Yellowstone

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think I have 3 for 3 but I am fairly confident that at least one of the three are scum. Likely two, with Noraa/Horse not being partners if they aren't all three.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am about Horse > Vax > Noraa

[MathBlade]

VOTE: nora

Why do you vote Nora over horsewoman here?

I think horsewoman is town. I think everyone keeps going back to that wagon and conf biasing it to confirm it.

@math

Nora and Jackson Virgo's chummyness concerns me. Jackson Virgo and nora talk at LENGTH, but he doesn't town read them? I actually think they both are scum.

If anything that would indicate TvS or SvT or TvT not SvS.

Scum usually don’t do enhanced theatre like that without provocation or reason. I am going to have to find where you say in context to see.

Vax explain why you townread Horse and why scum don’t take her free miselim (if she is town doubtful) when they could have easily done so under the guise of “end the day quick to hide the likely other mason”.

[MathBlade]

I think nora!scum would be playing "safe" this game tho after their last scum game. Hence why they are out in left field on DGB.

DGB is probably a good meta read.

A quiet DGB is a scum meta DGB unless it has changed its town meta to match its scum one.

[MathBlade]

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

Pfft this post is funny. you used my logic against Marky against Horsewoman. I find scums tend to like to repeat/paraphrase what townies are saying all over the place bc the townie's subconscious will be like ":O :OOOOO lets relate!"

Honestly a quick ISO of Mark should show u the shading pretty easily but since apparently you cant see, I'll go find them in a sec.

I think your read on Nora is off though

Why?

Its to my understanding that Nora is a cutesy overly excited kind of player... Like a puppy but in this game it doesn't seem over the top, and it feels like there's a level of focus and seriousness there. It's almost like she needs to actually some thinking in the game, and not make plays to redirect town votes, and plays, and cause havic.

There is something happening to cause this subtle shift in play at a subconscious level and it's that thing at that level that gives me my read on her

I dunno if this is very accurate but eh I am town here so yeah.

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

That basis for lock-scumming Horse is kinda weak. Just because you SR them doesn't mean town!them would SR you back.

A town wouldn't be afraid to OMGUS me if my pushes on them seemed so aggressive. I was expecting her to woman up and say fuck you! And vote me, cause that's what I'd do. As town i wouldn't just ignore you and let you paint me as scum, if you are framing me, you are going down with me.

Ur town play is trash then if that's how you think. OMGUSing is something nearly every newbie does but thinking it is optimal play is pretty bad.

I think your read on Nora is off though

Why?

Its to my understanding that Nora is a cutesy overly excited kind of player... Like a puppy but in this game it doesn't seem over the top, and it feels like there's a level of focus and seriousness there. It's almost like she needs to actually some thinking in the game, and not make plays to redirect town votes, and plays, and cause havic.

There is something happening to cause this subtle shift in play at a subconscious level and it's that thing at that level that gives me my read on her

Meta can be faked. Noraa and I played together in a couple games recently and i've seen her how she can effortlessly change her meta to confuse players. This is why it is wiser to judge her solely on how she behaves in this game.

You have 2 games with me.
One where I was town and mislimmed day 2
one where I was scum and limmed day 2.
Where's the manipulation, changing of meta, confusion, etc?

cko is special cuz their town meta matches up with votes not always making sense.

And yet I’ve been right in majority of my games

I agree with this to a certain extent. you have pretty good reads in Cakes large normal

This specific post, it's probably not AI but I feel it has to be at least somewhat. I just checked SirCakez Large Normal, and what she said is incorrect and I don't recall any other game with Noraa specifically in it that I had what they would call "pretty good reads" as I've replaced out of them in nearly all cases and the one I didn't I had wrong reads as it was early D1.

In the Large Normal they were referring to, I replaced out early D1. My reads were not anywhere near "pretty good" as the only scum I had "read" was Glitch, and I had them as a town-read. Noraa is either thinking of another game, which I want them to clarify immediately, or they're trying to pocket me.

