Micro 1009: Would You Like To Be My Neighbor? [Game Over!]

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Post Post #1074 (isolation #0) » Mon May 17, 2021 8:18 am

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Hi all

I am giddy because I rolled town and I love being town.

I haven't read the game at all and would appreciate a friendly face showing me around.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #1) » Mon May 17, 2021 9:15 am

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In post 1076, GrandpaMo wrote:how much experience u have @emily

I'm not the most experienced - my friend recommended this website to me and said replacing in would be a quick way to get started.

Is there a good summary of what's happened so far?
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #2) » Mon May 17, 2021 9:17 am

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In post 1082, Hopkirk wrote:hi old friendo
Hello!

Have we met before?

I'm sorry to say I can't place meeting you sometime else.
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Post Post #1088 (isolation #3) » Mon May 17, 2021 9:19 am

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I just found out from my neighbor we are in day 2

this is tragic!

do we have any decent leads on the villains?
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Post Post #1099 (isolation #4) » Mon May 17, 2021 9:49 am

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In post 1089, Hopkirk wrote:well where else on the internet do you frequent? you feel kind of familiar
I like to look for new adventures on GoodReads and visit exotic locations vicariously on Reddit.
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #5) » Mon May 17, 2021 9:57 am

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Why are you putting Flow Trap so close to elimination when myself and monkey have not even caught up?

Are you very confident that he is a villain?
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Post Post #1103 (isolation #6) » Mon May 17, 2021 10:15 am

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I count three votes on him with four votes required to eliminate so that should be e - 1 ?
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #7) » Mon May 17, 2021 10:16 am

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How do eliminations work here? Does he get some final chance to convince us to change our minds if someone votes for him here or is it over at that point?
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #8) » Mon May 17, 2021 10:17 am

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Hopkirk should I trust you? I don't want to make a mistake on my first day playing !
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #9) » Mon May 17, 2021 10:36 am

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My head says no but my heart says yes.

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Post Post #1110 (isolation #10) » Mon May 17, 2021 10:36 am

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Tell me I won't have regrets tommorrow
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Post Post #1121 (isolation #11) » Mon May 17, 2021 11:36 am

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In post 1111, Hopkirk wrote:Why would you head say no ever, is there something wrong with it?
well my head says I should take my time to read over the game, figure out which pairings of villains make sense and whether flow trap is one of them.

my heart is fairly vulnerable to confident men with easy smiles and lots of charisma and it says I should follow you.

Could you help me catch up ?

What are the pairings in the game that are known? What happened on Day One?
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #12) » Mon May 17, 2021 11:50 am

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In post 1114, GrandpaMo wrote:you aren't new. you have to be an alt especially being called in for a REPLACEMENT for a hood mechanic game. lol

ur friend must have been sure u are good at mafia / or u are just bsing to get the newbie towncred gimic .
My friend told me the best way to get started in a game right away is to reply to a replacement request.

I didn't really look at the mechanics of the game before applying.

Is it very complicated? I read the set up and it seems fairly simple?
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #13) » Mon May 17, 2021 12:12 pm

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so you believe your hood with Hopkirk is a town/town hood?

How did you come to that conclusion?
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #14) » Mon May 17, 2021 1:24 pm

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In post 1129, Loki Dokie wrote:I’ve seen both his town and scumgames. I was confident on him even more than Andante. Plus, his posts in our PT are extremely towie. He asks a lot of questions, makes reads, has done plenty of solving, etc. I’d pretty much bet the game on town!Hopkirk.
How did he decide you were town as well?
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Post Post #1141 (isolation #15) » Mon May 17, 2021 1:25 pm

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In post 1138, Loki Dokie wrote:@Mo why no comment on any of this? I mean Emily can verify if this is true or not, right?
I'm sorry, what would you like me to verify?
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Post Post #1147 (isolation #16) » Mon May 17, 2021 1:29 pm

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Loki, I like you a lot more than Hopkirk and I wish I could trust him like I feel I can trust you.

How confident are you that Flow is scum? I worry for our town if Flow is a mis-elimination here.

Who makes sense in your mind for Flow's partner?
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Post Post #1152 (isolation #17) » Mon May 17, 2021 1:35 pm

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Mo what is your read on Flow Trap?
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #18) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:02 pm

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Hi Flow.

