Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 3.2

MURDERCAT

(3): Ahsoka, clidd, Titus

The Bulge

(1): Klyne

Not Voting

(5): The Bulge, VP Baltar, innocentvillager, MURDERCAT, iamausername

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to execute someone.

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-01-03 03:57:00)

[Ahsoka]

Someone mad they rolled scum.

You can do better than that chap, that didn't even make me flinch

This is so wolf-wolf, lol

[MURDERCAT]

Back from holidays, sorry all

[MURDERCAT]

The Bulge, Titus, Ahsoka

I hate the back end of the wagon from yesterday

[MURDERCAT]

No one else thinks it's weird titus literally has done no VCA?
She just called me scum and everyone was like yeah ok MC is Mafia

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: MURDERCAT

interested in hearing your process here. what turned you?

Lol this is TMI, bulge is probably mafia who knows I'm town here

[MURDERCAT]

He's setting up like a soft defense of me so that when I flip he looks better

[MURDERCAT]

Someone mad they rolled scum.

Literally there has been no argument for why klyne is scum

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: MURDERCAT

interested in hearing your process here. what turned you?

Lol this is TMI, bulge is probably mafia who knows I'm town here

how do you get to this conclusion? how does mafia!bulge know you can’t be a wolf?

He's setting up like a soft defense of me so that when I flip he looks better

@bulge why did you ask this question if not for this reason?

[MURDERCAT]

The only argument that I am scum is that I'm mafia, if he is mafia he probably concludes that wolves are pushing me and I'm town. No one thinks I'm a wolf, Titus just declared that I am mafia and some people are going along with it.

[innocentvillager]

why can’t you be a wolf?

[MURDERCAT]

I can be a wolf but
1. I'm town
and
2. No one has made that argument.

If I were scum and especially a wolf I'd have been a lot more aggressive towards any of the wagons that got hammered.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: MURDERCAT

interested in hearing your process here. what turned you?

Lol this is TMI, bulge is probably mafia who knows I'm town here

This could be a possible distancing, but part of me thinks there's MC town potential. I felt it part of yesterday as well, and Titus kept pushing me and MC as partners, when I had been voting MC. Titus makes me want to believe MC is scum, but I keep having doubts.

Bulge is one of my stronger mafia possibilities.

[VP Baltar]

Someone mad they rolled scum.

Literally there has been no argument for why klyne is scum

There have been plenty of people who have argued Klyne is scummy. I was defending him earlier because I generally thought his reads were good, but now with flips it is obvious they are not.

For me, he is deep inside the PoE and is more likely to flip scum if players like Titus/clidd/username are town.

[VP Baltar]

Murdercat, the reason people want to yeet you is because of username's case. It has nothing to do with Titus calling you mafia

[MURDERCAT]

Ok I will go back and re-read it, my memory was that username posted that right after titus and so I associated it with Titus calling me scum but maybe it's more independent than I'm giving it credit for

[Klyne]

Someone mad they rolled scum.

Literally there has been no argument for why klyne is scum

There have been plenty of people who have argued Klyne is scummy. I was defending him earlier because

I generally thought his reads were good, but now with flips it is obvious they are not.

For me, he is deep inside the PoE and is more likely to flip scum if players like Titus/clidd/username are town.

aHAHhhaah

You wanna know the difference between you and me is? I'm not afraid to put myself in the hot seat

I'd rather be wrong 800 times than never try to be right at least once, a critic who sits idly will never know the spoils of true victory

Also if your opinion of me changes for leading a lim and having it be wrong then you are more shallow than I could ever fucking anticipate

[VP Baltar]

Also if your opinion of me changes for leading a lim and having it be wrong then you are more shallow than I could ever fucking anticipate

Ok

[Klyne]

...That's it?

[VP Baltar]

...That's it?

What would you like me to say?

That it's quite silly of you to state you're some town leading risk taker when I've been far more active and open than you?

My guess is that you could indeed be a wolf here and the goal of this interaction is for you to make connections to me because you're a sinking ship. Doesn't seem like an argument I should give much credence to.

[Klyne]

You're reading too far into it

All of my attempts to reach out are me getting bored of my own thoughts

To what end does feedback from other players have to deal with such a heavy hand?

[Klyne]

I've made some absolutely obnoxious takes fullcaps bravado yet you have posts like Ahsoka who insinuate that me-you are Wolf/Wolf and yet you don't bat an eyelash to it? I'm saying this from your own perspective if you were an innocent townie getting associated with WOLF in your eyes. Yes I am turning it around on you, this is how discussion thrives

[VP Baltar]

I've made some absolutely obnoxious takes fullcaps bravado yet you have posts like Ahsoka who insinuate that me-you are Wolf/Wolf and yet you don't bat an eyelash to it? I'm saying this from your own perspective if you were an innocent townie getting associated with WOLF in your eyes. Yes I am turning it around on you, this is how discussion thrives

I don't feel the need to respond to Ahoska making unfounded accusations anymore than I feel the need to do that with you.

I'm only looking for people to explain who they think is what alignment and why.

From my perspective, the lim pool is fairly narrow. Datisi flipping green is the biggest thing informing my outlook today, adding to the fact he and I were vibing by day end yesterday. I think it is very likely Murdercat flips scum, so that's the priority.

Assuming that's true, I'd like to hear your solves.

[Klyne]

I'm not paying attention too terribly from D1 when it comes to MURDERCAT, I said I was gonna READ HIM but opted to not do that

To show some humility, there has been a modicum of doubt in my own solves and at some points I was getting deflated a tiny bit. I just glanced over iamausername's MURDERCAT mini-case and I think it's. Fine. But goddamn. Cannot shake Titus and D2 was supposed to be the day I gave up on that. Multi-ball does fuck with how you're supposed to read self-preservation or even associative cases like that but I won't use it as an excuse. Anyways, I ended up with DV/PlusJOYED then people just went "YUP IV TOWN" and in my head I'm thinking "Well why fucking bother vote DV alternative kinda think he's scummy" now we're here

So where does my solve put me? Still not fucking with Titus but I am in a position where MURDERCAT thinks his only option of persuasion is to defend me and keep rolling with Yup Titus Scum. Believe me, I'm a fucking stubborn dipshit but not enough to see that MURDERCAT's actions do not conclude with what's he's saying. I'll end this brief thought here (and don't you worry, after your response I have more to say) and ask how you feel about the 3 MURDERCAT votes right now because something tells me there's a mafia/wolf in those 3 votes.

[VP Baltar]

Re: votes - I think Ahoska has pretty high scum equity. I'm not sure why clidd was town reading them, but I have found their play pretty obtuse at best.