Micro 1018: The King's New Robes | Game Over

[Pink Panthers]

how was it a CC? what do you mean

Arc CC NM.
And Arc was right.

Arc didn't counterclaim NM, they said they thought one oracle might not be oracle.

I don't get how you're reading this as though one of them had to be oracle and exactly one and hence it's a counterclaim. can you explain this

bearing in mind that scum!arc would

know

that NM was fakeclaiming because scum Arc would know there's 1 oracle (assuming Enchant is only oracle), so isn't being right there a scumtell when scum would know it's fake but town don't have as good of a reason to see it as fake?

-Hop

[Pink Panthers]

@Arc- why did you vote Enchant over NM when Enchant picked NM to reveal if he died? i don't get a strong sense you were confident on Enchant being town

-Hop

[VFP]

As I said, I have no idea what's happening. It doesn't help that there's been multiple lies on roles.
I took Arcs claim that either Arc or NM had to be fake.

If NM flips Oracle then Arc is the next day lim and isn't something scum wants, let alone for someone who can plausibly be lim in general.
I'm not sure how Arc is ever that confident with NM lying unless they are telling the truth, even as scum it doesn't seem right.

[Nancy Drew 39]

How would pushing NM (if the claim was true) out Arc?
Obviously in the scum!arc world Arc does know at that point that NM was lying (or Enchant was, or another VT claim was, but NM lying is obviously most likely of the three for them there) so isn't going to be concerned NM targeted them

I see it as a CC.
I actually have no idea what's happening.

how was it a CC? what do you mean

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Us and T3 are confitown or aren’t you reading?

you mean conftown by play right? obviously we had that talk on Sunday about Rock

-Hop

Because Koba posted our respective role pms and yes, that too, obviously.

[Nancy Drew 39]

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Not_Mafia

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Why did NM fakeclaim then? Wtf was he thinking?

[Pink Panthers]

How would pushing NM (if the claim was true) out Arc?
Obviously in the scum!arc world Arc does know at that point that NM was lying (or Enchant was, or another VT claim was, but NM lying is obviously most likely of the three for them there) so isn't going to be concerned NM targeted them

I see it as a CC.
I actually have no idea what's happening.

how was it a CC? what do you mean

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Us and T3 are confitown or aren’t you reading?

you mean conftown by play right? obviously we had that talk on Sunday about Rock

-Hop

Because Koba posted our respective role pms and yes, that too, obviously.

Not Mafia has been eliminated, they appear to have been:

Not_Mafia

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Why did NM fakeclaim then? Wtf was he thinking?

[T3]

Am I the only one not seeing ActionDan obvtown?

[Pink Panthers]

Votecount 1.FINAL

Not_Mafia

(5): Enchant, Not_Mafia, ArcAngel9, VFP, T3

HAMMERED

ArcAngel9

(1): Pink Panthers

Pink Panthers

(1): Rockhopper

Rockhopper

(1): Gamma Faria

VFP

(1): ActionDan

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

An Elimination has been achieved.

As I said, I have no idea what's happening. It doesn't help that there's been multiple lies on roles.
I took Arcs claim that either Arc or NM had to be fake.

If NM flips Oracle then Arc is the next day lim and isn't something scum wants, let alone for someone who can plausibly be lim in general.
I'm not sure how Arc is ever that confident with NM lying unless they are telling the truth, even as scum it doesn't seem right.

I think you’re town and what do you make of it? NM shouldn’t have done that and because he lied, it makes it hard to tell who’s scum if onwagon.

[Pink Panthers]

Am I the only one not seeing ActionDan obvtown?

Idk about obvtown but yeah he does seem pretty townie.

[ActionDan]

Blink once and there's a quick-elim.

I'm vibing with Hop's posting;

although why is your partner still under the impression the bride confirmed your slot. Did you not reply to them in discord

?

I'm more concerned that Arc thought NM had to be lying in that position only due NM's refusal to name his N0 target, than of Arc lying originally even though as PP has said, there is scum advantage to that after the bride was used. The progression from 258 to 263 to 272 feels slightly off since the original reason for going after NM changes from a belief in the certainty NM was lying to a high chance he was. If scum, the certainty in thinking NM isn't mystic could come from an actress that got a VT suit off him.

All that said,

VOTE: VFP

Terrible NM vote, and equally bad posting today. I also don't believe he's that ignorant of the setup in general.