Who do you think are the villains in this town?
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #19) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:08 pm

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Flow what are your reads right now?
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Post Post #1186 (isolation #20) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:33 pm

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In post 1182, GrandpaMo wrote:i think this is just mafia lim bait
who are the mafia trying to elim flow?
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Post Post #1188 (isolation #21) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:35 pm

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In post 1185, GrandpaMo wrote:also these specific posts just sounds geninue

flows reads: 795 and 796

this is something that comes from a town mindset; 487 and 488

and in post 36; talking bout style however, they are playing the same style.
I don't see anything in these five posts that reads as especially genuine.

Could you elaborate please?
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #22) » Mon May 17, 2021 3:06 pm

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In post 1189, flow trap wrote:
In post 1170, Emily wrote:Hi Flow.

Who do you think are the villains in this town?
Let's see

I TR Loki. I TR you (I like the questions).

I want to reread everyone else in more detail now that I have time. From what I remember from the skim, I somewhat TR Vand's opening.
It feels like you haven't really been thinking about this or perhaps you really do have a very bad memory condition :/
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #23) » Mon May 17, 2021 3:08 pm

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In post 1190, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1188, Emily wrote:
In post 1185, GrandpaMo wrote:also these specific posts just sounds geninue

flows reads: 795 and 796

this is something that comes from a town mindset; 487 and 488

and in post 36; talking bout style however, they are playing the same style.
I don't see anything in these five posts that reads as especially genuine.

Could you elaborate please?
okay in post 795, and 796, they think Loki, Hopkirk, and Andante are their townreads... i dont think scum thinks like that. especially considering the early interactions taht happened with loki maybe? i forgot who but it was someone...and in 796. they followed up wit saying they are townreading more than bugs -- prehaps due to actual effort from town then when andante asks to hammer bugs, flow refuses saying only if they sr them after they are done catching up. i think scum would have taken advantage of that and just hammered here nd not to slow roll.

in post 487 same thing. Flow gives insight on a new idea that never no one has brought up and explains to andante that it could just be that we are neighbors as well.

post 488 retracts that theory because they see thats not what my intent was. i think thats just town thinking in an active mindset.

in post 36, they talk about something that was referring to the interaction that resulted into soemone thinking they were changing styles this game... flow responds by saying they know someone who changes their playstyle. however they are playing the exact same way they did when they flipped town in their previous games.
There are no real details given with the townreads in 795/796 - it's a conclusion without the thought process to get there. I'm not sure how you can conclusively townread that?
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #24) » Mon May 17, 2021 5:40 pm

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Van the idea that you don't trust me is quite hurtful.

I hope this works. My first vote guys!

Wish me luck!

VOTE: Flow Trap
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #25) » Mon May 17, 2021 5:41 pm

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I am so nervous I'm shaking
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #26) » Mon May 17, 2021 6:53 pm

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It's my first game please don't be mad if I get things wrong :(
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #27) » Thu May 20, 2021 2:09 am

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yay we got a bad guy

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Post Post #1247 (isolation #28) » Thu May 20, 2021 7:40 am

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are you trying to dumb-tell why the scum had to shoot the conftown?
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #29) » Thu May 20, 2021 8:04 am

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I am an innocent flower
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #30) » Thu May 20, 2021 8:05 am

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In post 1250, GrandpaMo wrote:i was basing this on individual reads and forgot bout the game mechanic of town hoods
right, so you are pretending you didn't know the scum had to kill the conftown player since they are conftown.

hence pretending you are not scum who had that thought.

it is called fake dumb telling.
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #31) » Thu May 20, 2021 8:06 am

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In post 1252, Hopkirk wrote:emily's real identity affects my read here
I think the game is probably over if we eliminate Grandpa unless there is an issue in your hood.
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #32) » Thu May 20, 2021 12:20 pm

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VOTE: Grandpa Mo

hopefully this works twice in a row
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #33) » Thu May 20, 2021 9:00 pm

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oops :(
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #34) » Thu May 20, 2021 10:44 pm

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This is hurtful towards me
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #35) » Mon May 24, 2021 10:52 am

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so one of you is snowed and the other one is scum.

I won't bother to figure out which one because there's a good chance you both just vote me here.

If you want an actual discussion I'll be happy to entertain you both but as it stands I think town just loses this.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #36) » Mon May 24, 2021 10:54 am

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It's probably better for me if you two do quick-elim me because I wouldn't have to agonize over which one of you is actually scum here.
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #37) » Mon May 24, 2021 10:58 am

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I have one small request however.

If you are town in the neighbor pair.

Let the mafia player vote first.
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Post Post #1296 (isolation #38) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:12 pm

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I don't feel the need to put the work in to convince either of you of something neither of you wants to believe.

It would be a waste of my time.

If you've decided to kill me, just do it.
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Post Post #1297 (isolation #39) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:13 pm

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It would be quite mad for me to replace in and lol-hammer my partner randomly but that's clearly what you both want to believe so ~.~
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #40) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:21 pm

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Both of you have told me all game you are treating your neighborhood as a masonry

so why would I expend the effort to convince you otherwise?

It's clear to me that one of you has pocketed the other one and nothing I do will change that, it's up to you to believe that you could be pocketed.
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Post Post #1300 (isolation #41) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:22 pm

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I have a limited amount of time each day and I'm not going to waste time on something that's impossible to do.
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Post Post #1302 (isolation #42) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:25 pm

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In post 1291, Loki Dokie wrote:I want to hear your case first Emily but I really think everything points to you. I still want to hear your case but barring anything unforeseen happening, I think Vanders’ kill points to you because you knew he was 100% voting you if he lived.
that makes so much sense Loki.

I the lone scum surviving decide to leave alive a neighborhood of two who hard-townread each other to the point of calling themselves a masonry.

because that's totally the way to win the game.

just leave the 2 masons alive to the end.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #43) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:26 pm

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If you're town and you want to throw by voting for me

you can go ahead and do it.

Don't blame me post game for your own self being pocketed
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Post Post #1306 (isolation #44) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:33 pm

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In post 1304, Loki Dokie wrote:Yes that is an extremely good point and I think ideally scum!you ought to have killed between us but Vanders unfortunately tied your hands. That’s your dilemma because why wouldn’t scum!you kill your biggest threat?
a pair of townies who hard-townread each other is much harder to play against than 1 person who hard scumreads you
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #45) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:33 pm

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In post 1305, Loki Dokie wrote:This doesn’t help me because why should I think it’s Hopkirk who’s pocketing me here and not you?

He’s been doing tons of sorting in our hood and the best you’ve got is saying I’d be gamethrowing?
do you think he's unable to do sorting if he's scum?
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #46) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:34 pm

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In post 1307, Loki Dokie wrote:Here’s what I think. If I vote you, you will try to pocket Hopkirk and convince him I’m scum and the same to me, should he be the one to place the first vote.


I want reads on both me and Hopkirk. Go.
You're probably the townie here because you sound exactly like the way you sounded when you were stubbornly wrong at the end of Menagarie and he's probably scum because he only posted one sentence.
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #47) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:37 pm

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if I am scum and I have 1 person who hard-scumreads me and 2 people who hard-townread each other. I will kill in the hard townread pair most of the time.
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #48) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:40 pm

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This is just elementary nightkill strategy as scum:

A is scum.
B hard SRs A
C+D hard townread each other.

A should kill in C/D, and then try to get the survivor to vote for B.

A should not kill B, because it's unlikely C or D ever vote for each other, hence A will be the elimination almost always.
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #49) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:51 pm

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In post 1313, Loki Dokie wrote:I don’t think he can fake being as genuine as he’s been. It’s extremely difficult to fake being townie for this long without slipping. I think I should have seen at least something off about him by now if he was actually pocketing me but you’re so far not differentiating between us because you don’t want to risk alienating either of us.
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I already said I think you are the pocketed stubborn townie.
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #50) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:52 pm

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In post 1316, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1311, Emily wrote:if I am scum and I have 1 person who hard-scumreads me and 2 people who hard-townread each other. I will kill in the hard townread pair most of the time.
Well that’s what I’m confused about but then Vanders was gunning for you, so that also cancels that out.
no it doesn't cancel out.

A can win an endgame against B/C or B/D because A can convince C or D that B is scum.

A can't win an endgame against C/D because C/D are hard convinced each other are town.

That's why A should always shoot in C/D and not shoot B.
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #51) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:53 pm

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In post 1314, Loki Dokie wrote:Who were you in Menagerie?
I don't answer alt questions because it would defeat the point of playing on an alt to begin with.
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #52) » Mon May 24, 2021 2:59 pm

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if you're hopkirk and you're scum, why wouldn't you keep the person who hard-townreads you alive into the endgame?
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #53) » Mon May 24, 2021 3:00 pm

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In post 1321, Loki Dokie wrote:And why should I assume I’m being pocketed by Hokirk and not you?
because you've been saying hopkirk is town literally all game and you want to vote me out?
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Post Post #1328 (isolation #54) » Mon May 24, 2021 3:14 pm

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are you trying to justify to me so that post game I won't blame you for being wrong?
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #55) » Mon May 24, 2021 3:16 pm

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In post 1327, Loki Dokie wrote:Tell me why you think he’s scum here
Well there's 2 of you and one of you is scum.

You sound like a really stubbornly pocketed townie who really believes in what he's saying and can't possibly believe he is wrong.



He came in and posted a one liner about being drunk and then ghosted the thread.



So I don't see how that's a hard choice for me which one I believe is the townie?
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #56) » Mon May 24, 2021 3:18 pm

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In post 1325, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1322, Emily wrote:if you're hopkirk and you're scum, why wouldn't you keep the person who hard-townreads you alive into the endgame?
I have extremely good reasons for that hardtown read and your entire argument is not why fypov he has to be scum here but nka wifom.
And if you vote me you'll have extremely good reasons why you lost and you can tell yourself it was unavoidable or whatever.
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #57) » Mon May 24, 2021 3:21 pm

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In post 1330, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1328, Emily wrote:are you trying to justify to me so that post game I won't blame you for being wrong?
The more you try to guiltrip me and manipulate me, the more I’m convinced it’s you.
I think there's nothing I can say to you that would convince you it's not me.

You are an extremely ego-centric person who can't fathom being wrong so any logic, reasoning, or emotional appeal I make to you will just simply be discarded and only convince you further that you are right and I am scum.

You thought you were right in Menagerie even after the cards were flipped and you were shown to be completely wrong about who the scum was.

I'm sure even after this game is over and I am flipped as town you will continue to blame me for this.

That's fine and I don't really care.
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #58) » Mon May 24, 2021 3:23 pm

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I just want to re-iterate that the above is not a judgement, an insult, or a slight against you or your person.

People are the way they are. It's not something we can easily control. I appreciate you.

I enjoyed playing with you and I had hoped that Grandpa would flip scum. But he didn't so we are now at the point where we lose.

It's fine I'm fairly sure there was no way to ever eliminate Hopkirk in the first place.
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #59) » Mon May 24, 2021 3:23 pm

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In post 1333, Loki Dokie wrote:You’re basing your entire read on just one line? How do I know it’s because you’ve just given up trying to sell Hopkirk on its me? Fmpov, that’s just as likely. You can tell I’m bleeding obvious town and Hopkirk would look bad flipping on me, so your only hope if scum is to make me doubt him.
I have called you obvious town since the day I replaced into this game.
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #60) » Mon May 24, 2021 3:34 pm

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In post 1337, Loki Dokie wrote:Oh yeah, insulting me is definitely the way to go here.
as I have already stated. This is not meant as an insult.

This is my assessment of your personality.

We are all unique and beautiful flowers.

I don't judge people for who they are.
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #61) » Mon May 24, 2021 3:36 pm

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In post 1147, Emily wrote:Loki, I like you a lot more than Hopkirk and I wish I could trust him like I feel I can trust you.

How confident are you that Flow is scum? I worry for our town if Flow is a mis-elimination here.

