Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[ItalianoVD]

Uh, I just isolated ItalianoVD and despite being relatively active they made like two substantial posts. For lack of any clearly better options, I'm going to VOTE: ItalianoVDVOTE: for now.

Okay. So we’re those substantial posts enough to not vote me and why not just discuss them? Probe me, try to find out what I’m thinking.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Harumi is a slot that will be useful in evaluating other slots for me based on their play thus far, so I'm taking a hands off approach for now with them.

Would they still be useful for evaluating other slots if they are town? I'm not sure if you're talking about a spew-angle here, or a sitting duck/low hanging fruit angle.

Both!

[OutWorldER]

Official Vote Count 1.02

St. Klemenz Church, Bettlach, Switzerland

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

Harumi Ayasato (4): Green Crayons, Testarossa, Duchess, Elements
Elements (2): Dunnstral, RLotus
VP Baltar (2): Andresvmb, Italiano
Datisi (2): Reformed Toxic Player, Lunar Martian
RLotus (1): Harumi Ayasato
Reformed Toxic Player (1): VP Baltar
Duchess (1): Datisi

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-02-28 21:49:12).

Mod notes: Votes on the last VC were not in the correct order, they should be in this one. Tell me if there are any errors.

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[Harumi Ayasato]

VOTE: ItalianoVD

MY FORMATTING IS EXCELLENT

[Lunar Martian]

Elements has my permission to be Town.

I agree elements is prob town. What do you think of their read on harumi? Quality/not quality?

I follow the logic, but I think it's probably just genuine dissonance from Harumi more likely than an error caused by Mafia being disingenuous. I'm not sure what to make of Harumi at this point, but I'm not really reading much into that at this point.

[Harumi Ayasato]

So VP I’m not sure what you got or were trying to get out of the questions you asked me, but even if 58 is joking, I’m not taking a chance.

VOTE: VP Baltar

I dislike Testarossa's post about VP. She comes out looking like she is trying extra hard, putting a lot of thought into the game, maybe an asset to town, but it's far too early in my opinion for any of those points against VP to have come from a genuine ping.

Okay, so are you townleaning VP?

However, I dislike Italiano's subsequent vote even more;

it feels opportunistic in its timing

, and the reason given ("not taking a chance" on whether or not "you caught me" is a joke) is terrible, as if he didn't want to admit he was piggybacking on Testa's post. I think I will keep my Harumi vote for now, but these two are both on my radar.

I posted 72 irt to my interaction with VP. Then I went and skimmed back over the page which is why I mentioned 73 and 74 after the fact.

Now I don’t have read on Tessaract yet. Mindmelding doesn’t exactly mean anything alignment wise, but I wanted to point it out to see how they responded to it.

These are the two posts, not counting the one you just made.

I don't see anything particularly scummy about these but there's a high noise-to-signal ratio right now. I think the best way to resolve this issue is to make this ratio smaller.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

harumi can u give me like a sorta vibes list you have for each slot so far?

thanks

[Green Crayons]

I think I'll have to reread the game tomorrow, I'm in two because the first game was inactive, and I'm a little out of my depth right now. Maybe a reread of this game will help me regain my focus.

Uh, I just isolated ItalianoVD and despite being relatively active they made like two substantial posts. For lack of any clearly better options, I'm going to VOTE: ItalianoVDVOTE: for now.

Did you miss or are you ignoring or did I miss a response to:

suss on Elements but not RTP?

[Green Crayons]

so in your mind, VD, you're a bad scum player because you were meme quick-eliminated in RVS?

Where did you get that? I'm not sure I like or understand your line of questioning.

Where did I get that:

Did you read VD's post that I quoted?


Not sure you like or understand the line of questioning:

Neat. What goal did you have in trying to fence-sit (don't understand & "not sure" if like) undermine a line of questioning that just started?

[Duchess]

I feel no need to defend my undermining of a clear strawman.

[ItalianoVD]

so in your mind, VD, you're a bad scum player because you were meme quick-eliminated in RVS?

Where did you get that? I'm not sure I like or understand your line of questioning.

Where did I get that:

Did you read VD's post that I quoted?


Not sure you like or understand the line of questioning:

Neat. What goal did you have in trying to fence-sit (don't understand & "not sure" if like) undermine a line of questioning that just started?

Oh wow, I missed this. I actually didn't mind the questioning. I didn't think it was that big a deal. Note of a potential Duchess pocket.

[ItalianoVD]

So VP I’m not sure what you got or were trying to get out of the questions you asked me, but even if 58 is joking, I’m not taking a chance.

