[MT2225] Chrono Trigger Chronicles - The Rise/Fall of Yakra

[House]

Luke. There’s a very good reason for why I said I believed Kyouko on Guillo, but unless I have to I don’t want to have to get into it. Just know you’re barking up the wrong fucking tree.

VOTE: Guillotina
Was half-tempted to vote Roden but I really think this is where people should be voting.

VOTE: Guillo
Okay I guess I'm kind of bored with Roden anyway so I'm fine seeing where this goes.

Here is where I saw it initially. I wasn't going to loudly claim a cop soft. I just joined the wagon silently.

That's fair.

The "town spewed u scum lolz" shit IS hilarious, though.

[House]

UNVOTE:

I'm losing faith in this read. I thought he was wanting towncred for relighting the fire under Cyrus after the claim, but he denied that. Jumping on with Gamma instead of waiting for Mara to point it out (which is what I thought happened) gives his story credibility.

[House]

That's all well and good, but you're still in my PoE for reasons already stated.

[House]

I don't want the mass claim to stall just because mastina wants to get fully caught up first. How do we feel about just skipping to someone else. and starting the popcorn there?

Nah.

Could be a ploy to dodge.

I say we do this until she claims:

VOTE: mastina

[House]

I don't want the mass claim to stall just because mastina wants to get fully caught up first. How do we feel about just skipping to someone else. and starting the popcorn there?

Nah.

Could be a ploy to dodge.

I say we do this until she claims:

VOTE: mastina

She already claimed VT, but is holding off choosing who will claim next

Oh.

UNVOTE:

*shrug*

Idc then

[House]

House, you already claimed VT. Lets pretend the popcorn started with you. Point at someone, and ask them to claim, and we can go from there

AW

[House]

Sorry btw AW, I was 99% sure you'd claim VT (would be stupid to paint that kind of target on your head as a PR) and I didn't want to be the one responsible for outing Frog.

[House]

Mastina
Dwlee
AW
Mara

I don't get why you would even put Mara in that list.

[House]

So rather than speculating on potential unclaimed PRs, how about I speculate for a minute on Gamma, who we know was a PR. The flip first had me thinking Gamma might have been someone who could make devices for others to use, but I've come around on believing that

Gamma was our investigative role

. Flavour-wise, Lucca the inventor starts with a scope lens, which gives details on the party's enemies. So I started looking at Gamma's D2 looking for a hint, and I think Gamma might have had a guilty.

Spoiler: Gamma's D2 posts about the Guil/Cyrus slot

First post D2:

I Really think we should be looking closely at Guillotina today. I Believe that Kyouko was onto something when pushing him.

This implies that Gamma does have the full picture:

I don’t think any of you have the FULL picture
I initially thought both Guillo and kyouko were individually scummy, but not teamed. I’d already been feeling like Guillo’s energy had a potential towniness to it at that point. Eventually that energy became enough to make guillo a TR individually. At this point however I saw that kyouko got speedlimmed and flipped town, with the person I thought she was TvS with dropping the hammer. So I think it’s reasonable for guillo to fall into SR range when I weigh the things that had happened since I last posted.

I didnt intent to quickhammer, you know how i play with my votes to wage for reactions, when i realized kyoko was at -1 it was already too late.

I don’t exactly buy it.

Gamma wanting to make sure that the Guil slot doesn't get towncored:

Why am I on here twice? Why is Titus so high?

I’m more concerned about G being in the top tier

G I really must ask, why did you post these?

well it looks more like you are pissed the kill got blocked and are letting that emotion seep through while trying to act like it's all good

though tbh I have a thought on this subject. G can you link a few of your scumgames? I kinda just got the vibe this was like how you acted D2 in Large Normal 230

Softing the guilty

Luke. There’s a very good reason for why I said I believed Kyouko on Guillo, but unless I have to I don’t want to have to get into it. Just know you’re barking up the wrong fucking tree.

VOTE: Guillotina
Was half-tempted to vote Roden but I really think this is where people should be voting.

Strange that Gamma specifically wants Guil to claim first, except to try to catch the lie.

Gamma, I'd like you to flavorclaim.

Not unless Guillotina role claims first.