Who makes sense in your mind for Flow's partner?
^ I literally said this to you
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Post Post #1345 (isolation #62) » Mon May 24, 2021 4:25 pm

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In post 1341, Loki Dokie wrote:You weren’t terribly worried about Mo tho which was even more critical. I thought we probably lost after he flipped town.
? I thought Mo was scum because of his terrible defense of Flow Trap and so did you and Hopkirk.
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #63) » Mon May 24, 2021 4:26 pm

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He also felt like he was trying to dumb tell being surprised at the nightkill
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Post Post #1347 (isolation #64) » Mon May 24, 2021 4:27 pm

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In post 1343, Loki Dokie wrote:#1264 wasn’t going to convince me to vote Vanders but he sounds completely shocked here. Why do you think that is?
1264 doesn't make any sense to me

I thought vanders was spewed town by his reaction to my hammer of flow trap already.
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #65) » Mon May 24, 2021 4:29 pm

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In post 1344, Loki Dokie wrote:Your argument about not scum not killing in me and Hopkirk is completely dismantled by these series of posts from Vanders.
I'm simply telling you what I would do as scum most of the time.

Your contention is that I am forced to kill Vanders.

I've told you this is simply not true and probably a bad play strategically.

You can continue to argue that you would know better than me what I would do if I were scum here, but that's just your perception.
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #66) » Mon May 24, 2021 4:51 pm

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and like what amazing things has hopkirk actually even done this game that makes you think he's definitely town?

d1 hammered bugspray!town
d2 sheeped you onto Flow Trap who was scum
d3 voted for grandpa!town

where's the Hopkirk must be town thing?
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Post Post #1355 (isolation #67) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:37 am

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VOTE: hopkirk

good luck loki

i promise not to blame you post game even if you make a mistake.
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Post Post #1356 (isolation #68) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:39 am

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you posted a one liner about being drunk hopkirk

its classic scum that doesnt want to disturb game state antispew
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #69) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:41 am

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In post 1353, Hopkirk wrote:I don't buy this progression on 'i have no idea' to 'i've thought you were the town in the pair from the start'
the more i talk to loki the more genuine he feels.

I was leaning towards him being town from the start, but I have no reason not to give both of you a clean slate at lylo. it would be unfair to the rest of the game to not approach endgame with an open mind.
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Post Post #1358 (isolation #70) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:47 am

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In post 1352, Loki Dokie wrote:It majorly sucks that of the three scummiest players in the game, two were town. :/
think about what a scum needs to do to win

they need to be townie, pocket a townie, get to the endgame

who fits that description?

Do you think I came into endgame with any prep whatsoever? I replace into this game and lol-hammer my own teammate before 24 hours has passed? like come on nothing I have done makes any sense if I am scum.
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Post Post #1376 (isolation #71) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:30 pm

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sorry I said those mean things to you Loki.

I was frustrated and I shouldn't have taken things out on you.

If you need me to answer anything, I'm here for you.

I think Hopkirk played a fine scum game and I'm perfectly fine with losing to him here though I hope we don't.

You've been a better listener than I could've hoped for. I'm glad you've grown so much from the end of Menagerie <3
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Post Post #1377 (isolation #72) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:44 pm

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I'll spend the time to do a full case / iso re-read of Hopkirk.

I guess I owe you at least that much to help you with your decision.

It probably won't be done until later tonight.
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Post Post #1380 (isolation #73) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:20 am

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? You are conflating being mean with "insult".

The difference is technical.

I'm simply stating that I recognize it was mean spirited of me to do that in order to trigger an emotional response to get him to re-assess the situation.

I did it out of frustration and made assumptions about his play in this game that I probably should not have.

As to what account my main is, I'm not sure why you want to go there but I didn't particularly want to bring up my main's meta as it's against the point of actually playing the game with an alt.
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Post Post #1382 (isolation #74) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:28 am

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Do you really want to have a discussion about Pooky's scum meta?

You know Pooky's never bussed a teammate on D1/D2 in his life right?
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #75) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:30 am

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I mean using Pooky's scum meta is close to bulletproof in terms of "bussing his partners" because Pooky is religious anti-bussing so I'm not sure you want to go there.
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Post Post #1386 (isolation #76) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:32 am

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I can compile Pooky's entire scum history across 30+ games and show he's literally never eliminated a scum teammate via bussing in his life.

Would you like that? To do some meta research?
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #77) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 am

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In post 1385, Hopkirk wrote:Pooky bussed morning tweet D2 in the only Pooky!scum game I've read.
When Morning Tweet had a mech-guilty result on her from a watcher.

