In post 534, Andresvmb wrote:And Dunn is way too aggressive in their retort to VPB when coming back for Scum.
Uh what? He's not aggressive at all. Just basically says he's not going to respond and that he lurks as both alignments.
Even if I take him at his word that he lurks, he's also just not engaging with....anything....when he is here. So it goes beyond lurking to just avoiding interaction other than to say 'dont look at me.' Doesn't ring like aggressive to me (not that I agree with your premise that is a town trait).
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In post 351, Lunar Martian wrote:Personally I'm more interested in Dunnstral and whether he always is this lurky and fluffy.
I'm down to wagon GC.
Do you need something?
Why are you posting regularly in other games but not here?
Why did you ignore my request for some reads?
Because I didn't see it.
This game isn't interesting right now
Reads: Green Crayons, Reformed Toxic Player for town
Scumreads: Not really sure, Elements was/is being weird, Testarossa I understand little of what is going on in her head despite her posts and it feels like she's said less than she has
VOTE: Testarossa
Out of all of the ways in which someone can respond to an accusation of lurking while returning to a thread, I thought this was on the more confrontational side.
Everybody plays Scum differently. I suppose we all have different views as to how Scum play. I find that independent thought and a baseline skepticism / hostility tend to be difficult for Scum to genuinely maintain. But I know what you mean - that unnecessary aggression that allows for a shit push, yeah Scum do that all the time.
In post 385, Datisi wrote:edit: ok, after writing this post but before submitting, i went to iso andres to see if he's talked about his elements vote, and he actually did, he saw their vote as the scummiest one on the duchess wagon. so that breaks my theory and makes me feel better on andres. false alarm, carry on with your day, everyone. /edit
Can you explain to me why you don’t think Elements is Scum here? I spent some time slowly re-reading the game, and for the life of me I can’t seem to agree with their worldview at all, and I think them putting me as Town was to appease me.
is there a reason why that part of my post was quoted for this question?
and /shrug. that early readslist was townish but i notice now they've kinda slipped under my radar, and reskimming their iso, i definitely don't townread them anymore. i'm currently stuck in "waiting for elements to explain the heck was their read on me" limbo. also i'm aware that elements has a yeet-baity sorta playstyle, which is why i'm willing to give them a bit more time before making conclusions.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 553, Datisi wrote:is there a reason why that part of my post was quoted for this question?
In that particular case, I only did it so that I could keep track of where I was when re-reading the game. But honestly I don’t know how to feel about you Datisi. From where I sit, you are almost justifying having a negative view of my slot as something that just happens for you naturally even when I’m Town, and even when your first impression doesn’t quite match with how I have actually played the game so far. And I’m saying this since you admitted that I did provide some explanation for my vote on Elements when at first you thought I hadn’t given any.
In post 551, Andresvmb wrote:Out of all of the ways in which someone can respond to an accusation of lurking while returning to a thread, I thought this was on the more confrontational side.
How is it aggressive to say 'this game is boring, so I'm not play'?
Also, I forgot he is voting one of your top townreads. Lol
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I feel like you’re trying too hard to explain yourself. I don’t know, it’s a vibe I’m getting.
ok but
why is that scummy
In post 521, RLotus wrote:Nah Italiano bites back when he gets scumread as town, the defeatism is the nail in the coffin imo
have you checked any of his scumgames for that?
dislike 544 because i've seen a "ok i'll do things Later" post come from scum one too many times
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 555, VP Baltar wrote:How is it aggressive to say 'this game is boring, so I'm not play'?
You didn’t think the first question was confrontational at all? And admitting that they think the game is boring seemed somewhat aggressive to me. Aggressive in a “I don’t give a crap about what you think of me” kind of way. I need to find a better word for it.
In post 553, Datisi wrote:is there a reason why that part of my post was quoted for this question?
In that particular case, I only did it so that I could keep track of where I was when re-reading the game. But honestly I don’t know how to feel about you Datisi. From where I sit, you are almost justifying having a negative view of my slot as something that just happens for you naturally even when I’m Town, and even when your first impression doesn’t quite match with how I have actually played the game so far. And I’m saying this since you admitted that I did provide some explanation for my vote on Elements when at first you thought I hadn’t given any.
i was also asking why were you asking me in particular that question about elements, sorry if that was unclear
and like... you do understand that i don't hold a negative view of your slot because of that? i thought your posts didn't make sense because in my mind town!andres would've looked into duchess voters, i typed it out, i relooked at your iso before hitting submit, nevermind i was wrong, he did do that (and forgive me for forgetting that, i'm a few atm), this does make sense. like, if i was trying to justify a negative view of your slot, don't you think i'd have picked something that's i also don't then debunk myself 3 seconds later?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
like i'm trying to be as objective as i can because i know i have a bias towards scumreading your style/tone. even reading your latest posts i want to vote you because to me you seem pretty sure about elements but also "if i were sure on anyone, you should find me suspicious", but i *know* i was wrong on similar things and i'm trying to figure out how to read you
pedit: yeah. sorry i can't in good faith give you a strong case why elements is or isn't scum here. i recently finished modding a game where they got yeeted for being weird/scummy while actually having the best reads in town which is why i have zero interest in making hasty conclusions.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 559, Datisi wrote:don't you think i'd have picked something that's i also don't then debunk myself 3 seconds later?
