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[TheGoldenParadox]

zzz about to crash but quick thoughts

looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on ico

why does town!shelly imply town!ico?

good question, and one that i spent a decent bit of time thinking about. i'll try to give a more logic based answer to this later, but i'm leaning towards ico and shelly being the same alignment just based off shelly's following of ico and ico's almost working with shelly. that being said, scum!ico might just be trying to pocket town!shelly, so it gives ico a handful of townpoints i'll need to see the shelly/ico interaction later today.
that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

[Tayl0r Swift]

would people prefer to run up a bunch of people asap, or to just no-lunch today? i'm getting frustrated we feel so far from a consensus.

this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it

for full disclosure, i was bored and avoiding work i had to, and this didn't necessarily reflect my heartfelt opinion at the time, nor at present.

However, I do not feel bad for posting it.

I simply feel negatively towards you for trying to guilt trip me for being a bad employee.

sorry you dont get to make scummy posts and then just say "i didnt mean it!!!"

[Datisi]

that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

huh, my thoughts are pretty much opposite, i can see t/s (or maybe even t/t?) sooner than s/s (since kinda seems like a bold way for partners to interact?)

but also i'm scumreading shelly and townreading ico so maybe there's that

[Noraa]

zzz about to crash but quick thoughts

looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on ico

why does town!shelly imply town!ico?

good question, and one that i spent a decent bit of time thinking about. i'll try to give a more logic based answer to this later, but i'm leaning towards ico and shelly being the same alignment just based off shelly's following of ico and ico's almost working with shelly. that being said, scum!ico might just be trying to pocket town!shelly, so it gives ico a handful of townpoints i'll need to see the shelly/ico interaction later today.
that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

I think the opposite actually. I can see shelly pocketing ico or ico pocketing shelly here and I'm fairly certain they are not the same alignment. All this buddy buddy shit is not rubbing the right way for me

[Noraa]

that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

huh, my thoughts are pretty much opposite, i can see t/s (or maybe even t/t?) sooner than s/s (since kinda seems like a bold way for partners to interact?)

but also i'm scumreading shelly and townreading ico so maybe there's that

I should've just read on but Datisi explained it better

[TheGoldenParadox]

that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

huh, my thoughts are pretty much opposite, i can see t/s (or maybe even t/t?) sooner than s/s (since kinda seems like a bold way for partners to interact?)

but also i'm scumreading shelly and townreading ico so maybe there's that

i guess it does seem bold, but with shelly being a newbie and all i can see scum!ico just telling shelly to follow his lead and it was taken too far? scum!shelly seems a lot like it implies scum!ico, and i don't see those slots being T/S. shelly/ico/bm seems absolutely like a viable scumteam to me.

[Datisi]

from what i know of shelly, she might be new but she isn't a newb

not sure i see it, chief. i'll be rereading isos tomorrow anyway, i'll keep an eye out for that.

[Noraa]

Shelly is not a noob. She's an SE and she doesn't play like a noob either

[TheGoldenParadox]

okay, that's interesting. i didn't know that, but that makes the shelly/ico interaction super interesting.

would people prefer to run up a bunch of people asap, or to just no-lunch today? i'm getting frustrated we feel so far from a consensus.

not sure how serious this is, but an experienced player such as you should know that it's almost always -EV for town to no lynch, especially on the first day, and especially in a normal setup. if this is serious, it's giving strong scum vibes.

[Datisi]

okay, that's interesting. i didn't know that, but that makes the shelly/ico interaction super interesting.

i remember reading somewhere that "interesting" is the most meaningless word

[Noraa]

okay, that's interesting. i didn't know that, but that makes the shelly/ico interaction super interesting.

i remember reading somewhere that "interesting" is the most meaningless word

must've been a book of wisdom that Noraa wrote

[iamausername]

In no specific order (copy pasta from mod post), and to varying degrees of townread, here are my townies for today:

NOT FLIPPING TODAY

Alonzo
Iconeum
iamausername
Datisi
teacher
Battle Mage
bob3141
shellyc
Menalque

WOULD FLIP TODAY

TheGoldenParadox/Noraa
piisirrational/Tayl0r Swift

i'd switch Swifty for bob, got a gut town feel from her early postings and i've seen no reason to doubt it as yet, while bob has a major case of trying hard to look like he's doing something without actually doing anything.

i also wouldn't flip Noraa today, but i get where you're coming from in 753. i just feel like the possibility of her being scum still seems very unlikely to me.

