Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[Titus]

so, people who are categorically not mafia: Baltar, Datisi, Klyne, DeasVail. any of them could still be wolves, obviously.

if there is a bussing vote, it's clidd. i'm not sure there's any particular reason to assume that there has to be someone bussing though. of course as the primo busman i would say that etc. etc.

I disagree, the wagon was pretty clearly going through earlier than clidd

Murder trying to expand the pool of possible mafia with this and his last post.

[Titus]

so, people who are categorically not mafia: Baltar, Datisi, Klyne, DeasVail. any of them could still be wolves, obviously.

if there is a bussing vote, it's clidd. i'm not sure there's any particular reason to assume that there has to be someone bussing though. of course as the primo busman i would say that etc. etc.

I disagree, the wagon was pretty clearly going through earlier than clidd

Murder trying to expand the pool of possible mafia with this and his last post.

Pedit, Murder ninjaed me. The post before his last one.

[Titus]

Is Datisi scum then?

What does you being scum have anything to do with you? Why did you not even ask about my PlusJOYED vote?

VOTE: MURDERCAT

[MURDERCAT]

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- Ping on post 8 (mc), it is common sense to know that town only has scumhunt, while the scum side (maf, ww) needs to better understand the setup to be able to play properly.

- I didn't like Taly's answer very much and I can understand the increase in votes on him.

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- I had a strange feeling reading Jackson's posts, but I don't classify it as ping.

- Positive impression of Klick and MC.

- Taly has not improved in the posts and I feel that Titus is very apathetic in the sense of WIM.

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- BM, Klyne and PlusJOYED void.

- Delay on vote by Titus is towny.

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- Um, I don't know how to read Taly.

And.. That's it. I don't think I will do more than that. Maybe I'll adapt to the real-time chat.

VOTE: Titus

I'm having many mixfeelings right now, but I want to sort this first ^

I see your analysis

I see your vote

Reconcile the two? I cannot see it.

Did you mean to Vote Taly?

I believe ORAM is scum.

VOTE: ORAM

I'm VLA for weekend

Datisi said the exact same thing that I did about your vote

[MURDERCAT]

Oops those were supposed to go in my next post

[MURDERCAT]

Those are the only posts of BM's I think actually have anything useful in them, the vote on Taly probably suggests they are partners together but I already thought that Taly was town based on the wagon.
VP still obviously not scum with that slot so that's not actually useful either.
I think he could be moving pressure off Titus there but maybe he's just poking at something that was pretty weird

[iamausername]

it does not sit well with me that Titus and Klyne went hard after each other yesterday, and now both are on Plus today. my instinct is that one of them is a wolf who genuinely thought the other was mafia, but changed their mind after the flip. inclined to think that is Titus, because there's no particular reason for wolf!Klyne to stop thinking Titus is mafia as far as i can tell. still think Klyne being on the hitlist means he is not mafia, so i guess he's actually town.

other gut feeling from rereading stuff: Murdercat is totally mafia. besides his generally conflict avoiding nature that i noted yesterday, there were a few weird interactions i picked up on with the BM/galaxii slot. there's a steady stream of "hey, BM is sorta scummy" posts with no real effort to do anything with this (43, 199, 348 and 399), then in 679 listing his opinions on everyone he just sort of... forgets to have a conclusion on the slot? and in 712, galaxii is somehow right in the middle of his reads, equal to VP who "replaced into a meh slot and towns it up". this doesn't feel like a real progression of reads on a slot that did basically nothing at any point.

then there's 728 as a response to the wagon starting on galaxii which is just wretched, given his apparent thoughts on VP. and then he made a big show of giving intent to hammer instead of just getting on with it, presumably while he and his other partner scrambled to figure out a new hitlist now that the Titus/Klyne dichotomy had dissolved.

pedit: ok, Murdercat and Titus both posted a bunch while i was writing this up. my conclusions are really not at all challenged by these posts. i think we want to aim for a wolf today, but i also think Titus might be at E-1 already?

