I definitely will.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I just find N_M will solve, will have high post density.
But will just never explain anything as town.

And I don't particularly take issue with the first 2 lines. I think is actual current lack of presence is incredibly bizarre for him.
From a crowd analysis standpoint he also isn't under much if any pressure which just strikes me as odd for a field that should be full of scum?

Definitely something I hadn’t thought of - do you mean you’d expect a town!NM to be more low hanging fruit-y and that scum would be trying to drive or set up a miselim on him?

- Daenerys

Call me crazy but this completely neutral reaction doesn’t make me auto leap to the conclusion that NM is a lock buddy here.

~M

Does no one have any thoughts about 627?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I don't think NM is town, I think he is NM. This is how he plays regardless of alignment. In our last game together he turned out being a town PR.

Which leads me to this. I have 24 hours from hammer to decide on my venge.

do not hammer me right away

. I will state who I want to venge in thread. I say we give the person a chance to claim and if we still wanna push through, then hammer and I send my venge vote.

Could you please link that game? I believe but it would be extremely helpful to actually read that game for myself.

~M

[Kaname Date]

also @anyone, let me know if there's something specific you want my input on, i apologize for still not having read everything in a way that isn't piecemeal. i will.

Yes, I would really like to know what history outside this game if any, you have with either member of DnD. Depending on your answer, I have a possible theory wrt your interactions with that slot or more accurately, their interactions with you. Thanks.

~Mars

i have no experience with lilith before this game.
SirCakez i've been in games with before, but i don't remember any real specifics of his playstyle.

on 627, i read it, i also don't think that counts as evidence of NM being a lockbuddy. did someone argue that?
i do think it's easily something scum could say about a buddy.

[Kaname Date]

my concern with Amy's readslist is how i became a PoE scumread when she was TRing me before. that alone isn't a problem, but when there are two tiers of TRs she describes as weak, i wonder how i managed to fall so far. it doesn't sound like the read changed due to D&D interactions.

[tris]

i haven't really done much iso'ing, but i think it's time i do that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

also @anyone, let me know if there's something specific you want my input on, i apologize for still not having read everything in a way that isn't piecemeal. i will.

Yes, I would really like to know what history outside this game if any, you have with either member of DnD. Depending on your answer, I have a possible theory wrt your interactions with that slot or more accurately, their interactions with you. Thanks.

~Mars

i have no experience with lilith before this game.
SirCakez i've been in games with before, but i don't remember any real specifics of his playstyle.

on 627, i read it, i also don't think that counts as evidence of NM being a lockbuddy. did someone argue that?
i do think it's easily something scum could say about a buddy.

I was saying that DnD reaction seemed somewhere between neutral and disinterested which seemed to point away from him being a DnD buddy but yeah it’s very weak.

my concern with Amy's readslist is how i became a PoE scumread when she was TRing me before. that alone isn't a problem, but when there are two tiers of TRs she describes as weak, i wonder how i managed to fall so far. it doesn't sound like the read changed due to D&D interactions.

Her entire readslist makes no sense is my position. She still hasn’t explained any of it and especially how BEF in two back to back posts, went from being her 4th top town to her PoE. I really don’t like how she continues to cherry-pick which of my questions to answer.

Anyway, my theory was based on your current answer is that you look like a DnD pocket and that they were trying to tie you to her. The fact they they immediately changed their Amy read right after yours, is the main reason I think this. Also their reaction to your Pepper vote.

I also don’t think Amy should get townpoints for not wanting to kill you because trying to get both you and NM killed would obviously look really bad for her and force us into a possible you v her thing, with her clearly losing. so pushing NM is the much safer route for her irrespective of her alignment.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

where did the blush come from?

That must have happened when I bolded that part of FL’s post.

~M

Tend to have that effect.

I didn’t think about the neighborhood, responding to the other post.

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

ugh. i'm gonna be light SRing Ampharos for the whole game, partly in reaction to the townreads she's accruing. what makes this difficult is she's working with a different site culture than what i'm used to. and her play looks high-level, which isn't AI but does always succeed in pressing the paranoia button.
i agree with her takes, i think. to echo her thoughts on Flavor Leaf, i need to see her really push something.

you know, I think I have to take a step back a bit on my ampharos read as well. I thought her presence in the beginning of the game was strong and initially townread her for that, but it’s dropped off a lot since then so she’s probably now close to null for me.

- Daenerys

This post looks anti-partnery for KD.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ugh. i'm gonna be light SRing Ampharos for the whole game, partly in reaction to the townreads she's accruing. what makes this difficult is she's working with a different site culture than what i'm used to. and her play looks high-level, which isn't AI but does always succeed in pressing the paranoia button.
i agree with her takes, i think. to echo her thoughts on Flavor Leaf, i need to see her really push something.

you know, I think I have to take a step back a bit on my ampharos read as well. I thought her presence in the beginning of the game was strong and initially townread her for that, but it’s dropped off a lot since then so she’s probably now close to null for me.

- Daenerys

This post looks anti-partnery for KD.

~M

[Ampharos]

let me rework that readslist

==strong v==
Hayasaka
VMP

==weaker v==
jjh
BEF
Gamma

==weakest v==
tris
Flavor Leaf

==scumlean via PoE==
KD

==kill this==
Not_Mafia

if i'm lazy and lock in a scumread on KD i arrive at a team of N_M/KD and... probably one of tris/BEF. of all the people in the middle 2 tiers, they're probably the ones with the weakest/laziest reasons to be there? lots of gut impressions, not a ton of empirical analysis

@Amy, are you ever planning to address the clear contradictions between these two posts? How BEF is 4th in 1046 and in your PoE in 1047? Considering these posts were back to back, this really doesn’t make a lot of sensr.

