In post 1476, LlamaFluff wrote:Actually lets do this instead
Vote AliceK
Day one they do nothing in terms of scumhunting. There actually is an over two week span where they are on Entrapa (Dann) and actually never address any reasons or try and gather any other support. Just sits back and says little while others peruse things. Also seems to at most just chainsaw April slot quite a bit.
Day two they show heavy interest in getting a claimed PR ran up, and then moves off the claimed PR for... the player the claimed PR says to have somewhat cleared because that player has a town read on someone. We are on day two. We have multiple claimed PRs. Alice is voting someone, who one of the PRs is saying they have down as clear, because Alice doesnt think there is a reason to have that strong of a town read on the player. Its also just confusing because if you think Solon is lying and never cleared Lotus... the move is to vote Solon.
She has been hesitant to do anything the whole game, attacking a player for being too confident in a town read (which lets me honest, the confidence there doesnt even seem high) and has routinely either refused to or decided not to try and get any sort of a push together to try and move the game in a direction they wanted. This is what scum who is happy keeping a status quo in the game looks like. I feel ive added more to this game in one day than Alice has in one month. This needs to start being the wagon.
Yup, I'd 100% agree IF IT WASNT MY DAMN SLOT eugh.
Seriously I'm disavowing almost all her posts from today, and I'm going to disavow D1s posts as well because I aint reading D1 but I already got the naff vibes.
In post 1479, clidd wrote:I mean, she's a lhf in my view, but I really have no argument beyond that(and the "she looks like Hypo" thing) to sustain a tr on the slot. I'm just not voting her rn after seeing your points (which are good) to keep some momentum on Amélie's wagon, in case someone sympathizes with my read there.
I hate being critical on my own slot, but its not even LHF, its evasion. Shes left a lot of closed statements that dont leave anything for a follow up. Like I would genuinely be on the slot with a lot more pressure than you lot are doing -.-;
In post 1483, clidd wrote:What you described of "not being interested in finding scum" is a frequent scumtell of newbie!scum and considering that Alice is a newbie, I believe it is compatible with the scum!Alice theory of being concerned only with how she is visualized but not being able to emulate an investigative town reasoning process.
But, again, although it is logically plausible, it does not mean that it is necessarily the case. Alice could also be town acting apathetic and being interpreted as scum.
I'm not against the pressure on her, it is necessary, as you mentioned, but I'm not so comfortable to join the wagon yet.
My feel on her posts isn't newbscum, but stupidly freaking cautious and self-aware.
In post 1501, LlamaFluff wrote:Yall need to post more. Literally if you are town not posting at least once a day that is borderline playing against win condition. Yeah I work a 8-6ish office job (albeit remote for now), but if I *ever* stop posting for more than a day without giving warning, call me out on it. If there arent even enough players around to be able to get a vote pulled off after I got the deadline moved out, that is a massive issue.
@mod
- Can we get a vote count and prods?
This is probably actually NAI, given my own meta... but you can go in the townbin.
Same... 6, 1, 6, 7, 4, 8, 10C, 9 and 5 are my scores for people atm.
In post 1514, LlamaFluff wrote:You ever heard of DGBs claimed role before? Again checking against if there is a recentcy bias in how setups are made.
Wiki date checks out, which was my goto on that one.
In post 1518, clidd wrote:Ok, so from where I stand, VFP and you (Llama) are two slots that reflect me as town due to the way you both have expressed your opinions about the game. I feel a real desire to investigate what is going on and collect information, which basically suggests that you two are starting from an uninformed perspective, that is, town. Dgb is among the set because I concluded, at least atm, that the sum of all its actions after the claim does not seem like a scum withdrawal/frustration but rather a town withdrawal/frustration. Although it's not weighing its opinions about the game in a detailed way, I'm convinced that its play doesn’t make much sense for scum!DGB to make, unless something drastically changes my perception of the slot.
In other words, I'm townreading Vfp based on his play only, without the influence of the predecessor.