[VP Baltar]

You seem very desperate for me to give you a town pass, especially when I said I'm not too interested in your yeet today.

shrug. i feel like you're one of the people here most familiar with my game, plus you're my designated paranoia read. being able to be confident in your alignment would be great.

I haven't had personal experience with your scum game though!

Two can paranoia!

[Titus]

Datisi specifically said that they wanted me to come in and make my alignment obvious. Deflection noted.

Your posting today is all about trying to expand who can be mafia.
You try to argue the speedwagon had bussers before clidd, but are vague as to who they could be. I am not sure if username is right, but his case makes sense and got a reaction out of MURDERCAT.

If iamausername is correct, then only clidd, MURDERCAT, taly, bulge and plusjoyed can be mafia. Two names in that pool is pretty slim. Doubly so since none of those names have clout.

[Titus]

pedit: ok, Murdercat and Titus both posted a bunch while i was writing this up. my conclusions are really not at all challenged by these posts. i think we want to aim for a wolf today, but i also think Titus might be at E-1 already?

I am not on plus. MURDERCAT just obvscummed. I was never intending to rope Plus.

[Titus]

If we decide to go wolf here, then whatever but MURDERCAT is mafia.

[iamausername]

Titus, did your opinion of Klyne change based on the end of yesterday/start of today, and if so, why?

[Datisi]

i have a very strong urge to keep arguing with baltar but i have a feeling it will be utterly counterproductive so with a heavy heart i won't

[MURDERCAT]

I literally pushed you all day yesterday Titus. I think you are scum, why would I give you the benefit of the doubt that you are doing some fake gambit. This is honestly dumb username and Titus are both getting desperate and throwing shit at me I think

[iamausername]

This is honestly dumb username and Titus are both getting desperate and throwing shit at me I think

why am i desperate

nobody is voting for me

[Datisi]

onto the wolf team. titus continues to be... unimpressive. like, we just had a deadline cfd that hit scum. two competing wagons yesterday. shouldn't this be like, at least a good starting point for vca? instead, her entrance today is 815???

@titus, i believe murdercat was talking about this. does it change your opinion on my slot on any way?

[Titus]

Titus, did your opinion of Klyne change based on the end of yesterday/start of today, and if so, why?

I still think Kylne might be wolf. The odds of hitting Kylne mafia are slim given the speedwagon drew from both our wagons. That alone should force a reevaluation.

Given I only like him for one faction and I should reevaluate him, best to get reactions and see.

[Titus]

onto the wolf team. titus continues to be... unimpressive. like, we just had a deadline cfd that hit scum. two competing wagons yesterday. shouldn't this be like, at least a good starting point for vca? instead, her entrance today is 815???

@titus, i believe murdercat was talking about this. does it change your opinion on my slot on any way?

No. You were confused, but didn't jump to scum. My intent was to be confusing to read the room. Scum would hyperpush no matter what I did. Town would be wtf.

MURDERCAT is hard push, recycle thoughts, and expanding the mafia pool.

[Titus]

This is honestly dumb username and Titus are both getting desperate and throwing shit at me I think

why am i desperate

nobody is voting for me

He's projecting. Odds are your case on the lack of bussers is right. If MURDERCAT flips as he should, then we're in a great position.

[MURDERCAT]

why am i desperate

nobody is voting for me

You are partners with Titus probably

[MURDERCAT]

I don't really have the mental energy to do the argue against scum thing today sorry

[Datisi]

i called you scum along 3 other people and voted for you?? is that just being confused??

[Titus]

i called you scum along 3 other people and voted for you?? is that just being confused??

Yes. You didn't jump straight to scum. You had standards for me and expectations. MURDERCAT had none of that. MURDERCAT is not solving my slot. You are.

[Titus]

I don't really have the mental energy to do the argue against scum thing today sorry

Read: My calling of username desperate just got derailed, so I am going to duck out of this thread before anyone else sees hoping Titus will hang herself before finding the other scum.

[Datisi]

titus, other than curdermat, who is scum? eli5, i'm drinking.