Number of times, I’ve asked Amy this question and failed to get a response:

Count: 2, 3 if I need to ask it a fourth time.

Yes Amy, if I literally need to keep a running total of how many times, I need to keep asking you the samegoddamned question before you actually answer it, I definitely will.

~M

i apologize but it's easy for me to miss things when i come back to 10 questions from you every time i leave the thread

trying to figure out how to articulate my internal process, because that string of posts was very much thinking out loud stream-of-consciousness type shit. that second post was largely approached from an angle of "if my bottom 2 are correct, where's the third?" and i find that the answer to that question

usually

isn't "the other person at the bottom of the list".

thinking through my list led me to realize that tris/BEF were the reads i had that were most tied to "vibes"/vague feelings of villageriness, whereas other people on the list had more concrete reasoning even if placed lower. so if i'm looking for a misclear, those sorts of slots are the slots i approach first, which is how you get from 1046 to 1047

readslists are a crapshoot anyways and should be used more as a tool for thought organization than objective analysis. honestly if you ever find my strictly following my readslist to the letter you can dunk me on the spot, because my progressions are WAY cleaner and "logical" when i'm mafia

[Ampharos]

i don't think Amy's posting on D&D particularly attaches them as partners. it seems like she could have done something besides vote NM to get a stronger counterwagon for D&D, but that's not the supreme indicator of alignment i would like it to be. she might just have not predicted D&D would need the help. still, it's pretty much the same as what i remember my own feelings about D&D being which is why i'm unsurprised to see the two of us lumped together this day.

Amy, i think it would be faster to ask than to try and comb through your ISO again for it, but what was the reason for my fall in your reads, again?

more an abundance of villagery behavior on the part of the rest of the game than anyone else.

i look at other slots, i can think of a couple of decent reasons to call them a villager. i can approach the game from that angle

i look at your slot and i get... not a ton. very medium feelings. your posts are fine, i find myself nodding along plenty, but there's nothing i can find that i could point to and say "i don't think a wolf could/would do this"

hence, PoE

[Ampharos]

i don't think Amy's posting on D&D particularly attaches them as partners. it seems like she could have done something besides vote NM to get a stronger counterwagon for D&D, but that's not the supreme indicator of alignment i would like it to be. she might just have not predicted D&D would need the help. still, it's pretty much the same as what i remember my own feelings about D&D being which is why i'm unsurprised to see the two of us lumped together this day.

Amy, i think it would be faster to ask than to try and comb through your ISO again for it, but what was the reason for my fall in your reads, again?

more an abundance of villagery behavior on the part of the rest of the game than anyone else.

i look at other slots, i can think of a couple of decent reasons to call them a villager. i can approach the game from that angle

i look at your slot and i get... not a ton. very medium feelings. your posts are fine, i find myself nodding along plenty, but there's nothing i can find that i could point to and say "i don't think a wolf could/would do this"

hence, PoE

[Ampharos]

Why would KD be shot today? Who is even advocating for that?

~M

a solid chunk of the game (or at least the louder portions) seem to have established some dichotomy between KD and myself, which is what i was speaking to

[Ampharos]

Let's put this to rest.

I've been playing casually since 2011, seriously since 2016. I'm a site administrator at MafiaUniverse.com.

Assertions that I'm new are incorrect as well as annoying, and I guarantee you that's NAI.

Yeah I don’t think someone of this experience level would be self-conscious like I was initially thinking, or feel much need to play defensively regarding mechanics
UNVOTE:

hmmm

I think my feeling of weirdness re: Gamma is more that I didn't read Ampharos' post as self-conscious at all, and even if you assumed that she was new to mafia, I still wouldn't have read her posts as self-conscious, so calling them such seems off to me. Iirc there were several people calling Ampharos towny for outing the neighborhood,

so it feels like this could be a shallow attempt to prevent her from becoming a universal TR, if that makes sense

This post still bothers me.

~M

Why?
Tbh that’s probably a decent point for Amphy!town, it reads as TMI

It might if it wasn’t so extremely over the top.

~M

elaborate on this?

[Ampharos]

ugh. i'm gonna be light SRing Ampharos for the whole game, partly in reaction to the townreads she's accruing. what makes this difficult is she's working with a different site culture than what i'm used to. and her play looks high-level, which isn't AI but does always succeed in pressing the paranoia button.
i agree with her takes, i think. to echo her thoughts on Flavor Leaf, i need to see her really push something.

you know, I think I have to take a step back a bit on my ampharos read as well. I thought her presence in the beginning of the game was strong and initially townread her for that, but it’s dropped off a lot since then so she’s probably now close to null for me.

- Daenerys

This post looks anti-partnery for KD.

~M

i... actually agree with this

alright so i'm bad at mafia

and if N_M's town then i'm

really

bad at mafia

where am i fucking up here

[Ampharos]

bleh

i'm stuck in this mental rut where i really REALLY wanna see a Not_Mafia flip and it's monopolizing my entire worldview

because if he's town, there are two players in this game that i'm just HARD misreading

and i don't like that.