Again, this isn't AI in itself if Noraa can back up her mistake otherwise I think it's a slip.

Jacko, you really think I take a game where you have trash reads and just be like EY THEY ARE GOOD. I don't understand why you find this strange. Honestly, lets say I was scum. Wouldn't I just be 10x more careful making sure that everything matches up perfectly? Like ... bruh.
You repped out day 1, yes. but all of ur TRs were correct. If I remember correctly, ur only wrong read was the SR on Nero.

Nora is a cutesy overly excited kind of player... Like a puppy but in this game it doesn't seem over the top, and it feels like there's a level of focus and seriousness there. It's almost like she needs to actually some thinking in the game, and not make plays to redirect town votes, and plays, and cause havic.

I see the exact opposite. Complete lack of focus, seriousness, or thinking, wrecking havoc.

When I was scum with her I was glad to let her roll the town with that BS. Here, not so much.

How am I "rolling town with that BS"?
Quote the posts that you dislike cuz you haven't expressed even a SL on me until now where u just state out of the blue that im scum now apparently.

I think Nora is town based on this post in her iso. Will do more when time permits.

[Vaxkiller]

I still am holding onto my Horse/Vax/Noraa scum-read. I'm not fully sure if I've actually explicitly said that was my scum solve aorn assuming three mafia.

ewww

[Vaxkiller]

Scum usually don’t do enhanced theatre like that without provocation or reason. I am going to have to find where you say in context to see.

Sure, dont usually. But it's nora and Jackson virgo, and they like to talk.

[MathBlade]

I still am holding onto my Horse/Vax/Noraa scum-read. I'm not fully sure if I've actually explicitly said that was my scum solve aorn assuming three mafia.

ewww

It kinda feels like he’s either really dense town or one of my scumreads is wrong before and he’s trying to do anything possible to avoid voting horse.

Don’t know which.

Either way he’s making me question my reads hard.

[AGamblingPig]

UNVOTE

Math has come out guns ablazing in the scumhunt since replacing noelim.

[MathBlade]

Scum usually don’t do enhanced theatre like that without provocation or reason. I am going to have to find where you say in context to see.

Sure, dont usually. But it's nora and Jackson virgo, and they like to talk.

I’ll have to see it in context later but I really feel Nora town based on the start of her ISO.

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE

Math has come out guns ablazing in the scumhunt since replacing noelim.

Infinity replaced no elim
I replaced nono

Townslip?

[Momrangal]

I'm a mason hahahaha

Question, why would you out being a mason so quickly when it's much more beneficial to keep that claim back until a more strategical moment or at E-1 not when you're only just getting heat.

It was late, baby was fussy, I was heading to bed and I didnt trust town to not quick lynch, I mean....
And as far as Nora goes, she was never a comfort wagon. She was never a joke wagon, she was never a vanity wagon. She was the first serious push in the game and there was as a consensus of her being likely scum yet it stalled out early and weird as hell CW wagons took place, both of which moved much faster than hers

[Momrangal]

Math, did you sleep

[MathBlade]

Math, did you sleep

Like 5 hours. Enough. Got work here in a bit.

[JacksonVirgo]

I still am holding onto my Horse/Vax/Noraa scum-read. I'm not fully sure if I've actually explicitly said that was my scum solve aorn assuming three mafia.

ewww

It kinda feels like he’s either really dense town or one of my scumreads is wrong before and he’s trying to do anything possible to avoid voting horse.

Don’t know which.

Either way he’s making me question my reads hard.

1) I tend to be dense as a player yeah, but generally because I tend to be right when I stick to my guns. For example, recent mini normal where I deathtunneled scum and didn't let anyone stop me until I got burned out and they turned out to be scum.

2) Is that aimed at me I am not sure because aren't I voting horse? Also I'm a they if that is aimed at me.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm a mason hahahaha

Question, why would you out being a mason so quickly when it's much more beneficial to keep that claim back until a more strategical moment or at E-1 not when you're only just getting heat.