[Pink Panthers]

@Nancy - i mean the bit where i said 'We aren't mod confirmed town, the scum roles mess with that action' then 'you're townslipping again' then 'Scum can use their ability to look like another player for that flip' then longer quotes. we aren't confirmed and i feel like you may have misinterpreted it

As I said, I have no idea what's happening. It doesn't help that there's been multiple lies on roles.
I took Arcs claim that either Arc or NM had to be fake.

If NM flips Oracle then Arc is the next day lim and isn't something scum wants, let alone for someone who can plausibly be lim in general.

I'm not sure how Arc is ever that confident with NM lying unless they are telling the truth

, even as scum it doesn't seem right.

so why did you think exactly one had to be fake? there's no way to tell if NM is oracle/townie for town, so do you still think Arc has to be lying? i'm so confused by your perspective

why were you willing to vote based on Arc's claim that you thought one had to be lying? it doesn't feel like you considered it much as i can't see consideration of that point in the thread

how would town Arc

know

NM was lying?

town Arc has no way of knowing it, but

scum know how many oracles there are,

and if there's one could easily work out which of Enchant/NM is more likely

how do you feel about Arc now and why?

Am I the only one not seeing ActionDan obvtown?

he was in a special middle part of my reads list, i also wouldn't say obvtown

-Hop

[Pink Panthers]

@DKKoba - can seamstress self target?

i've been assuming until now they couldn't but reread the scumroles again. this would mean there isn't actually a missing n0 actions as actress and seamstress could self target if so

-Hop

[VFP]

Am I the only one not seeing ActionDan obvtown?

I forgot he was even in the game

[VFP]

I think you’re town and what do you make of it? NM shouldn’t have done that and because he lied, it makes it hard to tell who’s scum if onwagon.

Why do scum need to be on the wagon?
If NM is scum then I don't see any bussing there since T3 is confirmed and I know I'm town.

If NM is town, I still don't see why scum put themselves there.
For me, the wagon is town (excluding NM from plausibility).

If NM is scum, then Rock is my best bet as scum. First going for Arc, then changing to you as if worried that an Arc lim shows NM as scum anyway.

[Enchant]

I believe Seamstress can't selftarget.


Arc very likely are Actress here.

Fakeclaiming before proposal and then "claiming true role" after with this excuse is what i expect from mafia who unlucky with visits and got simple VT suit which would give them away if proposal was made to them.

[Pink Panthers]

I think you’re town and what do you make of it? NM shouldn’t have done that and because he lied, it makes it hard to tell who’s scum if onwagon.

Why do scum need to be on the wagon?
If NM is scum then I don't see any bussing there since T3 is confirmed and I know I'm town.

If NM is town, I still don't see why scum put themselves there.
For me, the wagon is town (excluding NM from plausibility).

If NM is scum, then Rock is my best bet as scum. First going for Arc, then changing to you as if worried that an Arc lim shows NM as scum anyway.

Am I misunderstanding something? Didn’t he flip vt?

[Pink Panthers]

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Not_Mafia

Vanilla Townie

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[Pink Panthers]

Setup:

Mafia do not possess a factional kill.
Both members of the mafia have a vengeful ability they may use upon being eliminated to kill 1 town.
The setup split is 2/7
Mafia have Daytalk
A mechanic involving an item called a suit, which works in the following way: When you have a suit, in any situation that involves the moderator posting your role PM in thread, it will instead show the suit's role. Once you have a suit, you cannot override it with a different suit, unless otherwise specified in a role's description.

The setup is a semi-open, with the following setups being possible:
Mafia Actress x2, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic, Vanilla Townie x5
Mafia Seamstress, Mafia Actress, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic x2, Vanilla Townie x4
Mafia Seamstress x2, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic x3, Vanilla Townie x3

Spoiler: Sample Town Role PMs:

DkKoba

Vanilla Townie

You are a Vanilla Townie.

You may utilize your vote in order to eliminate a player from the game every day.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated. Good Luck.

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DkKoba

Town Mystic

You are a Town Mystic.

Every night, you may choose a player.

Upon your death, the player you chose will have their role publicly revealed. If the chosen player has a suit, the suit will show instead.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated. Good Luck.

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as well as your n0 action.