I’m not quite sure what you were trying to do to be honest with you.
i was writing out my thought/solving process. that's how i play this game, i try to get as much of my thought process out as possible. doesn't matter if it's contradictory or i can't quite explain it or makes me look bad or whatever. i trust that at some point people are going to townread me for the transparency.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 564, Datisi wrote:even reading your latest posts i want to vote you because to me you seem pretty sure about elements
You have not played with me enough if you think this is me being sure of a read. I have self-hammered while calling for someone’s head in all caps when I was sure of a read (and mind you, I was right). This is me inviting discussion and disagreement. It’s the best way to test a theory and read others.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
@baltar, in your opinion, how's andres stock doing?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 525, Andresvmb wrote:But I really want someone to tell me why I should TR there.
Hmm looking at my ISO, I townread Elements because I thought they wouldn't make 31 as scum. I think I thought so because I didn't think scum would make that type of post unprompted.
In post 556, Datisi wrote:dislike 544 because i've seen a "ok i'll do things Later" post come from scum one too many times
Harumi's most recent post isn't too inspiring for similar reasons.
In post 560, Andresvmb wrote:I find large explanations or cases on anything D1 to be suspicious. It makes me think you’re full of hot air.
This seems like a blanket scumread, and I don't know if you really believe that it applies to every player.
Also, I don't think people should be townread for "not caring about perception". Most players are easily able to fake that type of uncaring tone as scum. I get that there are going to be town players who also don't care, so this is this more of an argument not to townread those types of players (Dunn this game).
In post 568, Datisi wrote:@baltar, in your opinion, how's andres stock doing?
Stable at low levels. Not falling, but not rising either. I'm not entirely convinced these two exchanges show what I'd expect from a town mindset. On a gut level, it feels like some bullshitting explanations for stances.
But, it also feels like I should reread the past two or three pages with a fine tooth comb and settle on an opinion after that. I need to start my work day now, so that probably won't happen imminently.
Either way, I don't think andres is my top priority today. I def want to hear from Italiano and may switch my vote there soon ish.
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In post 546, VP Baltar wrote:Italiano, can you respond specifically to this contradiction Lotus has highlighted around your own views of your scum ability?
Uhh, I guess it’s an oxymoron. If someone asks me if I’m good at scum as partners (like RTP highlighted) I will say yes so they don’t have to worry about me being a liability. And all that means is I know how to play wolf/scum and have a lot of experience at it. But if someone asks if I’m bad at scum, I’m gonna say yes because of the reasons I’ve already stated. I know my history and myself better than anyone. I genuinely do have a hard time lying and manipulating and when I pull that red pm I’m always disappointed. I enjoy being villager 100x more than being wolf/scum. But you also have to take into account for mood, what’s going on in rl, time of day, etc. Just because I may be excited as scum or bored and uninterested as town doesn’t change my base feelings of both alignments. I hate being scum and love being town. That’s it.
My comment to you is you have been mainly highlighting my reactions as the reasons I’m scum to you, but reactions are nai. Can’t always go by reactions. Not always, but generally scum are trying to direct the game into a specific gamestate or onto specific people. Who has been directing? That’s what I’m trying to figure out. I’m not scum and you’ll eventually see this or you already know. Sooner or later this town will know my true intentions.
In post 569, midwaybear wrote:This seems like a blanket scumread, and I don't know if you really believe that it applies to every player.
It doesn’t though. I only said it made me suspicious. It just makes me want to look closer. If I was using it to SR every player, then I would have to have negative Leans on Duchess and Green Crayons (and maybe even Italiano) based on their exchange and I don’t.
In post 569, midwaybear wrote:Also, I don't think people should be townread for "not caring about perception". Most players are easily able to fake that type of uncaring tone as scum.
This is fair. It has to be combined with some attempt at solving, it can’t be just I don’t care what you think and I’m going to sit idly by. So I understand for example where VPB is coming from, where they’re being skeptical about the fact that Dunn appears bored and uninterested in solving. But I would argue that Dunn has given some opinions, and they don’t seem insane to me.
