Open 792: Masons and Monks GAME OVER

[Joey_]

Claiming PR also would force an IC out, get rxns, dodging the lynch pool etc

So we agree the flip pool is ; toadpool/hoothoot/monkey/cakez/buldge/kitty

Can you translate this

Well, I am used to chat mafia where fake claims are common for both alignement.

A classic; fake claim masons with someone who you pocketed.

Another classic: Or when everyone is massclaiming, claim to be a pr. If the amount of claimed PR is exceeding what is expexted, retract and play it cool. If an actual PR is not claiming, take their spot, hunt for it and set them up for a CC down the road. This is also useful to find PR that want to stay hidden; you claim their role and they will flip shit then play it cool. Also in this very context, PR were claimed so they wouldnt be in the lynch pool. It’s another possible gain as scum with no downside because you only keep the claim if the other PR (hidden or IC) let’s you keep it.

Only gains, no lost. This is a side of mafia that is usefull irl and in chatmafia but extremely rarely ever useful in forum mefia. The argument a50 used about the behavior having no incentive as scum because it’s a scumclaim, is exactly the very same rationale that permit this kind of play; it’s too scummy to be scum... but is it?

I wasn’t shading dundun, but I was disagreeing with a50 about being this naïve about the move. But I also agreeded that in most circumstances, it’s only a bunch of very ballsy players who do this so the “overall” rational of a50 I agreed with. So I agreed both ways; aGar and a50.

I think a50 is also biaised because he’s the one who asked for a town to lie, so he was appealing to town in his mind and then assumed that dundun answered the call, therefore biaised in believing he’s town for that. I think the dundun argument that he was deliberately asked to fake claim justify his claim is total bullshit though. Fakeclaiming for memes is a better reason in this case than because someone asked you to

[brassherald]

DrDolittle replaces Elements

[Almost50]

I didn't "assume". I

knew

. Why else would Dunn quote my request??

Let me put it another way.. I have a way of communicating with some players under certain circumstances, and this was one of them. If Dunn had claimed w.o. the quote I wouldn't have been able to tell until he retracted, but with the quote I just knew he was doing exactly what I requested him to do.

Did you know I also knew your slot was a PR? Because Maria had crumbed it in 40, which is why I never bothered to actually tackle her (me and Maria usually end up having some interesting duels).

Bottom line: Sometimes it takes a bit more than "text book instructions" to read the game. I bet nobody took post #40 for anything more than fluff.

[davesaz]

Not sure how you took that as a crumb.

[Joey_]

I didn't "assume". I

knew

. Why else would Dunn quote my request??

Let me put it another way.. I have a way of communicating with some players under certain circumstances, and this was one of them. If Dunn had claimed w.o. the quote I wouldn't have been able to tell until he retracted, but with the quote I just knew he was doing exactly what I requested him to do.

Did you know I also knew your slot was a PR? Because Maria had crumbed it in 40, which is why I never bothered to actually tackle her (me and Maria usually end up having some interesting duels).

Bottom line: Sometimes it takes a bit more than "text book instructions" to read the game. I bet nobody took post #40 for anything more than fluff.

Lole

Honestly a50, you probably are a much better player than me in about anything related to forum mafia. That being said, when it comes to rxn reads and stuff like that, forum mafia people are still playing in the kindergarden

Your post was abso-lutely fucking obvious. Dundun”s citing said post was also fucking obv-vious. It’s wasn’t even “textbook”, it was “Dictionnary” level. it’s the literal prototype of a safe fake claim and it was in the most basic way.

About #40, I replaced-in this slot from skimming and knowing it was a townclaim. Softing PR in this setup is just domdom but not the same as fake claiming

[Joey_]

Not sure how you took that as a crumb.

Nvm about 40, I assumed it was the post xayaz claimed non-vt. I meant 246

[dramonic]

I have a way of communicating with some players under certain circumstances

That sounds vaguely like something

against the rules

[Joey_]

It was wasn’t clear = the more easily a fakeclaim can be objectively justified, the safer it is, the less pro-town it could be.
Since guess what, if it’s that obvious, why would scum be fooled when they actually PR hunt much more than town do? Why would you not assume that with a bas fake claim, you arent going to hinder/fool more town than scum?

