Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[Ahsoka]

Or put more finely, what you're claiming is an answer to my question is an indirect response to iv. What is the point of you saying that? You think I'm scummy for asking you a direct question?

Pedit- @ahoska

Nah, I just see you as scum.

I literally answered IV asking the same question right above the post, but I still answered you and gave more.

It was just an eye roll because it feels like you're actively trying to fluff up reasons to fade me.

This is also an Open game, IV, and I really don't play those too much.

[Ahsoka]

Klyne kept pushing me acting like I had been calling him a wolf when I have been specifically calling him not a wolf the majority of this day.

[Ahsoka]

Klyne kept pushing me acting like I had been calling him a wolf when I have been specifically calling him not a wolf the majority of this day.

Why does that make him town? Wouldn't that seem scummy?

Yeah, I can see it as scummy. Really, it comes down to you've been shading and discrediting me all game, so it seems like you're setting me up, and I think the 2 of you have anti partner associations.

[Ahsoka]

So maybe I'm looking for reasons to townread Klyne.

[Ahsoka]

You're saying I'm scum, how are they supposed to be in line?

[Ahsoka]

who are you wolf pushing? Klyne/Bulge?

[Ahsoka]

That’s cause you know you’re scum bruh

[Ahsoka]

I’m the second highest poster in this game

[Ahsoka]

And I got here late

[Ahsoka]

Me being burnt out as scum, you will never notice in game thread.

[Ahsoka]

It’s just something I can say afterwards.

If you think I still don’t put 125% into a game even if I’m burnt, you’re dead wrong.

[Ahsoka]

I’ve been burnt out as scum for years now. Ever since Team Mafia 2018.

It ended my 2 and a half year undefeated streak, and then I just kept rolling scum time after time after time.

But you know what, I’m still playing in 5 games, and modding a large theme, and having a large theme in sign ups soon, so what part of burnt do you think is going to effect my play, IV?

I don’t think it effected my game in your game that much. That just gave the breaking point because I literally conceded another game that day.

And you can tell by my sitewide posts that I was salty that day.

Don’t go acting like I’m not top notch even if I’m burnt. Surpass your limits.

[Ahsoka]

This is why I don’t play Opens.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: PagetopAndy

[Ahsoka]

Klyne, you're arguing with the wolf that's essentially if you aren't wolf, they are.

[Ahsoka]

One thing that is clear today is the wolves are very scared to vote together for fear of getting caught today

Glad you said that.

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the NPOM wagon was me and my 2 buddies, nobody else here while town got an all town misfade.

It happens.

[Ahsoka]

I relooked over Bulge's posts, and I'm not town reading them as much as I thought.

I don't like IV's turnback on me, though.

Which is weird because they were my two highest a little while ago, but I'm starting to flip on VPB after rereading some sections.

[Ahsoka]

In theory, if I knew VPB was town, Klyne is probably a wolf. Bulge/IV/Clidd contain the Mafia.

Username/Bulge/Clidd contain the other wolf.

I might be mafia reading IV now? Is there a reason why he isn't Mafia?

I really don't understand the Mafia read on me by people. I just don't think the way Murdercat and I interacted really ever should be seen as something that is actually coming as a team.

I almost want to find the Mafia member and fade them so you guys can see that it's not me.

[Ahsoka]

I think I'd rather go Bulge than Klyne. Bulge has a chance of being wolf or mafia.

Klyne's just got a chance at being a wolf really. I don't believe Mafia risk putting themselves on the list twice in a row.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: Bulge

[Ahsoka]

i want to drop a bomb on this thread at some point soon because i have a non-confident solve and deadline is approach and i don't like the way the VC is shifting

what do you mean shifting?

I felt like it was always going to end up being Klyne or Bulge, as much as I wanted VPB, but if you town read VPB, then that's a good thing.

[Ahsoka]

I don't like Username pushing me, but apparently, I don't like anyone pushing me.

[Ahsoka]

I'm still flabbergasted that the moment I start to move off of VPB, IV came in and brought that option back.

If he's town, I was probably correct. If he's scum, I was incorrect.

[Ahsoka]

IV/Bulge Wolf team is a decent possibility now. Before I think the fades were going to be within VP/Klyne.

I think this is not even tinfoil either.

I'll think it over when I feel like deep diving.

