Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Datisi]

room-temperature take: italiano is hoping that the "i give up" ate makes townies defend him / reconsider

also if he flips scum i'd bet good

money

brownie points that he's being bussed rn

[Green Crayons]

Yeah I mean that’s what bothered me but why I asked for his explanation re town POV.

[Green Crayons]

Not the bus part I haven’t gotten that far

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: maxwell want to trust my gut

Prefer this over VD and elements atm

[ItalianoVD]

room-temperature take: italiano is hoping that the "i give up" ate makes townies defend him / reconsider

Yeah, uhh not at all. I actually just want the day to end. If the ones who really feel I’m scum are actually town then my green flip will do more than just prove them wrong, but should give some insight onto who wasn’t on me.

[maxwell]

as much as I don't like how GC has been pushing the game -> theres a certain like aura around the situation that makes me feel like GC is town here whos wrong. theres also another reason im more hesitant in pushing there atm that may reveal itself in the future.

the way the game has been going - i think theres at least 1 scum in lurkers rn - dunns/duchess.

if I had to have a PoE right now: italiano, dunn, andres(something doesnt feel right here), duchess, elements(just based on them falling off and my flip on my GC read here)

wew the more like i was trying to make that poe the more i realized how many ppl i didnt feel comfortable putting into it ? if this doesnt contain all scum - it needs to be reevalled heavily and isn't useful at all.

if im like 0/5 literally deleting this account LOL

Content-wise, Dunn is a lot worse than Duchess

@elements why are you voting lotus now?

I don't think anyone I want to vote out is getting voted out and I don't want any of the people it looks like are going to be voted out to be voted out. I also liked maxewll's most recent catch up

Er, what about it did you actually like?

[maxwell]

I think {VPB, Datisi, RTP, Duchess, Elements} are Town. There’s varying reasons for this group in my head. {Datisi, VPB} are clearly trying to solve, don’t seem informed to me, and I can’t say I find them particularly objectionable (they’re also likely not aligned I think, and that has to do with how they’re treating each other). I’ve disagreed with Datisi on a few reads (most notably Italiano if I remember correctly) but overall yeah I’m okay with tone/approach. I think VPB has been irritable/solvey and they’re not backing from a fight (say for example, with Green Crayons). I think that’s likely coming from Town.

RTP is confusing the crap out of me. But a few things - they’ve exhibited genuine attempts at pursuing particular slots with no regard for how they come across (I can think of a few dogged fights with Battle Mage / Green Crayons / VPB / Datisi / Italiano just from the top of my head), they’ve been all over the place really (and it doesn’t immediately strike me as flip flopping for the sake of it - and really how does that help you as Scum?), and most importantly, there’s a lot of emotion coming from them (and it feels genuine, which already VPB and Datisi have spoken about). I do overall after a lot of thought can’t say I think RTP is Scum.

Duchess seems thoughtful to me, and Elements I have already made some points about but I do think that they’ve made some good arguments, and do come somewhat across as low hanging fruit in a way (they’ve self-voted repeatedly, openly admit to having little to contribute at times, etc.). So yeah RTP, you’ve SR here at different times and I think you’re wrong.

Hm, aside from the duchess read this is all good and about what I was thinking. Duchess read is a little thin.


I'm definitely on the side of "someone needs to be flipped already" - this day 1 has gone on too long already and things get muddled which leads to apathy. I don't really have high confidence in an Italiano scumflip but I don't have strong opinions on targets I think are better - I think I'd not oppose a Dunnstral wagon if it came down to it.

[VP Baltar]

Benefits of a Dunn wagon: he has contributed nothing despite me trying to prompt interaction from him several times. He may be following the thread and just not posting. When he does post, they are mostly just prod dodge type posts. There is no guarantee he is going to suddenly become useful later in the game.

Downside: if he flips scum, there isn't a lot of info to go on.

[Datisi]

Can understand Datisi's points agauinst Italiano decently well although I've some reservations based on a few posts I thought were townish, if it came down to it I don't think I'd oppose a compromise vote there.

did anything change from there to here?

[maxwell]

Can understand Datisi's points agauinst Italiano decently well although I've some reservations based on a few posts I thought were townish, if it came down to it I don't think I'd oppose a compromise vote there.

did anything change from there to here?

Nope, my position is pretty much the same now as it was then, but time is short and that seems to be where people have moved.

