Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Game Over]

[CheekyTeeky]

You believe MegA? Isn't it too convenient that MegA claims well into the day after all the crowing and comes with the only result that could clear both Shrek and themself?

I think there was cohesion it just wasn't executed well.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't think most of us ever planned to elim someone else. We're just actually taking time to discuss things today.

That's very generous of you.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not gambiting and my play N1 is fine.

[CheekyTeeky]

I am not mad about being flipped, I was expecting to be killed last night so I wouldn't have to out myself to get Gamma. I'm just annoyed at how daft everyone is being this day phase. If anything my play D2 was bad I shouldn't have assumed DGB was ascetic but I couldn't see any reason for scum to roleblock me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Wouldn't it be too OP for both a JK and bodyguard to exist?

[CheekyTeeky]

Maybe there is some truth to what Shrek was saying with a rolestop being on DGB N2 and then me N3. Meaning StD might have just been killed directly which is weird but w/e. At least that doesn't hurt my brain trying to get why scum roleblocked me directly.

[CheekyTeeky]

Someone vig me and put me out of my misery. Note to self to assess players level of reasoning before attempting to gain maximum utility out of a role instead of CCing and being killed.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma you can't save it, I'll flip one way or another so you're pretty much food now. The last scum if there's 4 I don't have a clue on but I guess Kitty is fine.

[CheekyTeeky]

gain maximum utility out of a role instead of CCing and being killed.

But that's not what the sequence of your posts suggests you did.

Yes it is if you would just bloody reset instead of viewing everything from the viewpoint I'm scum it might just kick you in the face hard enough to sink into your brain.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dwlee is definitely town based on his lack of TMI yesterday. I think Shrek being a PR is also likely if they did actually visit DGB and not kill them. If Shrek flips goon then it's likely Shrek was going to DGB to NK and the StD kill was in fact due to the protective. I do think MegA messed up by spewing too much info in their fake watch result.

[CheekyTeeky]

Someone vig me and put me out of my misery. Note to self to assess players level of reasoning before attempting to gain maximum utility out of a role instead of CCing and being killed.

If there actually was a Vig, Shrek would already be dead.

Also it's really unfair to say our reasoning is bad when you've been asked multiple times why you Watched Gamma N1 when that's only something scum would gain important info from. All you've done is blankly defend it without telling us why you actually did it or what you hope to gain from it.

I already have posted my reasons for it, if you don't like them that's a matter of opinion. Here it is again:

1. I thought he might be NK to make all the people pushing him look bad.
2. I thought Nero/DGB were scum based on play therefore likely to NK gamma.

I wasn't expecting to gain any information N1 because I'd have to try and predict scum NK which I knew was unlikely. Why would a scum watcher watch Gamma and not A50 or someone else quietly watching the thread as PRs typically do?

[CheekyTeeky]

why you Watched Gamma N1 when that's only something scum would gain important info from.

Like explain this to me because it makes no sense at all.

[CheekyTeeky]

You're both saying my target was dumb but not dumb enough for a protective or cop to target which is contridictory.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky getting mad and throwing a fit is priceless

You're a jerk.

[CheekyTeeky]

Khzfzmyxmh ihcykitsyxykx oydi6foy.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why are we not having a quick day today?

[CheekyTeeky]

Tbh I forgot Gamma had claimed VT so maybe it wasn't the best target, I'll concede that but again it's unlikely any target I chose would have given me anything so it's not really wasted. Like anyone who thinks they would have watched Norwee is kidding themselves.

[CheekyTeeky]

Actually, Cheeky who did you target last night?

Dwlee.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeks idk y u r getting mad when it's your play that's gotten u suspected. Like I just don't really feel like targeting a vanilla that got ran up d1 was the best use of your action. What am I not understanding here? Also you miseliminated me as a town invest so it's poetic justice although I think I'm a little more thoughtful.

Oh your bitterness makes sense now.

[CheekyTeeky]

I had already done DGB and my action failed so wanted to be sure I was being blocked by targeting elsewhere. Scum never kill LQ even if confirmed town for obvious reasons.

[CheekyTeeky]

Sure I'm being bitter. Get over yourself

No u.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lots of shit takes despite an early good tone.

Can you give some examples?

[CheekyTeeky]

I really struggle trying to read bad/dumb town play /=/ scummy.