An actualy pro town fakeclaim? You go balls deep and lie like scum to deceive them while still out towntelling them. You don’t have an exit because you wouldn’t need one. And scum has to believe you because you are town and lie to town

[Almost50]

I have a way of communicating with some players under certain circumstances

That sounds vaguely like something

against the rules

Not at all. If I know you well I know how to read you. If you also know me well you know how to read me. The only way to avoid this is by playing under anonymous accounts each game (and then some players may still be able to recognize other players all the same)

[Almost50]

Not sure how you took that as a crumb.

Well, she certainly wasn't claiming Werewolf with "Worry worry..".

[dramonic]

bleh

replace out, sorry mod

[Joey_]

looks like a s replace out to me, but eh

[SirCakez]

Claiming PR also would force an IC out, get rxns, dodging the lynch pool etc

So we agree the flip pool is ; toadpool/hoothoot/monkey/cakez/buldge/kitty

Can you translate this

Well, I am used to chat mafia where fake claims are common for both alignement.

A classic; fake claim masons with someone who you pocketed.

Another classic: Or when everyone is massclaiming, claim to be a pr. If the amount of claimed PR is exceeding what is expexted, retract and play it cool. If an actual PR is not claiming, take their spot, hunt for it and set them up for a CC down the road. This is also useful to find PR that want to stay hidden; you claim their role and they will flip shit then play it cool. Also in this very context, PR were claimed so they wouldnt be in the lynch pool. It’s another possible gain as scum with no downside because you only keep the claim if the other PR (hidden or IC) let’s you keep it.

Only gains, no lost. This is a side of mafia that is usefull irl and in chatmafia but extremely rarely ever useful in forum mefia. The argument a50 used about the behavior having no incentive as scum because it’s a scumclaim, is exactly the very same rationale that permit this kind of play; it’s too scummy to be scum... but is it?

I wasn’t shading dundun, but I was disagreeing with a50 about being this naïve about the move. But I also agreeded that in most circumstances, it’s only a bunch of very ballsy players who do this so the “overall” rational of a50 I agreed with. So I agreed both ways; aGar and a50.

I think a50 is also biaised because he’s the one who asked for a town to lie, so he was appealing to town in his mind and then assumed that dundun answered the call, therefore biaised in believing he’s town for that. I think the dundun argument that he was deliberately asked to fake claim justify his claim is total bullshit though. Fakeclaiming for memes is a better reason in this case than because someone asked you to

I meant in reference to your nicknames for people in the pool

[SirCakez]

Wtf is A50 talking about

[davesaz]

Elements, dramonic, A50 are the ones you're probably having trouble with right?

[Joey_]

hoot hoot = dram
toadpool = elements
monkey = a50

[brassherald]

bleh

replace out, sorry mod

I guess starting a replacement search. Please remember that you should be doing this by PM.

[brassherald]

The faces just keep changing

Votecount 2.08

dramonic (2):

The Bulge, davesaz

DrDolittle (2):

Almost50, Dunnstral

Almost50 (1):

SirCakez

davesaz (1):

dramonic

Dunnstral (1):

AGar

Joey_ (1):

DrDolittle

Not Voting (2):

Malakittens, Joey_

With 10 in residence, it takes 6 votes to send someone down the mountain.
Day 2 will end in who knows?
searching for a dramonic replacement

[DrDolittle]

whats the story, morning glory

[DrDolittle]

exciting i remember playing with joey_ and the nicknames stuff

[DrDolittle]

i cant find the setup in the first post lmao

[DrDolittle]

tbh im content with just twiddling my thumbs here and let the blue and red goonies kill themselves for a bit

[DrDolittle]

dunnstral is probably scum
VOTE: dunn

[SirCakez]

hoot hoot = dram
toadpool = elements
monkey = a50

Thx

dunnstral is probably scum
VOTE: dunn

Lmao

[davesaz]

tbh im content with just twiddling my thumbs here and let the blue and red goonies kill themselves for a bit

So your thought is that you should just do (very) little and see how that works?
I'd rather it not go that way. You're one of the leading candidates to be eliminated.