[ItalianoVD]

Benefits of a Dunn wagon: he has contributed nothing despite me trying to prompt interaction from him several times. He may be following the thread and just not posting. When he does post, they are mostly just prod dodge type posts. There is no guarantee he is going to suddenly become useful later in the game.

Downside: if he flips scum, there isn't a lot of info to go on.

Maybe something to look at/pursue Day 2.

[ItalianoVD]

Nope, my position is pretty much the same now as it was then, but time is short and that seems to be where people have moved.

So let’s get that vote up then yes?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Benefits of a Dunn wagon: he has contributed nothing despite me trying to prompt interaction from him several times. He may be following the thread and just not posting. When he does post, they are mostly just prod dodge type posts. There is no guarantee he is going to suddenly become useful later in the game.

Downside: if he flips scum, there isn't a lot of info to go on.

Ah the classic town shitting themselves on a d1 scum elim making wrong assumptions on associatives the rest of the game.

[VP Baltar]

Benefits of a Dunn wagon: he has contributed nothing despite me trying to prompt interaction from him several times. He may be following the thread and just not posting. When he does post, they are mostly just prod dodge type posts. There is no guarantee he is going to suddenly become useful later in the game.

Downside: if he flips scum, there isn't a lot of info to go on.

Ah the classic town shitting themselves on a d1 scum elim making wrong assumptions on associatives the rest of the game.

What? Who am I making associatives on?

[DkKoba]

Benefits of a Dunn wagon: he has contributed nothing despite me trying to prompt interaction from him several times. He may be following the thread and just not posting. When he does post, they are mostly just prod dodge type posts. There is no guarantee he is going to suddenly become useful later in the game.

Downside: if he flips scum, there isn't a lot of info to go on.

Ah the classic town shitting themselves on a d1 scum elim making wrong assumptions on associatives the rest of the game.

What? Who am I making associatives on?

It wasnt to you it was a general statement abt lucky scum elims d1

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Benefits of a Dunn wagon: he has contributed nothing despite me trying to prompt interaction from him several times. He may be following the thread and just not posting. When he does post, they are mostly just prod dodge type posts. There is no guarantee he is going to suddenly become useful later in the game.

Downside: if he flips scum, there isn't a lot of info to go on.

Ah the classic town shitting themselves on a d1 scum elim making wrong assumptions on associatives the rest of the game.

What? Who am I making associatives on?

It wasnt to you it was a general statement abt lucky scum elims d1

11th time so far? Lol
gotta keep quoting these so theyre in my iso lolol

[RLotus]

@Elements @BM might as well just vote me. We can end this day and you guys can catch the scum that’s on my wagon.

Ya know saying stuff like this just dirties up your wagon. Elements and BM or whoever you are prompting to vote you can just say well he literally told me to vote him how is that scummy. And well that is true. Makes it harder to find scum on your wagon.

[ItalianoVD]

But I don’t think those two are scum.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

@Elements @BM might as well just vote me. We can end this day and you guys can catch the scum that’s on my wagon.

Ya know saying stuff like this just dirties up your wagon. Elements and BM or whoever you are prompting to vote you can just say well he literally told me to vote him how is that scummy. And well that is true. Makes it harder to find scum on your wagon.

Just sounds like anti spew to me

[RLotus]

But I don’t think those two are scum.

If you are telling 2 townies to vote for you, how do you expect to find scum on your wagon??

[Datisi]

Can understand Datisi's points agauinst Italiano decently well although I've some reservations based on a few posts I thought were townish, if it came down to it I don't think I'd oppose a compromise vote there.

did anything change from there to here?

Nope, my position is pretty much the same now as it was then, but time is short and that seems to be where people have moved.

then what is the problem

also lol imagine italiano actually accusing someone voting for him of being scum?

[maxwell]

Are you asking me why I'm not voting him right now?

[ItalianoVD]

People are smart they’ll figure it out.

[Datisi]

Are you asking me why I'm not voting him right now?

more or less, yeah.

People are smart they’ll figure it out.

so you *are* being bussed, thanks!

[Andresvmb]

Are you asking me why I'm not voting him right now?

more or less, yeah.

People are smart they’ll figure it out.

so you *are* being bussed, thanks!

I really hope Italiano is Scum, only because if not, these sorts of posts are going to look so Scummy in retrospect.