Where is Mega? VOTE: MegA

VC 2.6

cyrus62 (4) - Dwlee99, DrippingGoofball, Nero Cain, Roden
MegAzumarill (4) - CheekyTeeky, Shrek, Gamma Emerald, Dragon of the West
Shrek (2) - ArcAngel9, Save The Dragons
ArcAngel9 (1) - LicketyQuickety
KittyTacky (1) - MegAzumarill
DrippingGoofball (1) - cyrus62

Not voting: Almost50, KittyTacky

With 15 alive it takes 8 to exile.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-08-22 22:30:00) or when an exile is reached.

DoTW unlikely scum, doubt he would bring MegA up to even chances of being limmed with Cyrus at this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

That's because it's probably theatre.

yuck

I'm thinking the scum team consists of some combination of {StD/Gamma/Arc/Mega/Dwlee/Cyrus}, and at this point we absolutely need to boot either StD Mega or Cyrus.

why can't we lim my "scum buddy" gamma

I guess Roden is possible if Gamma red, I'd have to reread D3.

[CheekyTeeky]

i want mega over cyrus because cyrus is actually contributing instead of lurking as soon as he gets sussed. plus with any luck cyrus will slip and reveal scum partners while we cant get the same info with mega

This is really hard to see Shrek as scum so if it weren't for the hood guilty and lying I don't think anyone would have linked him with MegA

[CheekyTeeky]

i want mega over cyrus because cyrus is actually contributing instead of lurking as soon as he gets sussed. plus with any luck cyrus will slip and reveal scum partners while we cant get the same info with mega

If MegA flips scum go Kitty next since they probably voted a buddy in case they went down.

Page 84 momentum shift onto MegA.

I see that mega is the expendable member of your team cheeky

[CheekyTeeky]

VC 2.8

MegAzumarill

(7)

- CheekyTeeky, Shrek, Gamma Emerald, Dragon of the West, Save The Dragons, Dwlee99, Nero Cain

[E-1]

cyrus62 (2) - DrippingGoofball, Roden
DrippingGoofball (1) - cyrus62
Shrek (1) - ArcAngel9
KittyTacky (1) - MegAzumarill
Gamma Emerald (1) - LicketyQuickety

Not voting: Almost50, KittyTacky

With 15 alive it takes 8 to exile.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-08-22 22:30:00) or when an exile is reached.

@Mod if a neighbourizer uses their action and is NK'd will their target still be added to the hood?

Answered privately.

Right I am not voting Meg until a claim is made or they stall for long enough. But.

FOS: Meg

Just yeet them if they don't claim today.

Guy threatened to self hammer if he got ran up and you guys are all like "oh he just always plays silly"

This does feel a little like scum!cyrus IMO

Honestly reading back I can't tell who is worse out of Gamma/Nero around MegA's wagon D2.

[CheekyTeeky]

the only wagon that I am currently confident about is "Shrek", I said no to T3 wagon yesterday but nobody listened and i was right about what i said about T3 self hammer behavior is town indicative.

And i have a feeling that Mega wagon could be similar. I don't know much about him , he was all active at the beginning and then went away and then back during pressure and still nothing has changed after that. At this time, I put him null because i rather want to eliminate from my scum read pool.

and also on the other hand Cyrus may be not a bad idea. I can compromise but i still prefer Shrek.

If Shrek is red AA9 is green.

[CheekyTeeky]

MegA isn't anything like T3 in that MegA had some content and then none. We didn't wagon T3 for petering out we wagoned him because he was tunneling slots like a madman and not doing anything that read towny. I prefer MegA to Cyrus, which is the only viable scumread AA9 has to go through today, because MegA has some early content that could give us more clues. The early testarossa town read was the start of their downfall, which could say something about Cyrus' slot.

VOTE: cyrus62

Angel, Shrek isn't going to be eliminated so you are being pretty useless with your vote.

If Cyrus flips scum pr then cheeky and Shrek look pretty awefully for trying to keep him around.

This is while MegA is at E-1 and hasn't claimed yet. Nero looks much worse than Gamma.

[CheekyTeeky]

This list has to be fabricated.

It's another list based on what most people feel atm imo. Why do you think it's fabricated?

[CheekyTeeky]

I really struggle trying to read bad/dumb town play /=/ scummy.

Where is Mega? VOTE: MegA

VC 2.6

cyrus62 (4) - Dwlee99, DrippingGoofball, Nero Cain, Roden
MegAzumarill (4) - CheekyTeeky, Shrek, Gamma Emerald, Dragon of the West
Shrek (2) - ArcAngel9, Save The Dragons
ArcAngel9 (1) - LicketyQuickety
KittyTacky (1) - MegAzumarill
DrippingGoofball (1) - cyrus62

Not voting: Almost50, KittyTacky

With 15 alive it takes 8 to exile.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-08-22 22:30:00) or when an exile is reached.