At this point, Gamma is trying to get a wagon going on without wanting to lead the wagon.

And like, if Guillotina doesn’t gain solid traction at some point today T3 is a perfectly acceptable lim as well IMO. The fact they’ve been a voting bloc practically this entire day phase is such a red flag.

If House votes you I think that’ll be the point a wagon on you can actually form

I'd like some other opinions on this (especially Roden and House), but I think this is accurate. VOTE: Cyrus62

@Lukewarm in what world does scum make this post when their buddy isn't even being pressured?

[House]

VOTE: dwlee

I'm back to feeling this. Mainly for him trying to throw me back in the mislim pool still nagging at me + his lack of flavor knowledge fits in with the bad fake claims from scum

[House]

Locktown:
House

High town:
Angel Warriors

Clear-for-now-town:
Lukewarm

Lean town:
Dwlee

Remainder:
{Roden, Marashu}

Let me fix this for you.

Locktown:
House, Roden, Marashu

High town:
Angel Warriors

Clear-for-now-town:
Lukewarm

Remainder:
Dwlee, mastina

[House]

And also guillo slot was gunning for me etc. etc.

For all I know, that may be in retaliation for what he perceived to be a personal attack, which may have turned into some huge issue in scum PT and bled out into the game thread.

Him coming for you doesn't make you town. Distancing & theater are things that happen.

[House]

Pretty sure Spekkio would be evil, according to a Google search it's a boss in the game

also I know I'm the one saying it but I think I town slipped here if we think scum were in depth talking about fake claims like Spekkio

Nope.

There's no evidence that there was any mention of Spekkio in scum chat at all. The slipped post about him could have been the first time he was mentioned by scum, for all we know.

[House]

House you played scum with me... do you think I get in personal fights with my scum buddies?

We don't always pick the fights we get in. Been in enough to know that.

[House]

Either way, pretty sure this game ends with one of {dwlee/mastina}, with an outside shot at Lukewarm.

If AW is scum, fucking bravo.

[House]

Let me fix this for you.

Locktown:
House, Roden, Marashu

High town:
Angel Warriors

Clear-for-now-town:
Lukewarm

Remainder:
Dwlee, mastina

I think the only difference right now in our lists is that I have AW and Roden swapped. Mastina's post about thinking about why anyone could be scum is really odd in a 6v1 scenario, especially since (from my memory - I probably should have been in bed 2-3 hours ago though), I don't remember any follow-up with that, since she almost immediately locktown'd dwlee and house. So I think I slightly favour mastina over dwlee.

PEdit - what slots? I think I missed it.

Roden has too much flavor knowledge. AW's play, while quite pro-town, isn't *impossible* coming from skilled scum.

Also, remember that mastina is still catching up on stuff, so her perspective will take some time to come into focus.

[House]

Do we have a majority agreement that Mastina goes first?

You misspelled dwlee.

[House]

I understand that I could be scum

I have never seen this sentiment come from town.

JS

[House]

Mastina
Dwlee
AW
Mara

I don't get why you would even put Mara in that list.

You realize that, even if one of the ones above mara claimed frog, that would put me at shooting mara if they were still alive at elo right? If we get to elo, and mara is alive, yeah. I'm looking at them

Who you look at doesn't concern me. You'll be dead long before I even think of looking at Mara.

Limming Mara is gamethrowing.

[House]

So rather than speculating on potential unclaimed PRs, how about I speculate for a minute on Gamma, who we know was a PR. The flip first had me thinking Gamma might have been someone who could make devices for others to use, but I've come around on believing that

Gamma was our investigative role

. Flavour-wise, Lucca the inventor starts with a scope lens, which gives details on the party's enemies. So I started looking at Gamma's D2 looking for a hint, and I think Gamma might have had a guilty.

Spoiler: Gamma's D2 posts about the Guil/Cyrus slot

First post D2:

I Really think we should be looking closely at Guillotina today. I Believe that Kyouko was onto something when pushing him.