I'm still thinking CLidd slot is the most likely slot to be Mafia, though.

[Ahsoka]

ive been semi-tunneled on you and username for a bit longer than ive publicly stated in thread

i think you're the deepwolf this game who played, honestly, a very good wolf game

you had good mafia reads, you took them down according to your wincon

you took advantage of LHF slots like The Bulge (busy) Klyne (gimmicky/low effort lately), and lucked out that they didn't really push back or blatantly obvtown when, like, one of them probably would've if they were wolf

i think, you've been trying to pocket me literally all game, starting with defending me on D2, and have been unnaturally emphasized on that point in a MULTIBALL GAME, maybe because you saw town!ABR defend me and me vehemently townread him back in 2180

I mean, I've been saying this a good amount of the game.

He also, as scum, discredited me perfectly without having to push me.

I understand the case. Your timing was rough. Yes, if you are town, it just happened to be like that, but from over here, it happened at like the worst possible time.

[Ahsoka]

I'm still thinking CLidd slot is the most likely slot to be Mafia, though.

Can you tell me more on this? I'm mostly hanging on to my early game read, but maybe I'm being biased.

i just stopped feeling like klyne was a wolf, and POE dictacted Clidd as the slot, mixed in with the replace out if I'm being honest, but I don't like pushing that as a reason.

If the wolves are you and username, bulge/IV/clidd are mafia. When you consider the fact I was town reading IV and Bulge earlier, that's why. Pagetop could be wolf with you or Bulge.

I don't remember why I thought IV wasn't a wolf anymore, though.

Bulge/IV actually became a lot more possible considering Bulge backed off.

[Ahsoka]

i need to do a reset.

[Ahsoka]

yeah, i did miss it. I didn't click the spoiler.

[Ahsoka]

I think Pagetop is Mafia because it looks like they're only looking for one team, and I think they're new telling it.

[Ahsoka]

let's just fade Bulge

[Ahsoka]

Like worst case scenario, we lose the least active player in the game. We're not endgamed or anything yet.

[Ahsoka]

why did you take my solve right after I stopped pushing it IV, ugh

[Ahsoka]

I think I was wrong about iv and..........i kinda really like his vp/username solve. I didnt love vpb's AtE these last couple pages at all and I've had minor suspicions of username for a long time (tho admittedly without having looked back over either of their isos before typing this)

that was my solve

[Ahsoka]

It's literally been the thing I was pushing all day

[Ahsoka]

and as soon as i went off of it, IV switched.

[Ahsoka]

my read's lowered on IV.

[Ahsoka]

Occurring to me: Bulge mafia could explain why everyone is in favor of his yeet

I already said this. This was my reasoning for going there. Bulge has high wolf equity and mafia equity. I'm half totally okay with Mafia flip here because it means I can prove I wasn't Mafia.

[Ahsoka]

why is clidd never wolf?

[Ahsoka]

I think Pagetop is Mafia because it looks like they're only looking for one team, and I think they're new telling it.

How could you think I'm only looking for one team? My read list was on who I thought was town/null/scum not who I thought was on a certain team, so I'm not really sure what you are referencing to make this claim.

that's why.

You only had 1 scum list. You literally said the reason in your post.

[Ahsoka]

Occurring to me: Bulge mafia could explain why everyone is in favor of his yeet

yea definitely not because half of you are scum and I'm the easiest afk push

Your statement would still be true if you were mafia, fwiw.

I'm not interested in yeeting mafia today though. I want a wolf pelt

This mindset feels like a way to keep me as a mafia misfade option.

[Ahsoka]

VPB was pushing me as Mafia, but now is stopping Bulge.

It's VPB and Bulge.

[Ahsoka]

I think Pagetop is Mafia because it looks like they're only looking for one team, and I think they're new telling it.

How could you think I'm only looking for one team? My read list was on who I thought was town/null/scum not who I thought was on a certain team, so I'm not really sure what you are referencing to make this claim.

that's why.

You only had 1 scum list. You literally said the reason in your post.

I don't care if we get mafia or wolf I just don't want to go to xLo

Yeah, I believe that town you would do that.

But I don't think it makes you town.

It's just what I thought about when I saw the post. If you're town, I'm wrong. Mafia's a game of theories, and then trying to figure out which theory is correct.