VOTE: VP Baltar

I dislike Testarossa's post about VP. She comes out looking like she is trying extra hard, putting a lot of thought into the game, maybe an asset to town, but it's far too early in my opinion for any of those points against VP to have come from a genuine ping.

Okay, so are you townleaning VP?

However, I dislike Italiano's subsequent vote even more;

it feels opportunistic in its timing

, and the reason given ("not taking a chance" on whether or not "you caught me" is a joke) is terrible, as if he didn't want to admit he was piggybacking on Testa's post. I think I will keep my Harumi vote for now, but these two are both on my radar.

I posted 72 irt to my interaction with VP. Then I went and skimmed back over the page which is why I mentioned 73 and 74 after the fact.

Now I don’t have read on Tessaract yet. Mindmelding doesn’t exactly mean anything alignment wise, but I wanted to point it out to see how they responded to it.

These are the two posts, not counting the one you just made.

I don't see anything particularly scummy about these but there's a high noise-to-signal ratio right now. I think the best way to resolve this issue is to make this ratio smaller.

I mean is it really that uncommon that on Day 1 within 5 pages that this won't be the case with the majority of players?

[RLotus]

Lotus is that a random vote?

yeah

Do you think Elements self-voting is alignment indicative in any way? Do you think Dunn's vote was random?

No and I presume yes

[RLotus]

suss on Elements but not RTP?

Townlean

Also town vibes from RTP, Duchess, and maybe Datisi

[RLotus]

So VP I’m not sure what you got or were trying to get out of the questions you asked me, but even if 58 is joking, I’m not taking a chance.

VOTE: VP Baltar

I don't like this post. His phrasing makes it seem like that is a read he is going to hold on to and I really don't like a scumread based primarily on some dumb WIFOM.

[Green Crayons]

I feel no need to defend my undermining of a clear strawman.

didn't understand but now thinks it was a clear strawman

[Duchess]

That's not a contradiction; I don't understand why you would ask such a loaded question if you are town.

[Green Crayons]

Spoiler: GC, RTP, & VD

so what i'm hearing is that VD is bad at being scum

nah he just got meme hammered and then partner carried all the way to 3 way and won

so what i'm hearing is that VD is bad at being scum

I’d say so. That was actually a funny/fun game. Players don’t expect to get wagoned/hammered that quick within RVS and I actually lol’d when it happened.

Both RTP and VD correlated their answer about whether VD is bad at being scum with why he was quick-eliminated.

I asked about that because VD's post literally strings "I'm a bad scum player" with "I was quick-eliminated in RVS" in the span of three sentences.

That you first didn't understand this, but also didn't like it, and so felt the need to attack my question before it was even answered, but now think it was clearly strawmanning (?), and also a loaded question (?), looks like you're either actively defending VD or trying to find a reason to shade me or both.

[Duchess]

I didn't interpret any sort of correlation between the two points in post 55, and I'm not sure why proximity trumps context for you in that respect. Italiano himself later explained there is no correlation in post 108.

I already explained what I meant by not liking or understanding it. Don't keep twisting people's words. This is not a defense of Italiano, this is an attack on what I saw as a possible setup for a scummy push. I'm not "trying to find a reason to shade" you, I know exactly what about you I find shady, and am making an honest inquest. Meanwhile, you are continuing to misrepresent others' words including my own, lazily discrediting my arguments with your "(?)"s, and projecting your own vague shadecasting onto me.

UNVOTE: Harumi

VOTE: Green Crayons

[Green Crayons]

lol

I *know* what VD said in 101, because he explained himself—including clarifying that he was not linking his quality at being scum with his quick elim. Which is a big nothing and why I dropped it. Like I dropped all any line of Qs that are nothingburgers.

That you are contorting basic Q&A logic by saying *I’m* stawmanning and asking loaded Qs when both RTP and VD’s entire response to my Q contained a y/n and then what clearly appeared an explanation for that y/n by referring to the quick-elim (rather than assuming the reference to the quick elim was a non-sequitur, which is not how normal conversation operates) is so incredibly disingenuous, that your vote-and-attack by being gently pushed on this seems AI defensive.

VOTE: duchess

[Green Crayons]

Is GC bad at baseball?

Yes. He struck out the first time he went to the plate.

So GC is bad at baseball bc he struck out the first time you went to bat?


Trying to shade me for linking the yes/no longer to the immediately following observation, that I’m twisting words, is just so scummy.

Trying to shade me for connecting the

[Green Crayons]

Yes/no answer*

Phone posting so formatting errors too. Wheee.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

GC town

[Andresvmb]

Btw I’m VLA until tomorrow possibly (I might log in tonight), but I see the game is really starting to get going.

[VP Baltar]

GC town

Go on