Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[DrippingGoofball]

Problem is, players with high activity levels and actually voting are penalized.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, VC 1.11 kind of makes me thing DGB is town. Could be a bus, but weird bus if so because there were a bunch of town on the previous wagon, and I'd think that would make scum start to sweat if they were thinking about bussing.

[DrippingGoofball]

Anyone who implied that GC was town by virtue of his role is suspect.

Anyone in the neighborhood who was not wary of GC is suspect.

This is more important.

[Datisi]

some snippets from the hood:

- early on on d2, green told me he's suspicious of max, dunn, and duchess, except duchess is kinda poe so he's not 100% there. then he questioned me about baltar's 1741 bc he apparently thought it was tmi about italiano's flip

- also pretty shortly into the hood (after i requested) he claimed that he had a modifier, but not a separate power

- then something about max being scum bc max was apparently trying to stay on rtp's good side? which i called out as weird bc "rtp just got killed, what are you talking about", but it seemed to utterly insane to me that scum would fake a thought process like that

- i asked him about andres, he said he thought andres is town, but that he also doesn't have much thought on andres' push on him

- i said that i didn't like neither midway or dunn, which he didn't have a problem egging on on

- huh, i mention being vary of the counterwagon that's building on baltar, tbh i don't even remember anymore when this happened, should prob look at that at some point

- green mentions he's actually thinking if i'm pocketing him and is waiting for another person to get added into the hood before calling me Solid town

- green cites 2128 as an example of andres' game approach being open thoughtful, but that he thinks he's on the wrong track. i argue how that post gave me iioa-y vibes and that i wouldn't yet townbin it, but also that the points in that post aren't necessarily bad. green argued that the him/elements is confbias, how there being scum in me/baltar/lotus doesn't make sense (i argued that i thought it was if dunn!green, which seemed a reasonable read to me), and that andres is discounting the possiblity of green/duchess being t/t for no reason.

- then green calls me agreeable but also starts flirting with me

- says dunn's wagon collapsing is sus and also is back on duchess being scum

- asks me about baltar's 2284, whether baltar's referring to green's suspicion of midway or whether he was thinking of it himself separately. after i say "have you thought about asking baltar instead of me", and i ask him why did he ask me that. he tells me to answer first. after i say that i do not know because i am not a mind reader, he said he had a thought that maybe me and baltar were more than just ~vibing~.

- starts talking shit about melons. after i say melons are delicious, he threatens to kick me out of the hood.

n2 starts around here

- asks me about baltar again, the fact that 4 different people were saying he's sus, and about his wagon analysis, says he's ~neutral on andres and that he isn't sure, says he thinks dgb is townier than elements, and asks me if i wanna make any comments about my pushing midway.

- asks me if i still wanna yeet on d1 wagon, and argues that dgb is townier bc "i'm dissociating from mafia" is a townie post bc it's sitewide stance(?), and that the votes around midway counterwagons mean it wasn't trying to save a buddy nor were they trying to get towncred

- doesn't answer my question on if he thought my posts on midway were malicious, shuts down my concerns that the "i'm shot from mafia" isn't ai because it's obviously oog, and my concern of "dgb could've been trying to get claims" with "was its vote really a pressure point on that"

d3 starts here

- green immediately asks what mom thinks of my midway push, she says she doesn't. mom says she's suspicious of andre (he's not reconsidering his reads) and that she's town on dgb (no agenda)

- green agrees andres is sus, he was fine w him until near the end of d2, and his play on d3 wasn't good, but maybe bc andres was tunnelled on him

- green says he reread and my push on midway wasn't malicious, asks me about the pocketing comments i made. i mention the game i had lost a bit earlier due to scum pocketing the everliving shit out of me, but i say that i still didn't see baltar doing that. ask them what they think, green says he thought baltar (along with andres) was less town by the end of d3.

- there was also some roles stuff on d3 which i'm not sure if there's a point in hiding, since green most likely retold his buddies as soon as it was said

n3 starts here

- some [stuff] i'm not sure should be outed since if mom's town, scum doesn't have access to it, we got to andres/dunn being probtown, she also said she thought max was town while i wasn't ready to clear him yet just for the role soft, but guess that's not relevant anymore

there were a lot of pedits while i was typing this. i gotta go for now, be back at some point.

[Datisi]

Fatisi

[VP Baltar]

Thanks for dumping the hood stuff, Dats.