Context matters. This is a near mountainous game.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #78) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:42 am

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viewtopic.php?p=12259162#p12259162

In this post he is saying that he would never bus his partner ^

it comes with links to his completed scum games that show he does not bus.
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #79) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:43 am

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so if I were to say I am Pooky, it would give me even more meta-cred for being unable to do what I did this game since Pooky doesn't believe bussing is optimal for winning and basically never does it unless there's a mech-guilty etc in play.
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #80) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:52 am

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In post 1385, Hopkirk wrote:Pooky bussed morning tweet D2 in the only Pooky!scum game I've read.
also in the game you are citing:

viewtopic.php?f=160&t=85649


Pooky hard-defended Spring Breeze(scum) despite most of the town being against her and willing to elim her and she being guranteed to flip soon.

He did it so well that he got
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Pooky only bussed Morning Tweet because she was mech-guiltied by a watcher.

So if you actually were honest about what happened in this game you would know that Pooky definitely does not bus as a strategy or a move unless there is mech that makes it impossible to avoid.
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Post Post #1392 (isolation #81) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:57 am

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Let's talk about your readslist:

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Can you explain why Flow Trap is a townread here? It's the optimal place to put a scum partner and you have 3 scumreads and 2 nulls sitting below him.
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Post Post #1393 (isolation #82) » Wed May 26, 2021 3:58 am

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btw I think it's funny that you scumread three people in a 2 scum game and none of them were scum.
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Post Post #1397 (isolation #83) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:13 am

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In post 1395, Hopkirk wrote:you mean the one i said i'd revist there, talking about with Loki, and flipped to scum on? that's not an 'optimal' place for a scumpartner

i don't have 3 scumreads there in a 2 scumgame btw, i have 2 because 2 of the people in scum were in a hood and couldn't be scum together like i said
if you scumread 2 people in a hood you're basically wanting to elim one, and when it flips town, elim the other.

Your readslist puts your partner above null while putting 5 townies in null/scumread.

Even a player randomly throwing darts at a board would be able to hit at least 1 scum in 5 guesses, the fact you didn't is pretty shady.
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Post Post #1398 (isolation #84) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:14 am

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In post 1396, Hopkirk wrote:'explain why you townread' when the post literally says 'i can't remember why i liked them and plan to look back at them' and subsequently DID and moved it down to scum??? stop trying to rewrite history

didn't have any partners in that zone in my most recent scumgame either btw. i had 2 in the scumpool and 1 as a top townread so doesn't feel like you're even trying to make that fit
so the read was made up and when you couldn't find any way to back it up you reversed on the read and bussed them.
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #85) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:15 am

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In post 1394, Hopkirk wrote:i'd know Pooky NEVER busses because he defended a partner d1? that doesn't follow unless i've read a ton of pooky games
no I said you were being dishonest about what happened in the game.

You said Pooky bussed Morning Tweet but neglected to mention it was because of a mech-guilty result on her slot.

From just reading Day 1 in that game where Pooky doesn't bus Spring Breeze but chooses to defend her harder as she is inevitably going down, you would know he doesn't believe bussing makes sense as a viable scum strategy.
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Post Post #1400 (isolation #86) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:16 am

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In post 1394, Hopkirk wrote:i've tried pocketing Loki before and it didn't work. idk why anyone would think 'Hop is going to bet the game on it working this time when it didn't before'.
this is just wifom
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #87) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:17 am

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In post 1394, Hopkirk wrote:i clearly voted Flow because i agreed with Loki's casing.
you were dedicated to your loki pocket and you thought it would win you the game, that's why you let loki guide you to the flow elim and why loki is still alive at the endgame
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Post Post #1402 (isolation #88) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:18 am

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In post 1394, Hopkirk wrote:if it was me + Flow then i'd have tried to talk Loki into voting Mo then killed Loki at night.
how would you be able to talk loki out of pushing on flow when flow has no townreadable content?
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Post Post #1403 (isolation #89) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:21 am

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@Loki


If you look at the progressions that Hopkirk/Me made on Flow Trap, look at which one makes more sense from a town perspective and which one makes more sense from a scum perspective.