This implies that Gamma does have the full picture:

I don’t think any of you have the FULL picture
I initially thought both Guillo and kyouko were individually scummy, but not teamed. I’d already been feeling like Guillo’s energy had a potential towniness to it at that point. Eventually that energy became enough to make guillo a TR individually. At this point however I saw that kyouko got speedlimmed and flipped town, with the person I thought she was TvS with dropping the hammer. So I think it’s reasonable for guillo to fall into SR range when I weigh the things that had happened since I last posted.

I didnt intent to quickhammer, you know how i play with my votes to wage for reactions, when i realized kyoko was at -1 it was already too late.

I don’t exactly buy it.

Gamma wanting to make sure that the Guil slot doesn't get towncored:

Why am I on here twice? Why is Titus so high?

I’m more concerned about G being in the top tier

G I really must ask, why did you post these?

well it looks more like you are pissed the kill got blocked and are letting that emotion seep through while trying to act like it's all good

though tbh I have a thought on this subject. G can you link a few of your scumgames? I kinda just got the vibe this was like how you acted D2 in Large Normal 230

Softing the guilty

Luke. There’s a very good reason for why I said I believed Kyouko on Guillo, but unless I have to I don’t want to have to get into it. Just know you’re barking up the wrong fucking tree.

VOTE: Guillotina
Was half-tempted to vote Roden but I really think this is where people should be voting.

Strange that Gamma specifically wants Guil to claim first, except to try to catch the lie.

Gamma, I'd like you to flavorclaim.

Not unless Guillotina role claims first.

At this point, Gamma is trying to get a wagon going on without wanting to lead the wagon.

And like, if Guillotina doesn’t gain solid traction at some point today T3 is a perfectly acceptable lim as well IMO. The fact they’ve been a voting bloc practically this entire day phase is such a red flag.

If House votes you I think that’ll be the point a wagon on you can actually form

I'd like some other opinions on this (especially Roden and House), but I think this is accurate. VOTE: Cyrus62

@Lukewarm in what world does scum make this post when their buddy isn't even being pressured?

And I notice that you conveniently ignored this post, Luke.

[House]

Seriously though you're telling me you've never seen a completed game where someone acknowledged they aren't uber super townie? I don't believe you

Not what I said.

Town doesn't "understand they could be scum", because town KNOWS they're town. Town CAN'T be scum. The green role pm makes that an impossibility.

[House]

I didn't say anyone specifically. Just compared to like mastina/roden?/aw??/aw??? (Ordered in "scum plausibility") I don't think I look like I am as plausibly scum.

This is scumposting.

He's not saying, "this is who the scum are".

He's saying, "they're more likely to be scum then I am"

Town would consider every single other players in the game to be more likely to be scum then they are.

He's not scum hunting. He's sus dodging.

[House]

I didn't say anyone specifically. Just compared to like mastina/roden?/aw??/aw??? (Ordered in "scum plausibility") I don't think I look like I am as plausibly scum.

This is scumposting.

He's not saying, "this is who the scum are".

He's saying, "they're more likely to be scum then I am"

Town would consider every single other player in the game to be more likely to be scum than they are.

He's not scum hunting. He's sus dodging.

Edit

[House]

You're still not saying who's scum.

You're only concerned about self-preservation.

Come on man, if it's not you, who is it? Realistically?

Roden, Mara, and I aren't happening. If you suspect AW, there had better be a solid case.

You, mastina, and maaaybe Luke are the only realistic possibilities, as far as I'm concerned.

[House]

In all honesty, Luke is climbing in suspicion with his inability or unwillingness to say why AW is more likely town than Mara, the single greatest reason Cyrus got caught out when he wasn't being pressured.

[House]

It really feels like everyone is leaning between mastina and dwlee. If it is someone else, then this game will be a very stressful Elo

VOTE: mastina

why the person catching up over the person who has been here the entire game and still has no clue who he suspects?

[House]

It really feels like everyone is leaning between mastina and dwlee. If it is someone else, then this game will be a very stressful Elo

VOTE: mastina

why the person catching up over the person who has been here the entire game and still has no clue who he suspects?

I mean, I have some idea. You have me but given you're wrong who is your next? Then you're in the same boat you're accusing me of being in

My case on you has not changed.

Also, you're flat out lying. I've been crystal clear about my PoE.

