Micro 994 | Brass and Shrapnel | Game Over!

[Not_Mafia]

Why would thinking there's a doctor be a scumslip?

Because doctor is a possible role for scum. It's doctor or roleblocker. Kop assumed there was 1 doctor

I forgot about this

[Kop]

But even the basic setups like the normals don't always have doctors

Majority of the basic games have doctors.

But it's not a given

Well as the old saying goes, assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

It should have paid for me to actually read the setup properly and we wouldn't be at this conjure.

[brassherald]

Indeed, we would not be at any conjure if you read the set up.

If you had read it, I'm sure you would have chosen to give up that school of magic.

[Flea The Magician]

I imagine if it was a scumslip his partner is staying on the quiet side about it. It would look bad for them to defend him but his partner might also be unsure about bussing yet

I mean it's a pretty solid catch given the interactions that came after it.

I'm happy to dive more games and see just how many had a doctor role.

It's one of those things where frankly, we need to demand an opinion from everyone on.

Yup, if you're not of an opinion, you're avoiding at this point. That was a straight up RVS breaker.
Like I don't care if you have a contrasting opinion, I just care you have one and vocalise it.

But even the basic setups like the normals don't always have doctors

Majority of the basic games have doctors.

Not that I'm aware of, even our newbie games often don't have a doctor.

Like straight up if you're not engaging that slip and the interactions after, I at least want a rough reads list. We don't hammer this yet either.

[Flea The Magician]

I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.

Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.

vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town

But the problem being with that is, the fact that we have blank vigilantes who can't back anything up, so it's easy for scum to say they are a vigilante but then claim they must be blank, we aren't then any further forward whether to believe a claim.

For example you can have 4 people claim they shot 4 different people, but all 4 are alive, the 4 claimed vigilantes then can say they must be blank vigilantes and we're still in the square one situation.

So at the current moment, I'm saying a mass claim isn't going to be helpful, it'd probably won't be helpful until at least the last day when numbers are really low.

I've just read the setup and realized that there isn't a town doctor, I just automatically assumed there was a town doctor. I didn't realize that scum had a doctor or roleblocker.

Read enough of it tho

"not reading setup" isn't a good defense here.

[brassherald]

I didn't read the set up but I didn't assume there was a doctor.

[Raya36]

I actually can't think of too many games I've played on here that weren't some sort of role madness game that had a doctor. But I'm not a huge fan of normals so maybe that's why? I might take some time tonight to check out Kop's games.

[Kop]

I imagine if it was a scumslip his partner is staying on the quiet side about it. It would look bad for them to defend him but his partner might also be unsure about bussing yet

I mean it's a pretty solid catch given the interactions that came after it.

I'm happy to dive more games and see just how many had a doctor role.

It's one of those things where frankly, we need to demand an opinion from everyone on.

Yup, if you're not of an opinion, you're avoiding at this point. That was a straight up RVS breaker.
Like I don't care if you have a contrasting opinion, I just care you have one and vocalise it.

But even the basic setups like the normals don't always have doctors

Majority of the basic games have doctors.

Not that I'm aware of, even our newbie games often don't have a doctor.

Like straight up if you're not engaging that slip and the interactions after, I at least want a rough reads list. We don't hammer this yet either.

I'm reading you and Raya has town based on the push on the slip. T-bone or Not Mafia based on the mistake I'm not sure of, Not Mafia is fence sitting with the whole jump on and jump off. I wasn't happy with how quick he changed his mind from T-bone to me, and his original vote wasn't a poke at anything. T-bone has just jumped on without any real pressure from himself on the mistake, and is now pushing for everyones opinion on it to try get more traction on it without offering anything from him, and I feel that he is going to ride the 'his mistake, that doesn't make me scum' excuse when I flip town and if everyone analyzes the wagon that led to my flip.

Off the mistake, scum is within Saundae, Brass, Minivirgo.

[T-Bone]

I know you feel like this is about you atm (for obvious reasons)...but it actually hasn't been about you since Flea's initiation of the issue.

[Flea The Magician]

I know you feel like this is about you atm (for obvious reasons)...but it actually hasn't been about you since Flea's initiation of the issue.

That said, the information is helpful

[Flea The Magician]

and I can understand why kop might've thought that was aimed at him tbh.

