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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:42 am

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we are not but i have nightmares where it's infy/pooky and this flips green and the two of them convince clidd and you to yeet me tomorrow
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:49 am

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Eh, @Dwlee are you sure?
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:50 am

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In post 655, Dwlee99 wrote:Clidd which is more likely, a pav/infinity team or a Pooky/dats team. Feel free to also introduce thinking that say pooky/pav aren't a team or something.
Probably pav/infinity than pooky/dats.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:52 am

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But I'm leaning to vote more Infinity than Pav.
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:55 am

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The "I don't care" behavior from Infinity is really scummy, I cannot overlook it.
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:58 am

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Pav is like, meh, but I do think that his delay of vote was probably +town in the sense of not realizing that Infinity was always scum by PoE if he didn't believe in the pooky/datisi scumteam.
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:01 am

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Infinity, on the other hand, recognized this scenario much more quickly almost as if she had a premeditated thought on it (+scummy).
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:16 am

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In post 48, Infinity 324 wrote:Clidd being town is probably true just probabilistically and also clidd seems like a player who's gonna obvtown so it makes sense for scum to choose town!clidd.

Dwlee I'm less sure on. In general I think mafia would tend to choose townies to avoid soft guilties, but town!dwlee doesn't seem like a player who would obvtown very much so scum are less likely to choose him for fear of giving town info. Anyone know what their scumgame is like?
And this sounds like tmi ^

I don't think it was possible for anyone to figure ou what kind of planning scum had in mind for the picks that early. The way Infinity said here doesn't seem like a deductive thinking but a reformulation of something that already exists (ie, that she knows).
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:20 am

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In post 49, Infinity 324 wrote:If clidd is scum, the chance that he would be named as town is 1/2 * 6/8 = 3/8. My intuition says that the probability he's scum would go down to 3/8 ÷ (3/8 + 3), or 1/9. If someone knows stats they can correct me on that.

If dwlee is town, the probability that they'd be named as scum is 1/2 * 2/8 = 1/8. Again, my intuition says that the probability that they're town is 3/8 ÷ (3/8 + 1) = 3/11. Wow that's really low. I hate it but I think the correct play is to elim dwlee and not think about the wine too much.

VOTE: dwlee
In post 83, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 53, Dwlee99 wrote:Clidd is conftown and infinity is weird champ for suggesting that we just kill me based on probability. I don't even know if the math is right but I have to double check it.
Is it weird to want to vote someone who has a 73% chance of being scum?

Even if my math is wrong it's very unlikely that a townie gets named as mafia
In post 84, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 76, MURDERCAT wrote:Each player has a base probability of being town at 6/9
It's 6/8 cause there are 8 players alive.
In post 90, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 76, MURDERCAT wrote:independent probability of a guilty on a townie (3/8)
This should be independent probability of a guilty yeah?

I got the same answer as you by doing a weighted average is there a simpler way to do it

Anyway

3/16 * 5/8 / (3/8) = 5/16

I'm not gonna include the clidd math because that's too complicated

It's still lower than the probability of pooky being town given a quickhammer given any reasonable inputs. It's funny cause it seems like datisi seems like he's doing a Bayes theorem calculation in his head but if I knew what numbers he was putting into that I'd be pretty appalled. Town can quickhammer too
In post 96, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 92, Datisi wrote:"town can quickhammer" yeah sure. give me some proof that town!pooky would be that much of an ass to catapult someone 26 posts into the game. alternatively give me proof that pooky actually thought t3 had a decent amount of scum equity. without either of those, pooky is so much more likely to be scum, and this should be a no-brainer
I shouldn't need to come up with a plausible-sounding town motivation to argue that pooky has less than a 70% chance of being scum here. Of course it's bad play as town but like, come on. No play-based info will give someone a 70% chance of being scum, 50% would be generous.
In post 98, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 91, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 90, Infinity 324 wrote:This should be independent probability of a guilty yeah?
Yeah you are right, I started with an assumption that they are town so that makes it weird when I calculate the probability they are town...

The actual calculation including all scenarios and T3 town is actually way harder than I thought and you need to make an assumption about the likelihood scum puts in 0, 1, and 2 townies
Sure, I just calculated the weighted average of dwlee getting a guilty as town and as mafia. I don't know if I did the same thing as you but I still got 3/8. Obviously you could get more precise if you wanted to and made more assumptions but I won't
In post 185, Infinity 324 wrote:Everyone has a 3/7 chance of being scum fypov

Fmpov the chance that you are scum is 11/16 but it's actually more because I didn't exclude myself

I'm done with this conversation


And just like MC, she had a focus in the mechanics as well for a good part of her iso, examples ^
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:27 am

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Sure I can go infinity first if you want.
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:27 am

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VOTE: Infinity
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:31 am

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one time let's go


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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:33 am

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surely, SURELY this isn't some dumb fuckery like pooky/dwlee

like surely the universe doesn't hate me THAT much
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:33 am

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pavo tomm

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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:33 am

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lol stop it dats the plan is lock win
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:34 am

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if datisi tries to deviate from the plan tomm someone hit him with a fire extinguisher
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:35 am

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which one of you fucks is throwing right now oh my god
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:41 am

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Vote Count 4.2 (final)
Infinity 324
(4) Datisi, Pavowski, Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear
Pavowski
(1): Infinity 324

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(1): clidd

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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:45 am

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Infinity 324 was launched.


Spoiler: What was she??
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:49 am

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Dwlee99 is
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Day 5


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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:54 am

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In post 647, Dwlee99 wrote:I think I prefer pav first over infinity?
In post 596, Dwlee99 wrote:Yes, arc seemed to have zero knowledge of the setup and it wouldn't make sense if she was scum.
I exist in a perpetual state of mald that I should have known that pav/infinity weren't aligned unlike the possibility of Dats/Pooky.
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:58 am

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In post 689, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:lol stop it dats the plan is lock win
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:58 am

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I can't wait to see what bullshit Datisi/Pavlo have for me today
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:59 am

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*rubs hands together*
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:59 am

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I'm the last townie and as long as ya'all don't yeet me this game is lock win
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