It was late, baby was fussy, I was heading to bed and I didnt trust town to not quick lynch, I mean....
And as far as Nora goes, she was never a comfort wagon. She was never a joke wagon, she was never a vanity wagon. She was the first serious push in the game and there was as a consensus of her being likely scum yet it stalled out early and weird as hell CW wagons took place, both of which moved much faster than hers

Yeah alright that's fair enough but I'll get to the Noraa read tomorrow

[MathBlade]

I still am holding onto my Horse/Vax/Noraa scum-read. I'm not fully sure if I've actually explicitly said that was my scum solve aorn assuming three mafia.

ewww

It kinda feels like he’s either really dense town or one of my scumreads is wrong before and he’s trying to do anything possible to avoid voting horse.

Don’t know which.

Either way he’s making me question my reads hard.

1) I tend to be dense as a player yeah, but generally because I tend to be right when I stick to my guns. For example, recent mini normal where I deathtunneled scum and didn't let anyone stop me until I got burned out and they turned out to be scum.

2) Is that aimed at me I am not sure because aren't I voting horse? Also I'm a they if that is aimed at me.

Apologies I used the wrong pronouns.

It was aimed at you.

They are being really dense.

[Momrangal]

That was supposed to say horse.

It's too early ._.

[Vaxkiller]

Vax explain why you townread Horse and why scum don’t take her free miselim (if she is town doubtful) when they could have easily done so under the guise of “end the day quick to hide the likely other mason”.

*shrug* Maybe scum is already on it. Maybe scum is scared to take a hard position (like nora on DGB).

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't *usually* like self-meta but in this case it's better than making you fall down a rabbit hole like a lot of people eventually do. I am sure Mark and Infinity can back me up as well, also you can easily go check the game. I mean any recent town-game you can choose of mine, but Bending has players that are playing here so it'd be easier to communicate what I'm meaning.

I'm gonna try and sleep probably.

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE

Math has come out guns ablazing in the scumhunt since replacing noelim.

Infinity replaced no elim
I replaced nono

Townslip?

I doubt it. Not saying he isnt town, but unless scum have super active members that talk non-stop informing everyone.... ehhhh.

[Vaxkiller]

@math I think your my first town read. Things are looking up.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 1.5

bad bear pun count

: 3

[4]Horsewoman:

JacksonVirgo, Toogeloo, Momrangal, Guillotina

[2]LlamaMama:

Flea the Magician, Marky Mark

[1]JacksonVirgo:

LlamaMama,

[1]Noraa:

DrippingGoofball

[1]no elimination:

no elim

[1]Toogeloo:

Horsewoman

[1]Flea the Magician:

Nono

[1]Guillotina:

Noraa

[1]no elim:

AGamblingPig

[0] Not Voting:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-22 12:35:35).

Votecount 1.9

bad bear pun count

: 4

[5]Horsewoman:

JacksonVirgo, Momrangal, Mathblade, Guillotina, Toogeloo

[3]Momrangal:

Marky Mark, DrippingGoofball, Horsewoman

[1]Guillotina:

Flea the Magician

[1]JacksonVirgo:

Vaxkiller

[1]Infinity 324:

AGamblingPig

[1]DrippingGoofball:

Noraa

[1] Not Voting:

Infinity 324

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-22 12:35:35).

Your assertion is imho unfounded here.

Assuming Horse town then I know I am town and am reasonably certain Mom is so the scum team would have to be all JV G and Toog and I don’t see that as a viable team especially since I townread G.

[DrippingGoofball]

Vax explain why you townread Horse and why scum don’t take her free miselim (if she is town doubtful) when they could have easily done so under the guise of “end the day quick to hide the likely other mason”.

*shrug* Maybe scum is already on it. Maybe scum is scared to take a hard position (like nora on DGB).

My position on Noraa is a lot harder than hers is on me, but for some reason everyone shrugs off all the scummy things she posts... I was cheering it when I was scum with her, but she's pulling the same trick in this game, but I'm town thus time and I'm not having it.

It's frustrating.

[DrippingGoofball]

I missed the Mason claim. UNVOTE: