Micro 1013: IMoA [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.12

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-01 17:15:00).

execution

ta vera [2]:

VFP, Sigmund

VFP [2]:

UneveN, Moongrass

Moongrass [2]:

ta vera, northsidegal

Iconeum [1]:

Andresvmb

Sigmund [1]:

Iconeum

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ iconeum v/la weekends

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Spoiler:

[Sigmund]

I'm not even voting Ico

haha

VOTE: Iconeum

[Moongrass]

If you didn't do a post of your reads I'd have you as scum now for trying to dodge the question.
Also I don't need to have reasons good or bad if I want you eliminated.

You're dodging mine. Yes you need reasons whether you're scum or not.

[Moongrass]

Can someone please link an Ico scum game?

[VFP]

You're dodging mine. Yes you need reasons whether you're scum or not.

I didn't take your question as serious since I said early on I like the thinking outside of the box.
Either you're not paying attention to the game or you're asking questions to look proactive. Which is it?

And no, I really don't. If I think you're scum and I can't put my finger on it, I'll vote you.

[Moongrass]

You're dodging mine. Yes you need reasons whether you're scum or not.

I didn't take your question as serious since I said early on I like the thinking outside of the box.
Either you're not paying attention to the game or you're asking questions to look proactive. Which is it?

And no, I really don't. If I think you're scum and I can't put my finger on it, I'll vote you.

Of course you have the ability to vote me, I'm saying you need reasons to cover your own behind.

Why am I not paying attention? You're the one who has been absent and who accuses me of behavior that is clearly inaccurate.

Try again buddy.

I will say that I do like your push on nsg. I don't see scum doing that if nsg is town as they can just conveniently dispose of her N1 with no one questioning that NK.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Iconeum

You on the other hand could be suspect with that average readlist.

[Moongrass]

"I can't read half the players, someone help" seems disingenuous to me. Empty sorting, particularly from someone of your capabilities.

[Moongrass]

As a disclaimer I have not seen Ico scum though.

[VFP]

Of course you have the ability to vote me, I'm saying you need reasons to cover your own behind.

Why am I not paying attention? You're the one who has been absent and who accuses me of behavior that is clearly inaccurate.

Try again buddy.

I will say that I do like your push on nsg. I don't see scum doing that if nsg is town as they can just conveniently dispose of her N1 with no one questioning that NK.

And I'm telling you that I don't. You have this image that I'm going to vote where's safe or care about a retaliation vote on me.

I've been absent yes, but I recall the game and I know what happened. You chose the only wrong option here, and that was to deny/divert away from my question. Not paying attention / forget in a slow paced game is not AI, and neither is posting questions to look proactive, as long as the motive is there to get things rolling.

I havent really pushed on NSG, I'm just not giving credit where not due.

Let's talk as if we are both confirmed town to each other though.
What do you think of my lim pool, and what would yours be in this kind of scenario?
I think 3 names works best to match mine and I'll explain why after.

[Moongrass]

You have this image that I'm going to vote where's safe or care about a retaliation vote on me.

I care about a retaliation vote on you in coming days. You misunderstand my perspective. I don't care if I go down I care if I take town with me because they couldn't give good reasons for their vote and will be easy targets.

[Moongrass]

Let's talk as if we are both confirmed town to each other though.
What do you think of my lim pool, and what would yours be in this kind of scenario?
I think 3 names works best to match mine and I'll explain why after.

Ico, Andres, and SS.

[Moongrass]

Ta vera I don't agree with because her ISO reads town to me.

[VFP]

I care about a retaliation vote on you in coming days. You misunderstand my perspective. I don't care if I go down I care if I take town with me because they couldn't give good reasons for their vote and will be easy targets.

I wasn't expecting a response like this. I like it.

Ico, Andres, and SS.

So since we would both have SS and Andre, let's talk about these two.
Thoughts directly on SS? I think SS is just cautious to make a push or a stance here, considering 24 pages in and yet SS hasn't even casted a vote.
There was a point where SS flipped a play style for me

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Before this, SS looks to be heading into a direction and after, it feels something changed and SS lost interest.

