Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Andresvmb]

I remember thinking it was like a lifeline that someone was actually vocalizing some rationality with the post or two Baltar made about Duchess's interaction with me (the last two you quoted)

I would like for you to re-evaluate this based on Cookie Monster’s claim and self-vote.

[Datisi]

This sorta implies Dunn and I are both scum? I wouldn't wk town Dunn like this as scum imo

no it doesn't? like if the only reason you have for that is "i don't wk dunn like that" then sorry to break itnto you but that explanation is worth nothing

[Andresvmb]

why are we getting bogged down on the momentum point?

Who is we here? Because VPB was the one who kept bringing it up. Not me.

[Datisi]

what are your reads on the other low posters then?

the difference is that i don't have meta on other lower posters that them not having reads / not solving is scum!indicative

[Andresvmb]

what about it is so amazing to you? also would cookie being an alt affect this opinion?

Do you agree that I was right, now that Cookie Monster has made that incredibly detailed claim? Or no?

[VP Baltar]

That Claim by Cookie Monster is too specific so I’m going to assume that it’s just Town.

@Cookie, a word of advice for future games. Just because you’re upset, it doesn’t mean that you should be (i) self-voting, and (ii) revealing your claim under limited pressure. You’re playing against the Town win condition by needlessly revealing information about your role.

You're assuming this claim is real as opposed to just being erratic?

[Andresvmb]

i didn't get that feeling, at least not specifically with me.

You want to know what I think? I think you’re looking for things that are way too obvious, instead of trying to figure out the subtle ways in which VPB has been pushing you in the wrong direction. And since you naturally don’t trust me I think you’re not going to pay any attention to much of what I say until it becomes really obvious that you’re paying attention to the wrong voices.

[Andresvmb]

You're assuming this claim is real as opposed to just being erratic?

You’re not serious.

[Datisi]

what about it is so amazing to you? also would cookie being an alt affect this opinion?

Do you agree that I was right, now that Cookie Monster has made that incredibly detailed claim? Or no?

i do not. i've seen scum claim bullshit, and i feel like doc is one of favourite scum fakeclaims. the way it was made is horrible, the self-voting + claiming pr screams AtE and survivalism as opposed to... idk, anything genuine.

like i'm not saying it can't come from town, especially knowing there's precedent to that slot being utterly useless in other games, but it gets zero town points from me.

[VP Baltar]

You're assuming this claim is real as opposed to just being erratic?

You’re not serious.

I am being serious. I think cookie could fake there as either alignment.

Btw, you still haven't explained why you wanted to focus on the Italiano wagon and then voted off it.

[midwaybear]

Datisi, VPB, and Andres scumteam

So you think I go out of my way to vote my Partner, instead of just voting you? Why? Are you high?

I don't see why not. It also looks like you are setting yourself up to vote me here.

[Datisi]

i didn't get that feeling, at least not specifically with me.

You want to know what I think? I think you’re looking for things that are way too obvious, instead of trying to figure out the subtle ways in which VPB has been pushing you in the wrong direction. And since you naturally don’t trust me I think you’re not going to pay any attention to much of what I say until it becomes really obvious that you’re paying attention to the wrong voices.

andre, i'm constantly reevaluating. if i didn't care about your pov, i wouldn't have asked for it. i told you i didn't get that feeling. i wanna see where you got it.

[Andresvmb]

Btw, you still haven't explained why you wanted to focus on the Italiano wagon and then voted off it.

I’m voting for you. So you can drop this now.

[VP Baltar]

Andres, what is your reasoning for believing that bullshit but pushing on GC's verifiable claim so hard? Are you just gullible?

[midwaybear]

what are your reads on the other low posters then?

the difference is that i don't have meta on other lower posters that them not having reads / not solving is scum!indicative

Meta is pretty situation, and lack of motivation definitely can happen to town!me. For example, in the TENET large theme, I made one post a day for maybe a week or so.

[Datisi]

Datisi, VPB, and Andres scumteam

So you think I go out of my way to vote my Partner, instead of just voting you? Why? Are you high?

I don't see why not. It also looks like you are setting yourself up to vote me here.

what

you were earlier quoting how andres is bringing up a good point on why we should consider you town

where is andres setting himself up to vote you?

[VP Baltar]

Btw, you still haven't explained why you wanted to focus on the Italiano wagon and then voted off it.

I’m voting for you. So you can drop this now.

Yeah, you voted me after I pointed this out, as far as I recall. I'd like you to explain your reasoning prevoting me

[Andresvmb]

I don't see why not. It also looks like you are setting yourself up to vote me here.

You think I’m setting myself up to voting for you? If I wanted to vote for you, I would have announced intention to hammer since you’re at E-1. Have I done that? No.

[midwaybear]

where is andres setting himself up to vote you?

Gotta admit I was sort of trolling when I said 2340, but part of me viewed it as some sort of shade that Andres could point to when he decides to hammer me.

[Datisi]

where is andres setting himself up to vote you?

Gotta admit I was sort of trolling when I said 2340, but part of me viewed it as some sort of shade that Andres could point to when he decides to hammer me.

2340 is my post

what are you talking about

[Andresvmb]

i do not. i've seen scum claim bullshit, and i feel like doc is one of favourite scum fakeclaims. the way it was made is horrible, the self-voting + claiming pr screams AtE and survivalism as opposed to... idk, anything genuine.

Except Cookie wasn’t close to execution, and your survivalism claim fails simply because Cookie Monster is self-voting when they could actually get run up and executed. Like we can’t have it both ways here. If they’re AtE’ing with their self-vote, then they’re not really acting like they want to live. They could be playing a psychological game to get players to back off from them. But it’s not survivalist on the surface.

[midwaybear]

Oh, I mean the post that you quoted (2335).

[Andresvmb]

where is andres setting himself up to vote you?

Gotta admit I was sort of trolling when I said 2340, but part of me viewed it as some sort of shade that Andres could point to when he decides to hammer me.

Andres, what is your reasoning for believing that bullshit but pushing on GC's verifiable claim so hard? Are you just gullible?

You’re really Scum aren’t you? I backed off GC, and said that after their claim I re-evaluated. And the claim did need to get pushed - they were hiding an important part of their claim.

[Andresvmb]

^I wasn’t trying to quote midwaybear there just to clarify.

[Datisi]

i do not. i've seen scum claim bullshit, and i feel like doc is one of favourite scum fakeclaims. the way it was made is horrible, the self-voting + claiming pr screams AtE and survivalism as opposed to... idk, anything genuine.

Except Cookie wasn’t close to execution, and your survivalism claim fails simply because Cookie Monster is self-voting when they could actually get run up and executed. Like we can’t have it both ways here. If they’re AtE’ing with their self-vote, then they’re not really acting like they want to live. They could be playing a psychological game to get players to back off from them. But it’s not survivalist on the surface.

except there were mutliple people voting and/or showing interest in them and dgb calling for more votes, and them knowing they had absolutely nothing going for them. and like it's obviously not survivalistic on the surface because "self-voting brings you closer to execution" but is it really never used as a reverse psychology kinda "ok then vote me" thing?? and coupled w claiming pr, which is also something that so very often makes people not wanna vote someone?