okay so i saw andres' request just as i was going to bed and since i have a busy as fk day today i set my alarm an hour earlier to be able to get to that. i hope y'all appreciate what i do for this game
so individual reads, ordered vaguely in the order of town > scum:
baltar/andres
- do i need to make up more reasons why these two are town to me? like i don't see them having a red role pm this game.
baltar is playing transparently townie. i don't think he encourages activity yesterday as scum. he's been plenty active, and his activity is *good* every time he posts. idk if i said it before, but i don't think scum goes "ok i'm sheeping datisi lol" on d1 like that. his responses to pressure are townie. also standing his ground on midway, in response to a growing dunn wagon that he could've easily hopped on as scum under the excuse of "well i suspected dunn earlier too so not my fav but wtv", have him flip green (bc again i'm assuming they're not s/s), then attack midway the next day.
andres is a similar story, except it's mostly his day 3 that sealed it to me. he is right that he does not have to play this way as scum. you can feel the effort he's putting into trying to solve. i didn't love eod1 where he was shading me for my play around italiano, but again, he did not follow up on that all. so why tf make those posts? he didn't have to argue as hard as he did for midway, and his play today falls exactly in line with town who is pissed at yesterday's execution. if this is powerwolfing, then fuck me lol
also also meta that i know of both of them (andres pls don't yell at me) checks out too. like, i'm probably reconsidering these only if i end up in a final 3 with both of them. but also i think if we get to that point, the game will have been lost long before that.
maxwell
- i said it yesterday that i did not love his change of vote from midway onto dunn, because i genuinely did not see how those posts made him change his mind, and i thought it could've been trying to get up dunn to claim / swing the exe onto dunn, then potentially come back to midway later on. and the rest of his game has been *fine*, but also really not impressive. but but but! i stand behind what i said earlier, i really *do not think* that scum locks themself into a power role claim in order to stave pressure off a townie, and a claimed power role at that. so, i'm not considering maxwell unless (1) green flips red (haha) (2) maxwell continues to live as a claimed power role (3) there's something fishy happening in massclaim.
momrangal
- in a vacuum, i do not like this slot anymore. the read on andres is kinda... meh, tunneling someone is an easy way to look busy as scum, and she doesn't seem to have a consistent gameview that ~makes sense~. like, the "who should scum be from my pov then!?" feels like an argument coming from scum who's struggling to figure out their own reads and is getting defensive about it. also i do not subscribe to the emotion argument, because i've been burned too many times bc of scum who shows a glimpse of emotion and i immediately start thinking they're town. however, the question is, *what* is she doing today as scum? tunneling andres, who didn't have much chance of getting executed anyway? blocking off a possible dgb/dunn push? unless she's protecting a partner there, it does not make sense for scum to do that. if there were significant pressure on either of those today, then i'd be more inclined to call this white-knighting, but... there hasn't been.
dunn
- ok this slot is a mess and i'll probably be trying to solve it by other flips / massclaim. i see some vague things that make me thing town (similarly to momrangal, what the fuck is he doing if he's scum here, he obviously gives zero shits, also stuff), and that make me think scum (end of day 1's posturing around italiano/midway), but i don't think i have enough to slot it either way.
green
- there were a few things that rang townie to me. namely, his play around italiano (it felt more nuanced than dunn's, and there were posts on italiano that felt *unneccesary* to make as scum). *however* i do agree his responses to pressure haven't been great, and the fact that he kept lurking while there was a shitfight, but jumped in to defend himself as soon as the pressure started turning on him is not a good look. also looking back, something rings off about him claiming to be scum on andres, but not really attempting to help mom out in that push, and was kinda staying out of that. also i do not like his read on me but maybe i'm being egoistical who knows
dgb
- this one is another mess. in retrospect, elements did ring scummy a couple of times to me (namely eod1 was a weird play around italiano, their point on cookie was weird and i don't think we ever got an answer to what duchess' reads post was cookie apparently imitating, bc i did not find it, and the dropout of the game isn't great), and dgb kinda... does not improve the slot. the thing still i hate the most is the apparent wagon hoping right after a slot claims (did it with cookie, then with midway). and while i believe it on being burned out from mafia, i think that is overall nai (as it's a site-wide thing), and the actions it did do in the game aren't townie, and can be excused from guilt that way.
lotus
- i've talked about this already. i do not think his push on me today comes from *convinced town who is trying to get his scumread executed*, because he consistently failed to properly explain important parts of his push (how has my solving throughout the game apparently been fake, esp as he was townreading me for it up until today, what tf does hooking people into answering mean), refused to say which of my games did he apparently look at, didn't seem to care that his hard town looked at his case on me, and came away with "idk datisi still town tho". also he was undermining his own wrong pushes/reads on town, while hyping up mine.
ok, where does that leave us?
my preference for yeeting is bottom up. obviously i see i'm not getting that today. i'm fine w green eating the yeet.
if green were to flip town: scum is 3 out of {momrangal, dgb, dunn, lotus}. off the top of my head, i'm not sure who the town in there would be, and would hope massclaim would help us out here. looking back at vc's that baltar posted earlier... i'm torn between the last town being dgb or lotus. dunn is like... poe, and he did have a bad vote on green on sod2, idk lol. mom also had a weird-ish vote on green on d2. i remember elements' eod1 being kinda weird for scum if they're not partnered with green, as they were refusing to vote for him even as their wagon was building. lotus i would have to reset on again bc he did defend green consistently.
if green were to flip red: partners are most likely lotus > dgb > momrangal > dunn imo. max is... there somewhere, he would have to be looked at through massclaim because locking yourself in a power role claim like he did is pretty bold as scum. i don't think eod1 clears him, as green jumped on his wagon when it was utterly dead (me and ele had already jumped off, italiano was on 5). but this is neither here nor there.
ok my class started half an hour ago and i should prob pay attention to that properly now
