Open 819 | The Mindmeld Theory | Postgame

[Ich Troje]

so pee pee poo poo

[skitter30]

I dont really have anythibg new to add before the flips happen, i think they're both probably town

@ich

[Datisi]

admittedly I'm not as sold on T3/SS solve, it's been degrading since my hard accusation and now I see everyone as scummy

except vulture.

vulture is decidedly not scummy

and ig pooky.

?

[Ich Troje]

admittedly I'm not as sold on T3/SS solve, it's been degrading since my hard accusation and now I see everyone as scummy

except vulture.

vulture is decidedly not scummy

and ig pooky.

?

are you saying this is contradictory?

[Ich Troje]

because denied.

[Datisi]

no, i'm asking you to elaborate

if you find almost everyone to be scummy, then either you found something in my play scummy (which i wanna hear about) or in the meantime you gained a townread on like most of the game (which i also want to hear about) because i cannot interact with one-liners

[Ich Troje]

what I found scummy is that you aren't towntelling and I don't exactly have reasons to townread you here unless Umlaut flips scum here.

I have a current PoE solve but by no means do I feel confident in 100% it because I respect nearly everyone's scumgames here. If you're town it'll be fine as long as we keep flipping purely town because we can be off by a margin of 2 players with 2 scum alive and still win with a proper 4 person PoE.

Who do you think is scum? You said you think SS+Umlaut are both town - so what is your view of the gamestate here?

[Datisi]

i mean i am trying to but all the interactions are either [one liners that may or may not have relevance to the game that i cannot interact with] or [mudflinging with skitter]

"it'll be fine if we keep flipping town" yeah lmao

looking at the playerlist, i have at least some sorta townpings on everyone other than t3 and a50. (a50 is kind of an active scumread while t3 is still "fuck if i know".) but i'm not a fool to believe that i've nailed the scumteam on d1 here, so.

- skitter i now kind of think is +town that she decided to drop the fight rather then keep at it? like scum!skitter could definitely hold her weight there, it would easily clog up the thread, and i'm p sure she'd be smart enough to know that people would call her out for it.
- vulture i'm starting to like mostly for their comments around skitter/me, but it's still not very solid.
- you're similarly "sorta town" because i think i would expect scum!you to like, be positioning around things more, but you don't seem to either be pocketing anyone or trying to get into a position where you could brute force things, so there's that
- the townread i'm most requestioning rn is actually pooky? like i started off thinking that "he feels relaxed" and "he's emplying a pro-town strategy that is counter to how he played as sscum", but like, i don't think i actually have a reason why scum!pooky *wouldn't* be playing like this, so that read is probably the most likely one to drop

and pp feels like classic town!pp idk. it's been ages since i've seen scum!pengu but i'll trust my gut (and skitter) there for now

so i guess it's kinda like

[pp, s_s]
[ich, skitter, umlaut]
[vulture]
[pooky]
[t3]
[a50]

with the caveat that all of these feel very fragile and i would not be terribly surprised at any flip here

why do you think i'm not partnered with umlaut specifically?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm literally masons with Best Bird

[Ich Troje]

I'm literally masons with Best Bird

I cc mason

[skitter30]

- skitter i now kind of think is +town that she decided to drop the fight rather then keep at it? like scum!skitter could definitely hold her weight there, it would easily clog up the thread, and i'm p sure she'd be smart enough to know that people would call her out for it.

>.>

[skitter30]

Why is a50 an active scumread?

[Datisi]

skitter, does that face means that you would like to talk to me about something

pedit: uhh lemme see
a50 just has an aura of feeling... off i guess? like the way he's expressing reads makes me think there's no actual deeper thought process behind them (like the vulture read, whatever 259 is) and i don't think i see any ~logical follow up~ with any of them? like it's weird to explain, i have a feeling town!a50 would somehow be doing something to sort this game and he's just Not

some posts like 247 pinged me as tonally off (not gonna claim to be an expert in that field but my gut said so so here we are), and the entirety of 338 (and its follow ups) felt like ~convoluted scum posting that doesn't actually help anyone~

you earlier said you got townpings on him, right? what gives?

[skitter30]

It means that i kinda think ur read on me is nonsense (no offense)
Like your points are True and Fine but i kinda dislike how you keep going back and forth and that paragraph just doesn't feel super real ro me idk

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The posts u quoted abt a50 dont really bother me, and while i dont necessarily agree with his reads i feel like he sort of believes what he was saying. I also liked his post where he delineated his plan for hiw to solve the game, and i thought his annoyance that nobody responded was +town

[skitter30]

Oh i'm talking abt 338 and followups which you distinctlycited aa scumreading >.>

[Datisi]

i mean if i could just get to a solid read on you i would, but unfortunately i cannot exactly control how i'm reading people

and uhh yeah i did not like that. maybe if i saw him do more Things other than that, i wouldn't have a problem with it, but something about his "plan" and the kinda weak annoyance around it make me think he doesn't care too much about it in the first place

maybe i'm just annoyed he practically ignored me earlier but probably not

[skitter30]

Oh also i forgot to say that i kinda dislike all of ur reads as enumerated in the above post
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Is there anything i xan do to help u form a read on me?

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Wrt a50 i think making up convoluted plans is sort of his bread and butter as both alignments, but i think he cares more that nobody elss cares as town

I did just badly misread scum-him tho so maybe i'm just out of practice but that's what i think

[PenguinPower]

Oh also i forgot to say that i kinda dislike all of ur reads as enumerated in the above post

All of them?

[skitter30]

Most feel very flimsy

[humaneatingmonkey]

VC 1.Final

A mindmeld is not only something that allows you to easily recognize other townies in the game. It's also an extremely great threat to scum. If townies actually manage to establish that level of trust and rapport, it is incredibly hard for scum to navigate the game.

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Datisi Trusts:

Datisi

T3 Trusts:

Something_Smart

Umlaut Trusts:

Something_Smart

Something_Smart Trusts:

Umlaut

Not Trusting:

Almost50, Ich Troje, skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, Vulture
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Umlaut and Something_Smart held hands and exited the game together.

Spoiler: Umlaut was a

Vanilla Townie

Spoiler: Something_Smart was a

Vanilla Townie

[humaneatingmonkey]

VC 2.0

Of course, the caveat of the mindmeld is that it often is a one-way feeling, that is to say that if a townie mindmelds with another townie, it doesn't mean that the latter will necessarily start trusting the former. A big obstacle to overcome really is the paranoia that you are being pocketed by a scum player. Someone making this kind of post towards your slot can be a great source of paranoia.

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Not Trusting:

Almost50, T3, Ich Troje, skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, Datisi, Vulture

Deadline in (expired on 2021-07-30 09:40:00).[/color]

[T3]

What now?

[skitter30]

Nice, 1/3 of the way there
I would feel p good abt putting penguin in the next pair

[T3]

A50 is probably good to keep in the PoE. Datisi my positions haven't changed. skitter and ich are very town.

[Almost50]

I propose Vulture leaves with PP, and if T/T I can go with skitter afterwards