Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Battle Mage]

ah ignore the quote in 673, i started going through from the start and got distracted

[Datisi]

Datisi, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on andres. (Did I ask that already?)

if you have, i didn't see it. my plan for andres this game was frankly to read you first, and if i have a townread on you, to sheep you on him, since i vaguely remember a post from you in a different game where you said you think you'd be able to read him well.

off the top of my head, he's vaguely south of null, bc i don't appreciate the vague shade / his read towards me and the "there's scum pushing italiano, if italiano flips town these people are +scum" while not actually getting to any conclusions who it is and why. though i admit this is way too surface-level than i'd like, so i'll reread/reskim his iso again Soon(tm) and see what i find.

[Datisi]

what's the case on Dunn?

he bein' kinda lurky and not towny

my townreads be votin' there

i'm a sheep

the game has kinda not done much in the past 2-3 days

[Battle Mage]

Elements, RTP, and Lunar are the only players who have given unexplained reads (though yes I see some explanations once pressed). Did I kiss anyone else with this style of play in this game?

Did I kiss anyone else with this style of play in this game?

kiss anyone

the most beautiful lover-crumb i've ever seen.

[Battle Mage]

what's the case on Dunn?

he bein' kinda lurky and not towny

my townreads be votin' there

i'm a sheep

the game has kinda not done much in the past 2-3 days

Dunn is always lurky. I think I've played lots of games with him but he normally stays pretty quiet so hard to remember. We're 27 pages deep though, so let's make something happen.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Green Crayons]

BM only you have my heart

[Battle Mage]

Re: 451 & 452
Well, you know, it might be better to vote me out then cause it's apparent I'm not gonna be of help to the town. I've been lazy man. All that stuff I do as town, I just didn't/don't feel like doing it this game, especially on Day 1. I don't know why, I just don't. Slots have been pinging me, but I just don't really feel like going in depth with it, hoping that gutreads would be enough. I know that's bad and not helpful, however, information can still be gleaned from my flip.

Another thing is I feel like everything I do and say is getting scumread and everything I answer is not good enough , and it feels like I'm just digging my grave deeper and deeper the more I post and interact. It's part of the game so it's cool, but it's also exhausting. If/when I do get to E1, I definitely won't hammer. I'm not gonna cutoff the discussion like that. And I'm not scum, I'm just bad townie this game.

definitely feel the emotion here. happy to assume Italiano is locktown - I think Italiano-scum has more self-respect than to run this as a gambit.

[Battle Mage]

BM only you have my heart

<3 love you too mate

[Battle Mage]

lunar martian's posting jars a bit, so maybe looking at midwaybear-slot.

leaning town on Duchess for the early aggression - seems a short-sighted strategy if scum, so assume town.

[VP Baltar]

what's the case on Dunn?

Lurking/trying to be too cool for school. Mostly just based on me getting the same vibe from him as when we were scum together. I've tried to give him a few off ramps to prove he is town to me and that I'm off base, he hasn't taken them.

[Datisi]

definitely feel the emotion here. happy to assume Italiano is locktown - I think Italiano-scum has more self-respect than to run this as a gambit.

this a meta or a general read?

[Battle Mage]

definitely feel the emotion here. happy to assume Italiano is locktown - I think Italiano-scum has more self-respect than to run this as a gambit.

this a meta or a general read?

both i guess - it's an overall read but i do have lots of experience with italiano-scum.

[Battle Mage]

i'd do elements today if we could get a majority

[VP Baltar]

i'd do elements today if we could get a majority

I'm listening. What are you seeing?

Also is dunn at E-1 now?

[Battle Mage]

e-2 i think

I don't think their ISO is great. I think if my reads were as fleshed out as the readslist below, I probably hold fire on posting a readslist because it's a bit presentational and superficial. But if I do post a readslist then, I avail myself of every opportunity to update it. I struggle with posting an early readslist when you don't have reads on lots of players and then not coming back to it. It just seemed a bit like doing something townies do, and because they promised it early, but not really having their heart in solving like that.

normally by this point I'd have a pretty solid read list but I only know three of your so that ain't gonna happen this time

Elements

- 100% town. Likes to embellish their abilities.

VP Baltar

- Highly consistent in activity and engaging with anyone that happens to be online at the same time as him. Actively trying to solve the game.

midwaybear

- Lunar was towny. Very similar vibes to the last game I played with him. midwaybear's entrance kept the vibes going well.

Reformed Toxic Player

- Relaxed, doesn't seem fussed about what people feel about them. Lots of questioning and probing.

Andresvmb

- Based partly on other people's takes. I like the Dutchess/GC analysis.

RLotus

- Most of the shot posts don't give me anything ai, but the recent take on Me, GC, Italiano voting is a great line of thinking.

Duchess

- Towny side of the middle. The longer analysis posts are giving me town vibes. The constant "Yo Elements, stop ignoring me." without using that as a reason for a read also gives me good vibes. I was disappointed in the towning because I did the same thing of ignoring to norweegianboy at one point from a scum read and their reaction to it just heightened the scumread so I suppose it was a bit of a reaction test.

Datisi

- Haven't figured out how to read this one. I think he's generally quite towny, but other people don't? Not rlly sure what to think.

ItalianoVD

- Cannot remember how I called out his team in the werewolf game but nothing has

Green Crayons

- Fairly null. People have been commenting on tvs with Dutchess and I can see that being either one of them. GC is slightly lower because Dutchess is higher.

Testarossa

- Not a big fan of what's been posted so far, could also be from the pfp.

Dunnstral

- Trusting other people's reads about low activity.