Kind of just reinforces my townbloc thinking already. GC seems to bring up Elements/DGB a reasonable amount, but I can't tell from those comments if he's trying to push there or get you to town read that slot.

Seems obvious to me he was trying to get you to change your read on me though.

[RLotus]

thinking Andres and Dunn

tbd on (Baltar, Datisi). Maybe one of them. I separately had problems with Datisi's midway push, which I think I've resolved after having reviewed twice now & discussed in neighborhood iwth Datisi and mom; but it still has lowered my estimation of him. i need to read rather than skim Lotus's case.

If not (Baltar, Datisi), maybe maxwell but his claim might clear him.

I think Lotus, DBG, mom are town.

UNVOTE:

Vote is still on GC in spirit. I want to hear from Lotus and Dunn before we end this day.

I'm still fine with a GC vote

Distancy vibes, my best guess is Dunn, I really wouldn't lock him town at the very least

[RLotus]

There was talk about potential pocketing and so I permitted Datisi to select three candidates and I would actually choose.

Idk why you think there is one between Datisi and I. If GC and Datisi did this as partners they are psychopathic, I doubt it

[VP Baltar]

they are psychopathic

I'd be hella jealous of that scum play.

[RLotus]

I'm probably the right kill today bc I don't expect to be able to convince Datisi that I'm town

It's 2 of {Dunn, DGB, Momrangal} might be tough. Another thing is GC seemed to avoid talking about Dunn much in Datisi's recap of the hood.

If it's Datisi, VPB, or Andre it's probably lost at this point

[DrippingGoofball]

Fatisi

DrippingLardball

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Dunnstral

What. Explain.

[VP Baltar]

I'm thinking Dunn and DGB/Elements are not the same alignment by looking at the vote counts.

[VP Baltar]

andres, where are you at on Datisi? You have to see he's town, right?

[Momrangal]

weekend V/LA

Be back Sunday. Don't do too much while I'm gone

[Andresvmb]

andres, where are you at on Datisi? You have to see he's town, right?

Alright so there’s not much sense in hiding this, but this is what my gut is telling me.

Yes, I think Datisi is Town. I thought Datisi was Town for the most part, despite them strongly trying to dissuade me against Green Crayons before and around their claim. To some extent I can understand how that is probably driven by the fact that they were Neighborized and thought they could get an inside view of the slot. There’s always a part of me that will remain skeptical of anyone who was wrong about Scum in some sort of important way, but I did feel that Datisi’s pushes have been genuine.

A part of me is just screaming flip RLotus and find out! Because if RLotus flips Scum, and there’s a tremendous amount that points to exactly that (and I don’t need to rehash it I don’t think), then Datisi is practically confirmed. There’s distancing, and there’s what they engaged in yesterday.

One of {Momrangal, DGB} I really do think is Scum. This push against Dunn from DGB makes no sense to me. Does anybody really think Green Crayons, as an alternative to a Town wagon D1 (to provide options), landed on a Partner and tunneled there? I just don’t see how that’s even remotely a reasonable conclusion coming into today.

[Datisi]

Kind of just reinforces my townbloc thinking already. GC seems to bring up Elements/DGB a reasonable amount, but I can't tell from those comments if he's trying to push there or get you to town read that slot.

Seems obvious to me he was trying to get you to change your read on me though.

i ctrl+f'ed green hood iso for elements/dgb again, and the only times green directly mentioned their slot is (1) when arguing how andres' green/ele read in 2128 is confbiased (2) that elements walked away from the you/duchess fight looking somewhat townier (3) the defense of dgb on n2/d3. (i'm trying to translate this as faithfully as i can without eating a modkill.) frankly i have no clue if this itself is supposed to be +town or +scum, part of me is saying that the hood before n3 is just wifom garbage central now.

and while i do agree that it looks like green was trying to undermine you in my eyes (and andres to a lesser degree), those reads... don't exactly help me right now.

looking at my 3278 again, i do start wondering if mom/green could be s/s since they were both arguing andres is suspicious on d3. but mom did express that read on d2 already and could've been hooded because of that...

a while back, i designed a game with a hood. the player that randed town neighbour told me that they always get anxious about hoods, and that hoods are there not for the player enjoyment, but for the mod enjoyment. and you know, i think i'm feeling those words right now lol

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Personally I'm more interested in Dunnstral and whether he always is this lurky and fluffy.