Nope. I have seen exactly this level of AtE from a caught scum before in a mini theme attempting to deny and evade a mechanical guilty, and that was a stronger one than the one we have here, like it was 100% crumbed and followed up on.
In post 1525, clidd wrote:@clidd - So you have DGB as solid town, and Dann who did some odd soft claim and then backed off it but still seems to be saying they have a role as more neutral? If you had to guess what is Dann role wise if he is scum?
Yep.
If I had to guess, in a scum!Dann scenario, I would say that he's some kind of scum tracker. He needed to know that DGB was on Biped.
Thing to me is if DGB does flip green, we need a look at Dann and his results from N2 (Cant remember claim details, dont think there were any?)
In post 1528, LlamaFluff wrote: In post 1525, clidd wrote:@clidd - So you have DGB as solid town, and Dann who did some odd soft claim and then backed off it but still seems to be saying they have a role as more neutral? If you had to guess what is Dann role wise if he is scum?
Yep.
If I had to guess, in a scum!Dann scenario, I would say that he's some kind of scum tracker. He needed to know that DGB was on Biped.
So why is he claiming to have not tracked DGB? Wouldnt he just hone in on that mislynch if he was scum, its not like he has any reason to back off it, especially with the DGB claim? He either gets viewed as obviously town with DGB dying and he gets no flack or he gets viewed as town and DGB lives. Thats a win-win.
I do keep going back and forth, but Dann-scum backing off the tracked claim (unless he is legitimately afraid of a different PR) just doesnt make sense because it would have been a blunder. Its also worth noting that if Dann is a town tracker, he absolutely should claim because that does massive damage to how breakable this game is. Tracker is a very underrated tool in creating cleared players.
I think im mostly just sheeping Lotus between which A goes today, because if he is scum its in such a narrow window that I think its a no lose situation.
I'm still not seeing a tracker claim from Dann? Ive triple checked and nope.
In post 1537, RLotus wrote:It's worth mentioning that gretchen and Dann seem coordinated in their votes today. Dann and grethcen were both on DGB. Then, gretchen said she can't see DGB's defeatism coming from scum and moved to Amelie which started the momentum there. Both came back to DGB around the same time as well.
Glad we're on the same page.
Not saying I have regrets... but... I have MooMoo Milk
In post 1547, clidd wrote:The solution between Amélie and Alice is quite simple:
If Alice's replacement is towny> vote on Amélie.
If Alice's replacement is scummy> vote on Alice.
If Alice's replacement is neutral, however, we will debate the two slots again and evaluate together with Amélie's new posts to decide who will be voted.
I am genuinely amazed there isn't already more votes here.
Thankfully I make a strong catch up when I rep in.
Heeey Im in these quotes 
I still got frikken yeeted in that game. Despite townspewing like an absolute beast.
In post 1566, Gretchen wrote:i'm so incredibly lazy this game, i don't deserve to be here
clidd, why do you still find Amelie maf? i've actually found d her recent thoughts towny and lacking an agenda
Nope, you should be voted and yeeted.
Your vote is as stinky as the rest of your posts
In post 1576, Gretchen wrote:damn. vfp's putting in a lot of effort. ok. Alice solon and 1 of amelie or lotus then.
Rule of 3s states 1 of this list+VFP is scum
In post 1582, Gretchen wrote:i actually completely agree. vfp lacks SOUL, and feels like he's afraid to take any hard stances. maybe i'm dumb to label him probtown just bc he's putting effort in
The buddying is real.
In post 1589, VFP wrote:I will just add though, on a town flip here the scum team may just be amelie / Dann / Llama.
I think I'll go over this before end of day if it's still up (a day I feel un related game reasons won't have my back up anyway).
I think I've just realised what Llama is doing here if I'm right.
On a scum flip, that's dis regarded anyway.
But yes, Alice should be the flip today.
Ooo you lost a townpoint. Why should I be the flip over an AtE storming potential guilty?
And I refuse to claim, this wagon on this slot *could* be justified, but the reasonings all stink. I've pulled more justification for my elimination than most of you have.