[Something_Smart]

I'm having trouble following the thread of this game, that's definitely true. Not totally unhappy with my reads though. (Ta vera and nsg as townreads, Sigmund and Moongrass as townleans.)

[Moongrass]

SS is an enigma to me, I'm cautious to vote him D1 because he's scummy to me all the time. This game I have found his reluctance to talk unless attacked and his lack of sorting scummy. I find the same is true of Andre.

VFP what are your thoughts on Ico?

[Moongrass]

I'm having trouble following the thread of this game, that's definitely true. Not totally unhappy with my reads though. (Ta vera and nsg as townreads, Sigmund and Moongrass as townleans.)

Can you try voting one of your non town reads?

[Moongrass]

Before this, SS looks to be heading into a direction and after, it feels something changed and SS lost interest.

I found that post empty. Obviously it was a meta read, the question could be considered posting for the sake of posting.

[Something_Smart]

Can you try voting one of your non town reads?

I could, but we still have plenty of time left in the day, and I'm skeptical that pressuring someone will actually make them easier to read.

[VFP]

I found that post empty. Obviously it was a meta read, the question could be considered posting for the sake of posting.

The post isn't of concern itself, but the way SS is playing before and after

VFP what are your thoughts on Ico?

So I have 0 experience with Ico and I have no meta knowledge.
But Ico just comes across as not caring and just to be in everyone's face.

The read list isn't of anything to be impressed with I agree there, and is pretty lazy. However, that would suggest that Ico is being lazy in general.
If scum, Ico is looking for the "scum don't do this" and most likely putting effort into their posts to get this read, so a lazy read post doesn't fit in this situation.
This goes back to my lack of caring comment.

The biggest down fall I see with Ico is still having Sigmund as scum while responding positively to my post about Sigmund being town.

I do think though that Ico would be a bad lim today regardless.

[Sigmund]

who do you want to kill fishboy

[VFP]

Am I fish boy or is SS fish boy?

If its me

Ta vera
SS
Andre

In that order.

Ta isn't trying to sort anyone.
Their ISO is just low key fluff. I've read it several times and I just have no idea where they are at in the game.
I know that they scum read Moon, I find it hard to progressively see why though.

Even when I asked who was scum outside of Moon, Ta showed that they didn't care to contribute.

If Ta gives me something to work with though I'll review this. I'm assuming a read list is planned, unless Ta is dodging taking more of a stance.

[Sigmund]

alright let's kill frog-girl then

VOTE: Ta Vera

[northsidegal]

been busy, might be busy for the rest of today (irl, not today in-game)

I will say that I do like your push on nsg. I don't see scum doing that if nsg is town as they can just conveniently dispose of her N1 with no one questioning that NK.

i would say that you overestimate the amount of people in this playerlist who know who i am and how much the scumteam even ought to fear me, but given even sigmund seems to know me perhaps it's more people in the playerlist than i realized. (although that second part still might be overestimated, i am quite rusty.)

[northsidegal]

You have this image that I'm going to vote where's safe or care about a retaliation vote on me.

I care about a retaliation vote on you in coming days. You misunderstand my perspective. I don't care if I go down I care if I take town with me because they couldn't give good reasons for their vote and will be easy targets.

when did you go from VFP at the bottom of your readslist to "i care if i take town with me"? this is a strange thing to say, even in the hypothetical where you're just talking to people as if they're town (as a lot of people do). after all, if i thought someone were just voting me with literally no justification and they outright said they weren't going to give me one, i think that one of my first responses (and most people's first response) would be to make some sort of ruckus about how this is an obvious scum push.

even if

i were then to go on to try to appeal to the person and say "this will look bad for you if you do this with no reasons, even if you're scum you should give me a reason here", i wouldn't frame it as being worried about the person potentially being town and me maybe taking them down with me, i would frame it exactly like how i just did, because i would genuinely believe i were talking to scum and would thus want to engage on that level.

am i missing something here?

(also, i realize i've been responding mostly to you here for the past few posts as well as calling your posting "strange" pretty often – nothing specific meant by it, just so happened to turn out this way)