Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

I’m going to need more from you than this, that’s for sure.

I still don't like Dunn but he was on E-1

[Elements]

oooo a pagetop
I'll catch up tomorrow

[Elements]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12635404#p12635404]
I'll reread Lotus's, midway's, and Elements' ISOs later today, as i think they were on the lower end of my town reads, but i might be confusing midway and andre[/quote]
I'll be interested to see what this brings up

[Elements]

I'll reread Lotus's, midway's, and Elements' ISOs later today, as i think they were on the lower end of my town reads, but i might be confusing midway and andre

I'll be interested to see what conclusions you draw from this rather

[Datisi]

ok so i was working under the assumption that you hating my smugness = scumreading it but now i'm confused. can you lay out what's your read on me right now?

I’m skeptical that you have the game right, I don’t think Dunn will flip Scum, and I’m just generally annoyed that there’s so much... passivity in this game. I don’t have you as Scum right now. But I don’t like arguments that are easily disproven either. Trying to discredit me by making an argument that was false IS annoying. I am not just blindly going to follow along here. I want to see people be aggressive and push to figure out what’s going on. 6 votes so quickly on Dunn - does that seem like an engaged Town to you?

lol, sorry about that. my point was never that rtp never suspected me, just that they didn't suspect me in the later part of d1. fwiw, i wouldn't intentionally make a dumbass easily-disproven argument as scum either, because it's stupid and easily disproven. i just forgot how big the "later" part is.

that said i'm still not satisfied with your response. if you don't have me as scum, why was your reaction so (for a lack of a better word) sour in 1779 when talking about me?

I'm not sure. I actually voted him because I saw that he was a viable wagon from 1602.
I was still townreading Elements, and didn't really have an opinion on GC at the time.

midway do you have any reads

oooo a pagetop
I'll catch up tomorrow

has your opinion of lotus shifted in any way since yesterday?

[Dunnstral]

So, yes. You were getting ready to make a push against me with the amish tell in mind

Well if you say so, then that must be correct. Thanks, I wasn't aware I was doing that

[Dunnstral]

Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.

Okay but Italiano flipped Town so how is this remotely relevant?

You kidding? You know scum know who the town are, right?

You said you were SR’ing Dunn and midwaybear. Today. But your explanation is something that literally didn’t happen. So what are you saying exactly?

No I'm not saying I was scum reading midway. I'm saying that is one possible answer for Dunn's avoiding an inevitable wagon.

You had a chance to vote him while a wagon was building there but chose to counter-wagon on me isntead

[Dunnstral]

ok so i was working under the assumption that you hating my smugness = scumreading it but now i'm confused. can you lay out what's your read on me right now?

I’m skeptical that you have the game right, I don’t think Dunn will flip Scum, and I’m just generally annoyed that there’s so much... passivity in this game. I don’t have you as Scum right now. But I don’t like arguments that are easily disproven either. Trying to discredit me by making an argument that was false IS annoying. I am not just blindly going to follow along here. I want to see people be aggressive and push to figure out what’s going on. 6 votes so quickly on Dunn - does that seem like an engaged Town to you?

I don't really know why I'm being run up today anyway

[VP Baltar]

You had a chance to vote him while a wagon was building there but chose to counter-wagon on me isntead

Waves hand at final vote count

[Dunnstral]

I'd prefer if you used your words

[Datisi]

hi dunn can you acknowledge my 1757 ok thanks bye

[Dunnstral]

hi dunn can you acknowledge my 1757 ok thanks bye

It's cherry picking

If you notice, I didn't have a whole lot to say throughout the entirety of day 1. Phrasing it as if I was doing something special around the italiano wagon is misleading - were you expecting me to be more engaged?