Harumi Ayasato

- Do not like their views on me in the slightest nor the fact they keep bringing the point they don't like how I'm playing up. Seems very set on shading me for some reason and pretty much ignoring the other things going on atm.

VOTE: Harumi Avasato

[Battle Mage]

Readslist.

Andresvb: Did absolutely nothing, and therefore is a null read.
Daitsi: Did useful things. Seemed to flip on Duchess (scum -> town) which pings me a bit, but otherwise is mostly fine so town lean.
Duchess: I don't like how they call me out for aggressive language but use exactly the same tone. Their aggression in general is a bit eh to me. Neutral.
Dunnstral: Made exactly two substantial posts and six posts total. Null read.
Elements: Did very little, and all of their reads are "gut reads" with little explanation for what, exactly, pings their radar. Neutral.
Green Crayon: Does do things, and seems to be pretty good at the aforementioned doing things. Town read, and probably my strongest so far.
Harumi Ayasato: *waves*
Italiano: Still didn't do much useful, and seems to have a fixation on arguing with Duchess? Scum lean.
Lunar Martian: Made exactly one useful post (barring "Duchess is just Town, right?" with no explanation whatsoever). Null read.
Reformed Toxic Player: Did a bunch of no-explanation reads at the start which I don't like, but then stopped doing that and started doing more useful things unlike Italiano. Would like an explanation for that. Town lean for now though.
RLotus: Did very little and what he did do had little explanation. Neutral.
Testarossa: Didn't post a lot but made the most of what they did say. Town lean.
VP Baltar: 50% of Baltar's posts (well, roughly) are questions which might be an attempt to cover up more useful discussion, maybe. I also don't like him asking for peoples' opinions of someone voting him, which just screams "defend me!" to me. Neutral.

similarly this is a bit eggy...

[Battle Mage]

also where even are elements and dunnstral??

[Green Crayons]

I thought elements bare-bones reads list was consistent with their town play in prior games, so was null or at least didn't point to scum. Chewing over whether I think this some-what meaty (in comparison) but still minimal reads list is sufficiently different to be AI.

It just seemed a bit like doing something townies do, and

because they promised it early

, but not really having their heart in solving like that.

I missed this. Where did you see this?

[Green Crayons]

what's the case on Dunn?

also where even are elements and dunnstral??

Exactly.

[Green Crayons]

I accept Dunn is lurker regardless of alignment, but rn I'm content with lurker votes. We've got time to whip up activity.

[Green Crayons]

It just seemed a bit like doing something townies do, and

because they promised it early

, but not really having their heart in solving like that.

I missed this. Where did you see this?

Oh you're saying 31 was a promise for a reads list?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Harumi Ayasato
-Assertive behavior early on, puts themselves on the spot with a push
-Attacks multiple people, when voting Italiano has a clear reasoning for it
-reads list in 245 well written
-Has specific reasoning for their pushes when prodded for it
-Overall feels uninformed

Green Crayons
-69 post count at the time of making this(nice) (also joke)
-points out the contradiction wrt harumi’s read, leans town for me
-defensive about being misrepped
-is trying to work with others

Votato(yuck)/midwaybear(<3)
-lack of care for how they are perceived
-posing good questions to others that clearly lead to conclusions
-337 feels very towny with the contrarian thing
-their read on andres looks fluid, when they locktown them and are not afraid to change that after a reread
-on replace in, quickly gives thoughts
-generally towny vibe, feels like town midway(gut)


Reformed toxic user
-thats me
-im town as fuck
-if you disagree you’re wrong as fuck
-literally never wrong
-not toxic btw


Testarossa/Battle Mage
-gun to head i’d say town? But theres not enough content to say i would use as reasons to townread them

Andres
-is taking stances, solid ones
-good analysis on other players, wiling to clear them from PoE
-seems to have naturally figured out who I was - something i think that would be more likely if they were in a scum pt with 2 others, as 1 other person here knew who i was
-im tending to agree with their pushes/points which is town-indicative for me
-is willing to townread me despite my consistent scumread on them.

Elements
-is honest about them not outting an early reads list with good reasoning
-reads lists later on has good looking reasoning
-is pushing people to make reads on them, which is attention grabbing

ItalianoVD
-is open about their scumgame early on
-very relaxed energy!
-during player v player fight(duchess/GC), goes after the person whos townreading them
-makes statements that can be backed up
-is willing to reeval rather than deathtunnel duchess
-outs their thought process, and admits fault in being in the middle of the fight and helping instigate it
-overall the way they are reaching conclusions feel organic and honest
-when asked why they are annoyed, they had a good list in response


sup sorry

i have to get ready for work

i have been getting distracted working on this constantly - im releasing what i have so far because i already have a conclusion where I have 2 scumreads based on my readings.

VOTE: Green Crayons

I think italiano is town here now.

andres is town should this flip scum every time.

harumi i feel is not as towny as i initially thought - i still think scum!GC implies town!harumi

[Reformed Toxic Player]

also likley partner for GC = Elements.

i wanted to post this now so we can get some reactions based on this. I'm fairly confident on thsi at this point.

Wanna get people's thoughts. I think last scum I'll find in the people ive yet to go through.

[VP Baltar]

also likley partner for GC = Elements.

i wanted to post this now so we can get some reactions based on this. I'm fairly confident on thsi at this point.

Wanna get people's thoughts. I think last scum I'll find in the people ive yet to go through.

I'm not following how you have scum reads on GC and elements when you posted seemingly positive attributes of their play?

[Datisi]

how do you get scumreads on two players from those notes??

andres is town should this flip scum every time.

harumi i feel is not as towny as i initially thought - i still think scum!GC implies town!harumi

also what's the reason behind this?

pedit: lol