DoTW unlikely scum, doubt he would bring MegA up to even chances of being limmed with Cyrus at this point.

Scum were bussing though. Or at the very least, Shrek was hard bussing MegA.

Yeah Shrek bussing, but not sure scum even up the playing field with town on the counter wagon? There's ample opportunity for DoTW just to jump right on Cyrus without much attention.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mega gets prodded in 7. Maybe give them a day and if they flake I'm ok with killing an empty scummy slot

Oh maybe you're right not a strong associative for DoTW because they unvoted when we were trying to resolve NAR but I feel ok about them anyway now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Wrong quote. I was looking for Nero making a bit deal out of waiting for MegA to claim same as Kitty but too much jungle to go through. They both did make a point of it which could mean they were buying time to get MegA a good fake claim in scum pt to flush out town watcher. They must have information or a role specifically designed that indicates a watcher is in the game.

[CheekyTeeky]

Here's behaviour D3 was weird when the scum team seemed to be falling apart he was largely absent contrary to how he was quite dominant in the thread D1 and D2.

[CheekyTeeky]

Nero's*

[CheekyTeeky]

Says this when MegA contradicts more people, surely MegA's claim made even less sense? Shrek is still scum though but this feels like possible distancing from a buddy in hot water.

MegA was already confirmed scum from my PoV, the claim that Shrek had implicated scum in {DGB, Shrek} which was what I was more focused on solving. I didn't need MegA dead because if I was shot they were dead anyway.

[CheekyTeeky]

Don't like the tone here.

Fair, I did rush to the conclusion that DGB was ascetic which if you'd read the thread was because I couldn't understand why scum would RB me that night. I do believe now there is a RS in the game instead that went on DGB and then me. Scum must've either shot StD directly or LQ/me who StD was protecting.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why didn't you vote them then and there if they were outed scum?

And so on. And this is just D3. Now you're still townier than equity hence why you're null instead of a scumlean. Plus Shrek is worse RN.

The more confirmed scum post the better and again there had to be scum in {Shrek/DGB} also.

[CheekyTeeky]

The funny thing is that if DGB were role stopped they wouldn't have had a guilty on Shrek and Shrek wouldn't have claimed some obscene role scenario so maybe I was just directly RB'd who knows.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't think Kitty makes sense with Nero, just Gamma. Shrek is voting Gamma, take that as you will and Nero is off wagon.

Hmm.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yep my action didn't fail. I targeted Cat Scratch Fever and noone targeted them. Killer is a ninja.

DoTW how do you know I had a result rather than a fail?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ninja would tell them either Watcher or Tracker is in the game so their fake claims make sense now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mhmm.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mhmm.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok

VOTE: roden

VOTE: Roden
Also down for this

VOTE: Roden
mkay

Gamma weren't you scum reading Dwlee yesterday? Why are you following this?

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh OK, could you point to those posts?

[CheekyTeeky]

Like I feel that scum are under a lot of pressure to get a mislim through today because they can't afford to lose either their RB or Ninja so it would be awesome not to flash wagon anyone and use the day to the full potential. Some in the group of Nero, Dwlee, Gamma is being misled as you can't all be scum unless one of you is a traitor which could explain the no kill.

[CheekyTeeky]

Who do u want dead, roden?

Cheeky got caught lying and made a weird gambit with her role that got a townie voted out over someone she knew was scum. And now she's claiming she wasn't RB'd last night and just happened to target the person who died? If she wasn't RB'd tonight then why isn't that confusing her? She claimed she got role cop'd N1 and that's why scum knew to RB her N2, but now she's claiming scum have a Ninja. But with two scum left there's no way they have a Cop, a Blocker, and a Ninja. It just doesn't make sense considering the other two scum were a Goon and a Traffic Analyst.

VOTE: Cheeky

They don't have a cop, they just blocked me. Definitely a ninja and RB.

[CheekyTeeky]

Not convinced there is a bp traitor but it is a better explanation than scum no killing intentionally for wifom atm. There is also the possibility of a JK which Is probably the best explanation for the no kill plus my role being blocked. I'm looking forward to A50s post.

[CheekyTeeky]

Then why did scum randomly RB you N2 and not the person who claimed Loyal Neighborizer? You claimed scum had to have a Cop and you even admitted it's the only way scum knows to block you.

I can't know what scum has so trying to say any theorizing I have done is "no takesies backsies" is lame.

[CheekyTeeky]

Obviously as we get more information theories will change. Unless people making the theories are informed.

[CheekyTeeky]

JK could also be why scum targeted confirmed town instead of PRs directly.