[Ahsoka]

I still think Bulge is the safest choice and is generally going to end up being faded this game anyways.

They have wolf equity with almost every player in the game, and a higher chance of being Mafia.

The kill list and kill will be able to give us some more info to work with anyways.

[Ahsoka]

I’m not scum.

VPB specifically stated I was only mafia if i was scum.

[Ahsoka]

It’s iamusername and pagetop.

Intent to hammer.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: Iamusername

[Ahsoka]

Town loses, lol.

It’s me and pagetop.

[Ahsoka]

Nah idk. I’m actually town, though. Don’t know how i went from can only be mafia to wolf.

[Ahsoka]

My solve was correct with the Clidd/bulge/username/IV having all the scum.

[Ahsoka]

Then trust your gut with me.

[Ahsoka]

if this is a scumflip somehow ahsoka is almost certainly last scum

There’s no way I call him out as scum with username and he just comes in and hammers

I’ve been calling username scum for a while now.


And i generally came to the conclusion scum was IV/Username or Pagetop/Username, so why wouldn’t I hammer them?

[Ahsoka]

Whatever you say dude but yeah if you're wolf fucking kill me I'm legit alive gonna vote the absolute minute the day starts

It’s not me, lol.

This game would have been much more in my control if it was.

[Ahsoka]

if this is a scumflip somehow ahsoka is almost certainly last scum

There’s no way I call him out as scum with username and he just comes in and hammers

This is exactly what people said about me with Murdercat.

[Ahsoka]

Nah idk. I’m actually town, though. Don’t know how i went from can only be mafia to wolf.

lol is this why you didn’t kill me? You thought I would’ve cleared you or something? ahhaha

Well, no, VPB thought that specifically.

The VPB kill is really bad if I was scum.

[Ahsoka]

when bulge flipped mafia I essentially came to username/Ahsoka as the solve

was expecting to die

if town loses guess I’m baddddd butttt OH WELLLL

I was pushing usernam/VPB as wolf team for a while.

Killing that directly causes Username to be faded, so if Username was my partner, killing VPB would cost the game.

Also unsure why your conf biasing right now.

You just got paranoid of me being scum.

[Ahsoka]

Nah idk. I’m actually town, though. Don’t know how i went from can only be mafia to wolf.

yeah you are oddly cognizant of this stance I had on you hmmmmmm yah flavor u are the scum who kept me alive to pocket me!

I started pushing you at the end of the day yesterday.

[Ahsoka]

I’m always cognizant.

And again, i stated it was mainly VPB, not your stance.

[Ahsoka]

VPB and I started town reading each other, scum killed in there because I’m the easier misfade in his game.

[Ahsoka]

Yeah, I’m like 95% sure Username is scum unless you’re trolling and it’s you/Klyne.

[Ahsoka]

3 scum in a row based on my reads. I had a pretty good game.

[Ahsoka]

I just don’t like the way IV took my solve yesterday after I started pushing Bulge, then took my town read on Klyne, then switched reads today, apparently prior to day start and VPB flip.

But they pushed Username, who was the player I was going to fade 100% of the time today, so that helps.

[Ahsoka]

nah if username is scum sorry ahsoka you’re basically lockscum

town!you doesn’t have takes this bad

You saw me literally go through every single combination in Ilicit Substances. Lol

I was pushing Morph and Zmuffin as scum who no killed for an entire day phase over there

[Ahsoka]

I'm not scum, IV.

I caught 3 scum this game. I really don't know how/why you are scumreading me.

[Ahsoka]

nah if username is scum sorry ahsoka you’re basically lockscum

town!you doesn’t have takes this bad

You saw me literally go through every single combination in Ilicit Substances. Lol

I was pushing Morph and Zmuffin as scum who no killed for an entire day phase over there

you ignoring this is telling.

[Ahsoka]

Half of me just thinks you're scum fake setting me up to win the game, but that takes a lot of planning, and you could have won if you didn't switch Klyne's vote, so that doesn't make sense.

Means you're probably just town.

[Ahsoka]

Klyne, literally don't even listen to IV. Please just win.

VOTE: Pagetop

[Ahsoka]

YALL I FIXED MY YEAR AND A HALF LONG REVERSE SLEEP SCHEDULE TO WAKE UP AT 4AM TO PULL THAT PLANNED OPENING OFF