When I rep'd in, I asked Flow Trap for his reads, the reads he gave me were pretty awful and I felt he had just made them up on the spot. That's why I ended up hammering him.

Look at Hopkirk's progression. He's essentially using the Flowtrap Elimination to pocket you, once you decide flow has to go, Hopkirk follows along because he knows he can get towncred for following you and then cruise into the endgame.

One of these makes sense as the bussing scum, one of them does not.
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Post Post #1404 (isolation #90) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:24 am

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I would imagine that you are already pretty heavily pocketed even before the flow trap flip since I asked you about your read on Hopkirk and you essentially said you trust him completely.

Flow Trap flipping red will only cement this townread you hold of him and allow him to cruise past F5 into F3 where if the pocket holds he should win.

He is banking on you never re-considering your read of him.

Given that information, who is more likely to bus flow trap there,

Hopkirk who has a clear path into F3 riding with you pocketed, or me who has just rep'd into the game and barely knows what's going on?

Think about who had more to gain and who has a clear path to winning.

Re-read your hood thread, was it Hopkirk who brought up killing Flow Trap, or did you bring it up and he just nodded along and agreed in order to get on your good side?
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Post Post #1407 (isolation #91) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:33 am

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why would you kill the person you have 100% pocketed and says they treat you as a mason?
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #92) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:34 am

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In post 1405, Hopkirk wrote:other people had bad content. i could have talked loki into Mo first if i was confident on it and i could clearly have scumcased Mo so this doesn't make any sense as a tactic
you wanted to maintain the pocket so you went along with him in voting flow.

this sequence is much better than if you defend flow and divert to mo

you'll get the mo mis-elim on d3 anyway since mo defended flow in a really dumb way
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #93) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:36 am

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In post 1405, Hopkirk wrote:except i know that Loki has read that game closely so i'm not going to try and actively misrep it
you said pooky never busses
this is a scenario where scum subbing in to a definite wagon being pushed by multiple UTRs and you panic hammered

How does it make sense to panic hammer?
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #94) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:57 am

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In post 1410, Hopkirk wrote:Because I've seen Loki re-evaluate in every lylo and would be aware they would here
Vs Vanders who hard SR you and would have likely factored in Loki's hard TR of me
you think Vanders would not re-eval if he wakes up alive on D4 knowing he had been raving about voting me?

Seems quite unbelievable to me.
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #95) » Wed May 26, 2021 4:58 am

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In post 1411, Hopkirk wrote:If you hadn't hammered you would have been voted when Mo was. You panicked because you saw multiple obvtown, me and Loki, not planning to move and clearly recognised you had to do something to get TR
You think quickhammering was the best way to get towncred for myself?
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Post Post #1415 (isolation #96) » Thu May 27, 2021 2:26 am

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I hope you feel better soon Loki.
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #97) » Thu May 27, 2021 4:55 am

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You are very handsome and charming and I am glad you chose me for your date at the end Hopkirk. <3
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #98) » Thu May 27, 2021 8:00 pm

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I don't really think egocentric is an insult.

I consider myself an egocentric person.

I can see that you consider it mean and I apologize for saying it to you.
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Post Post #1438 (isolation #99) » Fri May 28, 2021 1:38 pm

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In post 1424, Loki Dokie wrote:So my heart wants to yeet Emily into the stratosphere because I don’t want to chance being fooled by scum!Pooky on a fake newbie alt - no less - my brain is screaming at me that it’s Hopkirk.
I think you know me well enough to know I'm religious anti-bussing lol
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Post Post #1439 (isolation #100) » Fri May 28, 2021 1:39 pm

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I promise I won't hold it against you if you choose wrong here.

We can even pretend this game never happened :)

I honestly didn't want to bring my main's meta into this game but some people are very insistent *shrug*
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #101) » Fri May 28, 2021 1:40 pm

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you have all the time in the world, take care of yourself first.
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Post Post #1441 (isolation #102) » Fri May 28, 2021 1:41 pm

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In post 1424, Loki Dokie wrote:Flow was starting to look a bit better at the time Emily hammered him, so why does scum!Emily insta hammer Flow when monkey thinks I’m powerwolfing poor innocent Flow. and Vanders is beginning to have doubts on him?
well the hammer makes sense if town!me is worried about scum!flow getting away.

it doesn't make sense if scum!me is trying to get flow out of the predicament he is in.
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Post Post #1540 (isolation #103) » Sat May 29, 2021 3:13 pm

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what do you need from me dear?
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Post Post #1541 (isolation #104) » Sat May 29, 2021 3:20 pm

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I think it's pretty clear from your understanding of my scum meta that I am very very good at getting mis-elims when I am scum.