DkKoba

D1 Town Bride

Once per game, and only during day 1, you may target a player. A mod post will be posted in thread stating "The bride proposes marriage!". The effect depends on how the player reacts.
If they decline: There will be a mod post stating "The marriage was rejected..."
If they accept: Both you and the player you targeted will have their full roles revealed by the moderator. If a player has a suit, the suit will be revealed instead.


You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated. Good Luck.


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Spoiler: Sample Mafia Role PMs

Mafia Role PMs:

DkKoba

Mafia Seamstress

You are a Mafia Seamstress alongside [Player]. You may speak to them at any time in this private topic:

Every night you may target a player. You will give that player a suit of a role that is already in the current game, of which the target player is informed of. The suit will cause that player to reveal as whatever the suit shows if the player either has their role revealed or die. A player may not receive a 2nd suit once they already have one.

The possible suits available in this game are: Vanilla Townie, Town Mystic, Town Bride, [Mafia Actress, Mafia Seamstress]

If you were to die at any point in this game, you will receive a 1 shot vengeful ability and may shoot a town player.

You win when you have plurality with town. Good Luck.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this PM with your role name and alignment,

as well as your n0 action.

DkKoba

Mafia Actress

You are a Mafia Actress alongside [Player]. You may speak to them at any time in this private topic:

Every night you may target a player. You will receive a suit which is a copy of that player's role, of which you will be informed of.
The suit will cause you to reveal as whatever the suit shows if you either have your role revealed or die. A player may not receive a 2nd suit once they already have one, however the Actress has an exception that allows them to override their current suit.

If you were to die at any point in this game, you will receive a 1 shot vengeful ability and may shoot a town player.

You win when you have plurality with town. Good Luck.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this PM with your role name and alignment,

as well as your n0 action.

[Pink Panthers]

@Aa9, you are not allowed to tell another player to replace out.

[Pink Panthers]

I think you’re town and what do you make of it? NM shouldn’t have done that and because he lied, it makes it hard to tell who’s scum if onwagon.

Why do scum need to be on the wagon?
If NM is scum then I don't see any bussing there since T3 is confirmed and I know I'm town.

If NM is town, I still don't see why scum put themselves there.
For me, the wagon is town (excluding NM from plausibility).

If NM is scum, then Rock is my best bet as scum. First going for Arc, then changing to you as if worried that an Arc lim shows NM as scum anyway.

How does he flip vt then?

@mod, can scum actually influence flips?

[Rockhopper]

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Why i am not Town in this situation?
Why NM mafia based on mechanics?

Conftowns excluded.

The theory I had in mind was that Arc fakeclaimed oracle and bussed NM as an attempt to convince town the setup was indeed seamstress/seamstress who disguised each other since it would have looked really bad for NM otherwise.

[Pink Panthers]

@Nancy - scum will flip as town, but we'll know they're scum based on there being a kill in any reasonable scenario

A mechanic involving an item called a suit, which works in the following way:

When you have a suit, in any situation that involves the moderator posting your role PM in thread, it will instead show the suit's role.

I believe Seamstress can't selftarget.


Arc very likely are Actress here.

Fakeclaiming before proposal and then "claiming true role" after with this excuse is what i expect from mafia who unlucky with visits and got simple VT suit which would give them away if proposal was made to them.

yep, there's obvious scum incentive for it

-Hop

[Pink Panthers]

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Why i am not Town in this situation?
Why NM mafia based on mechanics?

Conftowns excluded.

The theory I had in mind was that Arc fakeclaimed oracle and bussed NM as an attempt to convince town the setup was indeed seamstress/seamstress who disguised each other since it would have looked really bad for NM otherwise.

why are you still considering NM as possible scum?

-Hop

[Pink Panthers]

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Why i am not Town in this situation?
Why NM mafia based on mechanics?

Conftowns excluded.

The theory I had in mind was that Arc fakeclaimed oracle and bussed NM as an attempt to convince town the setup was indeed seamstress/seamstress who disguised each other since it would have looked really bad for NM otherwise.

So NM could still be scum then?

[Pink Panthers]

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Why i am not Town in this situation?
Why NM mafia based on mechanics?

Conftowns excluded.

The theory I had in mind was that Arc fakeclaimed oracle and bussed NM as an attempt to convince town the setup was indeed seamstress/seamstress who disguised each other since it would have looked really bad for NM otherwise.

why are you still considering NM as possible scum?

-Hop

I’m confused, are flips real or not?