I felt the 1v1 with Sigmund was strongly TvT just based on tone. Ta Vera was my first gut read for scum which is usually something I listen to so I'll reread those isos.
with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-01 17:15:00).
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 380, Andresvmb wrote:I think Sigmund is Town. I heavily dislike that they pushed Norwee out of the game, but Norwee and I have historically clashed but still, that was tough to read. I will believe the meta claims that Norwee would not get so easily upset as Scum and rage quit - I also think that’s unlikely and from my experience with them they react differently when under pressure and not Town (I played against them when they were SK).
I don't like this post. It feels like waffling to make an obligatory read or two. When I weigh the reasoning for Andre's reads I actually find they come up lighter than they appear. I find it suspicious that the strongest townreads mentioned (twice) are Uneven "feels towny" and SS "played like me when lost" with the amount of more readable content produced by other slots. This townread of Uneven is more suspicious than any other scumread on them.
I also found their interactions with nsg, 655659660 to be quite manipulative, pressuring her into townreading Andre because of her reputation. I don't think it's a coincidence that nsg is the only person Andre seems to care about getting a townread from, when she would be generally considered the strongest town player here.
Andre's cool, calm, collected demeanor may have us hoodwinked. If so, likely partnered with SS.
In post 874, UneveN wrote:and also because the conclusions of sang froid’s catch-up felt predetermined and the way they talked about ta vera reminded me of mafia play.
Justify your work. What felt pre-determined and what about my talk about the predecessor was reminiscent of mafia play?
In post 875, Moongrass wrote:I felt the 1v1 with Sigmund was strongly TvT just based on tone
I think I’ve guessed who Sigmund is, and while I don’t understand why he’s playing in this way and I find his gimmick highly annoying still, but I think his tone should be read as very NAI. He’s a strong scumplayer and his aimlessness is a constant in most games. I retract what I said about him being an asshole, if I’m right, but I hate the persona he’s chosen to go with here.
1. Timing
2. Momentum
3. Game State Manipulation
4. Opportunity.
As scum, I do not target people that towntell under pressure because it's borderline idiotic unless the read I have on the game state is that I can force it through before the emotional town-teller can obvtown their own slot.
I certainly do not target from an equilibrium position because there is no momentum to take advantage of.
All this nonsense sang froid is posting is drivel.
Either they are making it up or they are one of the worst scum players on this site and have no idea how to create mis-elims.
Sigmund is out of the limpool for this post and the meta take. Tone reading him is still an awful idea.
In post 838, Moongrass wrote:Sang can you talk to me more about your Ico progression? Like why did the posts you highlighted made you confident in Ico town?
I’m going to have to go back through when I’m not on mobile if you want me to try to pull specific posts, but basically I think ico’s progression this game has been town. He came in with some pretty terrible and very surface level takes, then acknowledged that he was basically doing exactly that, and once he reconsidered I found him saying things that were pretty much exactly in line with where my head was at on the gamestate as I was catching up.
He’s not locktown, and I still haven’t finished the 20-30 pages, but it’s definitely enough that it earns him a stay of execution with slots like (Andres, UneveN) still around.
Essentially, he’s done enough that he’s not in the bottom four, and then if I am wrongly reconsidering Sigmund, I’d also put him above there. It’s partly PoE from the feeling that so many people are more likely to be scum than him.
In post 880, sang froid wrote:Justify your work. What felt pre-determined and what about my talk about the predecessor was reminiscent of mafia play?
Your conclusions with regards to both me and Sigmund felt like they were made before the catchup and the purpose of the catchup was to justify them. I have noticed players replacing into mafia slots sometimes say their predecessor was very unideal -or- that they were most excellent ('so sad i'm replacing this slot, want to hydra sometime') and players replacing into town slots mostly ignore that their predecessors ever existed. There may be a sample size issue to that but it is something I noted at some point.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 766, Sigmund wrote:I like andres for town cuz he sounds like a pissed off teenager
Hahaha I wish I was young again, I’ll say that much. I think I’m just generally pissed off.
@sang froid I guess I would ask you this - what makes you think I should have rock solid reads so early in the game? What I’ve found is that in smaller games, finding Scum is harder, not easier. Like in any scenario with <3 Scum, the people playing Scum can easily play independently, and almost not coordinate day play at all. Which means you have to find people individually. In larger games, this is clearly not true, and players leave all kinds of clues because they defend/bus their Partners and take risks as a collective much more.
In post 768, Moongrass wrote:It's possible that Andre provides a game to read that they're emulating here as scum, but that seems a little far fetched.
And where did this go? You’ve been reading me as Town most of the game and now you want to blow me up without me actually being that present.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
In post 768, Moongrass wrote:It's possible that Andre provides a game to read that they're emulating here as scum, but that seems a little far fetched.
And where did this go? You’ve been reading me as Town most of the game and now you want to blow me up without me actually being that present.
I think your lack of presence is what makes me question your alignment repeatedly and after reading your ISO for the 5th time I think I'm starting to see how your motivation could be coming from a scum perspective.
"What about your read on x" isn't really a convincing argument on why I might be mistaken. I'd find it more helpful if you addressed my concerns directly or explained your townread on unknown a bit more.
Like I'd be generous and give you the benefit of the doubt with the "early reads" claim if you had actually developed on them or provided some other evidence of sorting slots beyond your entrance posts.
"Nsg is town because of Norwegian ragequit" and "Moongrass town because aggressive" just seem like lazy, easy reads.