[Dunnstral]

Also I didn't see Italiano as 'a forgone conclusion' and was expecting for there to be a phase where people evaluate whether whatever he claims (even if it is vt) seems legit

[Datisi]

yes, yes i was actually

like i asked you, maybe even multiple times idr anymore, what are your thoughts / why they are the way they are

the one post i was able to find on italiano from you is that you townread them / didn't scumread them - i'd have expected to see some sorta conviction behind it if it were a real read?

it looks like you didn't really care about that wagon building (bc you did nothing to try to alter it) but jumped in at the very end of day to make sure to show you were not voting italiano

also like, the above post is kinda false?? like there were 5 votes on him, 6 if you count maxwell who was all but voting, and italiano implying he was gonna self-hammer. did you really think he was about to claim??

actually checking back, him saying he wasn't gonna claim happened *before* your vote on midway

so like

what's up

[Dunnstral]

I don't think he ever implied he was going to self hammer. Or if he did, I didn't see it

I didn't realize he was going to be stubborn enough to hammer himself instead of claiming

If he was going to sit at l-1 without claiming, that's something to talk about too (unless someone quickly hammers him)
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Again, it's cherry-picking, I wasn't following the thread closely enough to be deeply opposed to anything other than an elim on myself. I took a look while the wagon was forming and pointed out that I liked something he did, it's not my fault that nobody cared. I then started looking for scum and didn't like what midway was doing

[Datisi]

Aight I’m done. Make it happen max, so I can finally end this day.

if he had something to claim, he would have already.

Not claiming.

it was literally a couple of posts above your vote on midway

i don't think it's fair to say "not my fault nobody cared" when it's kinda obvious you didn't *try* to convince anyone

[Datisi]

dunn, can i get a readslist or something from you?

[VP Baltar]

I'd prefer if you used your words

Look at the ending vote count for D1 and then reevaluate your statement.

[Green Crayons]

I'll reread Lotus's, midway's, and Elements' ISOs later today, as i think they were on the lower end of my town reads, but i might be confusing midway and andre

I'll be interested to see what conclusions you draw from this rather

i had too much to drink so im going to do this tomorrow i'll start with youuuuu <3

[VP Baltar]

I then started looking for scum and didn't like what midway was doing

Had you been looking for scum prior to then?

[VP Baltar]

Like how can you possibly know they’re both Scum? And that Dunn decided to land on midwaybear at the end of the day for “future Town cred”? Why are you so willing to give all of the early Italiano pushers a pass? Is it because you were one of them too?

This is such a bad post, btw.

I never said I know for a fact midway and dunn are scum. I offered a theory that I think makes a lot of sense. The shade at the end of your post is also completely unfounded. I never gave a free pass to people on that wagon, nor am I asking for a free pass. You're making an awful lot of innuendo with zero reason other than...

*Checks notes*

..I still think my top scum read is scum.

[VP Baltar]

No I'm not saying I was scum reading midway. I'm saying that is one possible answer for Dunn's avoiding an inevitable wagon.

You could make this point about literally anyone not voting Italiano at the end of the day.

Well we had replacements we were waiting on, so that's null.

Of the people who showed up right at the end as the final hours of deadline ticked off, Dunn is the one who voted with very little reason on midway when it was obvious that wasn't going to happen.

It's not like Dunn was some Italiano stan all day. That would at least be a reasonable position then. But voting in a go nowhere spot as deadline looms and there is only one reasonably likely yeet for the day? Meh.

[VP Baltar]

The problem here is that everybody is looking at the game as if Italiano was the inevitable conclusion to the day

I counter by asking you who else was a viable yeet? As someone who tried to get traction other places, I assure you it was not easy.

I think you're kind of full of shit with this outrage about a Dunn wagon. I don't mind someone making the argument we should hunt on the Italiano wagon, but you're not making good arguments WHY...other than "italiano flip green," which is pretty basic thinking about what may have gone down there.

That being said, I do think GC is the scummiest of that wagon probably, so I can criticize your vote necessarily.

[Dunnstral]

I'd prefer if you used your words

Look at the ending vote count for D1 and then reevaluate your statement.

No response necessary

[Dunnstral]

dunn, can i get a readslist or something from you?

I don't feel good about making one right now

I think midway looks bad and vp baltar's push coming into day 2 looks bad

And that there's probably scum who jumped on me today