[House]

You have me but given you're wrong who is your next? Then you're in the same boat you're accusing me of being in

You, mastina, and maaaybe Luke are the only realistic possibilities, as far as I'm concerned.

In all honesty, Luke is climbing in suspicion with his inability or unwillingness to say why AW is more likely town than Mara, the single greatest reason Cyrus got caught out when he wasn't being pressured.

[House]

In all honesty, Luke is climbing in suspicion with his inability or unwillingness to say why AW is more likely town than Mara, the single greatest reason Cyrus got caught out when he wasn't being pressured.

I did not say this?

My shoot list was mastina > dwlee > AW > Mara Which keeps mara out of the people I am looking at until elo

The only people I had more likely to be town were you and roden

In what world does Mara sell out their buddy when nobody is even looking at them as scum?

Mara should be more locktown to anyone else in the game than Roden or I.

[House]

I didn't say anyone specifically. Just compared to like mastina/roden?/aw??/{Luke}* (Ordered in "scum plausibility") I don't think I look like I am as plausibly scum.

{* Corrected per dwlee's clarification following the post}

I mean, this is just slimy, man.

"As plausibly scum"?

You're going out of your way to not point your finger at anyone, and your posting is hyper-defensive.

[House]

So no, we are NOT in the same boat.

[House]

Thanks for saving me the trouble, I guess?

[House]

So what am I supposed to do except defend myself here? There is no other content to react to

There's plenty of existing content to analyze and hunt scum.

mastina is the 'easy' choice to try and push due to her lack of content and the fact her perspective is skewed by lack of information on everything that has happened thus far.

Luke & AW both have quite a bit of content to pore over. Are they town? Are they scum?

Am I wrong on Mara? Is there something damning in Roden's ISO that has been overlooked?

There's plenty to do without waiting to react to the latest accusation or theory. Your focus on dodging elimination over finding the last scum is why I want you deaderized.

PEdit: 2501 is a start, I'll give you that.

[House]

VOTE: mastina

[House]

... I just lolhammered.


Oops.

[House]

Inb4 frog flip

I hope not, but at the same time... I kinda won't really feel bad.

Using a PR as a crutch to be a lurksack through the game isn't play I care to promote.

[House]

Mara was very much sitting at a null read for like 75% of the game, and the only thing that skews them town is pointing out cop soft. Which yes, spewed them town, and in my mind bought them all the way to elo, but does not plant them automatically over my strongest town reads.

I mean... fair.

[House]

Thanks to all for the amazing game!

I do have the next game planned, CTC II

/pre-in

[House]

I was hoping you'd see that :p

Pre in noted, definitely going to make room for Fake Claims in the future as well as potential flavour miller's.

Part 2 will be semi open, and is based on the trial section, so I'm modifying The Council setup for my nefarious purposes there

In the future, one way to avoid easy breaking strategies is to use the AU (Alternate Universe) method, where you change something about the canon that completely screws with everything everyone thinks they know about the game (if 'y' instead of 'x' at juncture 'k', then 'd' 'e' 'f' instead of 'a' 'b' 'c', for example)

Here's a great example: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59399

[House]

It's a game with time travel. Until I saw someone flip Crono/Lucca/Frog, I might have believed that even, like, Azala stole a gate key and was trying to stop Lavos herself, or something.

That would be Alternate Universe craft.

I operated under the assumption the game was being ran true to lore and only expected the 3 main characters of the battle to be PR's.

[House]

I thought enjoyed the game. Lol at being dead wrong on n1.

Thank you for modding, and having me!

[House]

I thoroughly enjoyed the game. Lol at being dead wrong on n1.

Thank you for modding, and having me!

Edit

[House]

Here's a great example: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59399

Here's Bork's AU craft:

I imagined this as an alternate storyline of 'what if Tidus had never fallen off the Al Bhed ship' and went from there. Yuna defeats Sin, Lulu becomes the new sin as a volunteer, Auron finds Tidus too late and decides that Yevon kind of sucks.

[House]

Scum PT unlocked, names added to the PM-to-play list

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=87273&p=12911088#p12911088

Such a great read.

The fake Mason claim hurt scum morale, so that's cool.