[MiniVirgo]

Using the last 3 games of a player on site to check for mechanical information is not sampling bias. The assumption was "there is always a doctor role". The games sampled were of different categories, including a micro.

Except yes it's sampling bias regardless if the result is correct, which I don't know. If you've played around twenty games, with 15 of them having Doctor's in them. Yet the last three games do not have doctors. That's sampling bias

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

That was a scum replace out.

It’s ejjinami and T-Bone, lock it and load it

I can see Ejjinami as I've said before, not sure about T-Bone

[MiniVirgo]

brassherald replaces ejjinami.

Welcome, convince me against my read

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Hello, I am town, so easy game here.

VOTE: Shrapnel

Duh!

brass, how does it feel to replace into a scum slot?

I wouldn't know, as this isn't a scum slot.

Thanks for asking, though.

Not a big fan of this lamist behaviour right off the bat

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Hey Kop, if it wasn't your old games that made you think a doctor is an expected role in most games then why did you assume there'd be a doctor?

I assumed it was a basic setup just with the additions of bombs, supersaints and vigs/blank vigs.

It wasn't my old games that made me assume there was a town doctor in this game.

Hmmm I thought that was your defense

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I'm more interested in the players ignoring this scumslip honestly. It's the most significant piece of game action, and we have ~3 players with opinions on it, and just one asking about it?

If you're not voting Kop, why?

Yeah I am turning on it as we speak, not a big fan of Flea's sampling bias but yeah I thought Kop's defense was that they usually play games with doctors in it.

[MiniVirgo]

There's probably one scum within Kop/Brass/Nepenthe, I am hoping there's both as that makes my reads legendary. I was only those slots to hammer at this point.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I like T-Bones overall tone and their reverse-push on who

isn't

voting Kop as I don't really expect that coming from scum.

[Raya36]

I missed the question about why people not voting Kop aren't.

I'm leaning towards a Kop elim today but we have plenty of time left and don't need him at E-1 yet

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 1.4

Kop(3)

~ Brassherald(37), Flea the Magician(29), T-Bone(23)

nepenthe(2)

~ MiniVirgo(43), Raya36(44)

T-Bone(1)

~ Saudade(19)


Not Voting (3): Kop(15), nepenthe(8), Not_Mafia(17)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-04 01:47:05)

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[Flea The Magician]

Using the last 3 games of a player on site to check for mechanical information is not sampling bias. The assumption was "there is always a doctor role". The games sampled were of different categories, including a micro.

Except yes it's sampling bias regardless if the result is correct, which I don't know. If you've played around twenty games, with 15 of them having Doctor's in them. Yet the last three games do not have doctors. That's sampling bias

- JV

I ain't diving though 3 years worth of games to eliminate this. If kop is willing to provide me a time frame I can reference then Ill be happy to look and compare.

[brassherald]

Hello, I am town, so easy game here.

VOTE: Shrapnel

Duh!

brass, how does it feel to replace into a scum slot?

I wouldn't know, as this isn't a scum slot.

Thanks for asking, though.

Not a big fan of this lamist behaviour right off the bat

- JV

What am I supposed to say to N_M in that situation?

And jokes are jokes. I'm the Jokester. Famous Batman Archmemesis

[MiniVirgo]

Using the last 3 games of a player on site to check for mechanical information is not sampling bias. The assumption was "there is always a doctor role". The games sampled were of different categories, including a micro.

Except yes it's sampling bias regardless if the result is correct, which I don't know. If you've played around twenty games, with 15 of them having Doctor's in them. Yet the last three games do not have doctors. That's sampling bias

- JV

I ain't diving though 3 years worth of games to eliminate this. If kop is willing to provide me a time frame I can reference then Ill be happy to look and compare.

Never said you should, just what you are doing IS sampling bias and thus is not reliable in and of itself.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Hello, I am town, so easy game here.

VOTE: Shrapnel

Duh!

brass, how does it feel to replace into a scum slot?

I wouldn't know, as this isn't a scum slot.

Thanks for asking, though.

Not a big fan of this lamist behaviour right off the bat

- JV

What am I supposed to say to N_M in that situation?

And jokes are jokes. I'm the Jokester. Famous Batman Archmemesis

First post isn't a reply to N_M

- JV