In the Isis game infinity didn't have to do much, just watch me mis-elim all the townies for her.

This is pretty much true in every scum game I play.

I don't really try to eliminate my teammates unless it's like elo or I am trying to distance while getting eliminated or whatever.

I can tell you with no doubt that if I had replaced into this slot and it was scum, that I could easily flip the elimination from flow onto someone else and then eliminate yet another townie for the win.

You have seen me play scum, I am mostly ruthless and very good at killing townies and setting up my partners to endgame if I should mess up.

I do not do bussing as a matter of pride if anything else.
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Post Post #1542 (isolation #105) » Sat May 29, 2021 3:22 pm

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I can tell you that you will be happier to hammer scum!hopkirk rather than town!emily here.

I am sorry I didn't try harder for you. If I knew you were you I would've probably not messed around this game and tried harder to help you win.

and if you choose wrong I promise to never mention this game again or provide you with the support you need after the game is over, whichever you prefer.
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Post Post #1543 (isolation #106) » Sat May 29, 2021 5:05 pm

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In post 1481, Loki Dokie wrote:The TM game. Emily can probably respond to this better but you’re not explaining why it’s this game, Pooky suddenly inexplicably busses here and you’re not addressing my points. Monkey voted me because he thought Flow was town. Mo hard defended Flow. Vanders had doubts and Flow’s posting right before that hammer wasn’t bad. If I’m scum!Emily here, I try to read the crowd and see if Flow is possibly savable and I don’t hammer unless I think it’s completely hopeless and I don’t have a no bussing meta, although I personally won’t unless I feel I absolutely have to.
exactly.

Mo townread Flow and would help Flow.

Monkey was on Flow's side as well.

I have a clear path to save flow if I am the partner as I'm undecided.

The person who wouldn't survive if they sided with flow there is Hopkirk since he already committed himself to your side and it would look shady as all hell for him to flip flop.
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Post Post #1593 (isolation #107) » Sun May 30, 2021 4:05 am

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In post 1544, Loki Dokie wrote:so obviously it’s hard to have Hopkirk upset with me
I understand why Hopkirk is upset with losing this game if he thinks he's losing it because I'm just meta-telling that I'm town with 20 years of meta.
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Post Post #1594 (isolation #108) » Sun May 30, 2021 4:05 am

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like it makes sense for him to be upset to lose this way as scum

he played an excellent game.
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Post Post #1595 (isolation #109) » Sun May 30, 2021 4:08 am

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In post 1547, Loki Dokie wrote:He is extremely good at that and why wouldn’t he try that with Flow who was in a much stronger position at the time he hammered him than SS was in PYP.
this is true.

also I didn't even have to convince anyone at that point in time.

Grandpa was TRing Flow.
Monkey was on Flow's side.
Flow wouldn't vote himself.
If I side with flow that's 4 votes already.

It would be very easy for me to flip the elimination into someone else and the game is a cake-walk at early lylo with 2 townies siding wrong.

I have no incentive to push it to this type of endgame where there's a strong chance I lose.
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Post Post #1601 (isolation #110) » Sun May 30, 2021 5:06 am

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He probably didn't know your main is very good at reading my main and that we've talked quite a bit about how to play scum and that you'd know I would never bus in that spot as scum.

Unfortunate for him that it backfired on him in that way to case me as my main.

Sorry Hopkirk <3
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Post Post #1605 (isolation #111) » Sun May 30, 2021 5:48 am

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gg I was town

sorry Hopkirk!

I really wanted to get away from my meta and play as a new account :<
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Post Post #1615 (isolation #112) » Sun May 30, 2021 8:59 am

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ggs thanks for hosting Koba

I have no redactions.
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Post Post #1639 (isolation #113) » Sun May 30, 2021 6:29 pm

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sorry grandpa!

I did troll you really hard :<


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