[iamausername]

why is shelly the leading wagon right now?

as far as i can tell, the case on shelly is basically that she doesn't understand what 'fencesitting' means.

[Noraa]

Hm I didn't notice that ico just said they'd be fine with killing off a useless townie over actually trying to get a scum day 1. That reads bad but I, unfortunately also understand where that's coming from. Better a day 1 mislim of town!Noraa then a day 4 mislim on me.
Ofc I don't agree with it tho since I'd much prefer a scum lim day 1 over a town lim

[iamausername]

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

[Alonzo]

votecount 1.5

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift (2) : Shellyc ; Teacher

TheGoldenParadox (3) : Iconeum ; iamausername ; Battle Mage

Iconeum (1) : piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage (1) : Noraa

piisirrational (1) : bob3141

bob3141 (1) : Alonzo

shellyc (4) : Tayl0r Swift ; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Exe-3

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to yeet someone, the day will end in (expired on 2020-10-05 14:15:57)

Random fact : Strawberry, as it name says, isn't a berry

Is this VC up to date?

[Noraa]

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

Im not liking that slot and would be fine with a golden flip today

[iamausername]

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

Im not liking that slot and would be fine with a golden flip today

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

[Noraa]

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

Im not liking that slot and would be fine with a golden flip today

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

I will if we need the extra vote. Otherwise I currently still like my vote on BM

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Mage

[Alonzo]

I think I'm worried the truce won't last. Change my mind BM.

[Alonzo]

Also interested who Taylor , Shelly and TGP think scum on their wagon might be.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also interested who Taylor , Shelly and TGP think scum on their wagon might be.

not sure as i still have to catch up on 15 pages but theres only 2 votes on me. shelly always scumreads me so thats NAI, and teacher i feel like should be able to see that im town but ??. i havent read why they voted me

[iamausername]

I will if we need the extra vote. Otherwise I currently still like my vote on BM

i don't see BM making 832 as scum here. he was not under any pressure, at all, from anybody else.

he doesn't need to make a big show to persuade everybody else that he's town; everyone else already thinks he's town (or at least, doesn't seem to think he's scum).
he doesn't need to make a big show to persuade you that he's town. i'm pretty sure scum!BM would be perfectly content to let the situation of town!Noraa tunnelling him and being ignored by the town at large continue indefinitely.
so if he's scum, what does he actually stand to gain from making that post? why go to all that effort?

But, I kind of hate when I get posts like this because I'm the type of newbie that will actually have more biased reads due to something like this cuz I tend to be more emotionally driven than logically driven.

i don't think you should feel bad about being more emotionally driven than logically driven, and i think you should let your reads be biased by something like this. like, i'm not saying that appeals to emotion will never come from scum, or that you shouldn't consider the possibility that someone is trying to manipulate you. but i think it's very unlikely here, for the reasons outlined above.

[Noraa]

I will if we need the extra vote. Otherwise I currently still like my vote on BM

i don't see BM making 832 as scum here. he was not under any pressure, at all, from anybody else.

he doesn't need to make a big show to persuade everybody else that he's town; everyone else already thinks he's town (or at least, doesn't seem to think he's scum).
he doesn't need to make a big show to persuade you that he's town. i'm pretty sure scum!BM would be perfectly content to let the situation of town!Noraa tunnelling him and being ignored by the town at large continue indefinitely.
so if he's scum, what does he actually stand to gain from making that post? why go to all that effort?

But, I kind of hate when I get posts like this because I'm the type of newbie that will actually have more biased reads due to something like this cuz I tend to be more emotionally driven than logically driven.

i don't think you should feel bad about being more emotionally driven than logically driven, and i think you should let your reads be biased by something like this. like, i'm not saying that appeals to emotion will never come from scum, or that you shouldn't consider the possibility that someone is trying to manipulate you. but i think it's very unlikely here, for the reasons outlined above.

You bring a convincing argument to the table. I like it so in reply :
UNVOTE: BM