I'm down to wagon GC.

Do you need something?

Why are you posting regularly in other games but not here?

Why did you ignore my request for some reads?

Because I didn't see it.

This game isn't interesting right now

Reads: Green Crayons, Reformed Toxic Player for town

Scumreads: Not really sure, Elements was/is being weird, Testarossa I understand little of what is going on in her head despite her posts and it feels like she's said less than she has

VOTE: Testarossa

am i being trolled?

talk to me about your vote on dunn?

palate cleanser. felt getting sucked into a duchess vortex and wanted to break my vote away to force my attention away.

Baltar had just mentioned something about Dunn acting like lurker scum from prior scum game, which is a good enough to vote for me rn bc 1. voting lurkers is good for the soul, 2. Baltar pings me town, 3. i assume the meta analysis isn't wrong otherwise Dunn would say so, and 4. it wasn't Duchess.

i've seen dunn lurk as either alignment, but he definitely hasn't impressed so far.

after being called out by Baltar, it was like pulling teeth to get him to engage and provide any sort of content. tbh not entirely sure which way that cuts in terms of alignment, setting aside whatever meta argument about Dunn and activity levels, but it certainly isn't pro-town even if it doesn't qualify as scum, so atm I'm happy to keep my vote here

I accept Dunn is lurker regardless of alignment, but rn I'm content with lurker votes. We've got time to whip up activity.

can i get shotgun reads from you next time you're here?

GC, who are your townreads outside of elements btw?

midway, andres, Baltar, RL. I think elements is on the town side of the ledger for reasons ID'd above. BM had a great entrance with burst of activity + bringing thegame back to life, which also suggests town.

Oh I forgot VD. I'm thinking town side of the ledger.


I'd be okay with eliminating Harumi/maxwell, RTP, Dunn.................. maybe duchess but i have been avoiding that read bc I was not having fun with this game when that was happening

VOTE: Dunn

Works for me.

I'm also happy with a maxwell vote, especially with the RTP town flip.

Looking forward to Cookie's thoughts to help me sort the slot divorced from my Duchess interactions.

Like I could keep going. How is this Scum interacting with a Partner? There’s NO way.

[Andresvmb]

Green Crayons clearly wanted Dunn executed. They definitely thought momentum could build there, and tried to rally players in this direction, and almost got their wish. How can anyone build an association or think to themselves oh GC flipped Scum? Yeah Dunn makes sense as an execution. Like, how?

[Datisi]

thinking Andres and Dunn

tbd on (Baltar, Datisi). Maybe one of them. I separately had problems with Datisi's midway push, which I think I've resolved after having reviewed twice now & discussed in neighborhood iwth Datisi and mom; but it still has lowered my estimation of him. i need to read rather than skim Lotus's case.

If not (Baltar, Datisi), maybe maxwell but his claim might clear him.

I think Lotus, DBG, mom are town.

UNVOTE:

Vote is still on GC in spirit. I want to hear from Lotus and Dunn before we end this day.

I'm still fine with a GC vote

Distancy vibes, my best guess is Dunn, I really wouldn't lock him town at the very least

like. my problem with this is that lotus is taking the very recent posts between green/dunn and calling them distancing. like, even yesterday (3107) the earliest post they mentioned wrt distancing was 2302. and (as andres just so happened to quote as i'm typing this, thanks andres) for those two to be partnered, the "distancing" must've started way waaaay back.

but lotus isn't looking at that, he's looking at the most recent posts that look a bit off, and calling that ~distancing~, while ignoring this whole game worth of votes/scumreads. like ???

[Andresvmb]

I think the Scum came out with a plan to stop pushing the obvious Town, and try to get us to split onto say a less obvious Town player. Because RLotus probably knows that they’re not winning a 1v1 with Datisi after the GC flip. Push came to shove, I would firmly expect RLotus to get executed there. So they probably have realized they need to build a case against a player with a smaller presence.

What DGB is doing is HORRIFIC in my eyes.

[RLotus]

I think Lotus, DBG, mom are town.

So you think GC is just going to town read all his pontential partners on his deathbed?

[Andresvmb]

I think Lotus, DBG, mom are town.

So you think GC is just going to town read all his pontential partners on his deathbed?

That’s all WIFOM and to be summarily ignored.

[Andresvmb]

The consistency of GC’s push against Dunn basically makes them really hard to execute in good faith. I will absolutely fight that execution to the death.