[CheekyTeeky]

So I think Roden is actually town because if there is a JK that was on me N3, scum will know not to wagon me because someone has an inno on me.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think that's the right way to go depending on A50s thoughts.

[CheekyTeeky]

Guess you haven't seen A50 in action late game ^.^

[CheekyTeeky]

JK actually makes sense with the TPRs and what's happened each night. So maybe mafia don't even have an RB, could just be two goons a traffic analyst and ninja.

[CheekyTeeky]

You can flip me if you need but let the full day play our first.

[CheekyTeeky]

Not convinced there is a bp traitor but it is a better explanation than scum no killing intentionally for wifom atm. There is also the possibility of a JK which Is probably the best explanation for the no kill plus my role being blocked. I'm looking forward to A50s post.

Are you implying there was no kill because scum JK'd you...and then targeted you?

No town JK. Which is sensible because they don't want to block DGB from their action but wanted to cover a TPR N2.

[CheekyTeeky]

A cheeky summary of the setup:

Evidence for ninja
- Result that noone visited NK by watcher
- Fake PR claims of watcher and tracker from the scum team which are roles a ninja is immune to. Rolefishing.

Evidence of Town Jail keeper
- RB of unclaimed Watcher N2 instead of RB on Loyal neighbourizer. Watcher action fail.
- Neighbourizer as NK target resulting in StDs death. Indicates RB not coming from Scum.
- N3 No kill and additional person in hood. Watcher action fail.
- N4 scum target confirmed town instead of TPR indicating N3 kill was blocked.

[CheekyTeeky]

Hmmm...if there's a town JK I guess I could see it if they believed the mason claim?...but honestly the N3 JK on you wouldn't make sense for town!JK

It does make sense if it is who I believe it is.

[CheekyTeeky]

If scum don't have a roleblocker the setup is extremely unbalanced with a loyal neighborizer and a backup neighborizer.

Excellent point. I'll have to think on that one.

I'd be more inclined to think DGB is scum than scum having an RB at this stage. Massclaim will help when everyone has checked in.

[CheekyTeeky]

To be clear I don't think DGB is scum, I just don't think scum have an RB which makes explaining the power imbalance tricky.

[CheekyTeeky]

Nero did you eat some spinach and find the balls to open wolf again today?

[CheekyTeeky]

I mean, reread your posts today.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mhmm.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm more interested in trying to work out what's going on than flash voting today. Don't worry, I'll vote you when I'm ready.

[CheekyTeeky]

- Fake PR claims of watcher and tracker from the scum team which are roles a ninja is immune to. Rolefishing.

Wouldn't it be the opposite?

What do you mean?

[CheekyTeeky]

- Fake PR claims of watcher and tracker from the scum team which are roles a ninja is immune to. Rolefishing.

Wouldn't it be the opposite?

What do you mean?

If you've got a ninja, then you don't claim these roles because it's a guaranteed 1v1 counterclaim.

That kind of the point? Scum claim roles to get the counter so they can get the PRs out... I'm not sure if you're serious or not.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why do you think scum chose cat scratch fever over you to kill? Isn't you that they should be worry about ?

Did you end up reading the answer to your question in my later posts?

[CheekyTeeky]

I am not sure that I ever town read you roden. Gamma/t3 and Cyrus distracted me but since 2/3 are dead and mega and Shrek are dead I get to focus on finding the last 2. Looking back I think my interactions with u were gross.

Do you townread Gamma now? What happened to that read?

[CheekyTeeky]

Right... that makes no sense. You can't PoE unless you townread everyone except me/Roden.

And if me/Roden are your PoE then it would be much smarter for you to flip me first since I have all the claims. So really this just looks like you rushing the day to keep your PRs safe. Today is critical in solving the puzzle and you're just pushing bad lims again instead of letting us think.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also everyone has checked in now DGB

[CheekyTeeky]

A cheeky summary of the setup:

Evidence for ninja
- Result that noone visited NK by watcher
- Fake PR claims of watcher and tracker from the scum team which are roles a ninja is immune to. Rolefishing.

Evidence of Town Jail keeper
- RB of unclaimed Watcher N2 instead of RB on Loyal neighbourizer. Watcher action fail.
- Neighbourizer as NK target resulting in StDs death. Indicates RB not coming from Scum.
- N3 No kill and additional person in hood. Watcher action fail.
- N4 scum target confirmed town instead of TPR indicating N3 kill was blocked.

AA9 I think scum tried to kill me N3 when the no kill happened which points to a town JK, if this is true then it follows that they would then target outside of the PRs to make sure the kill wasn't blocked again.

[CheekyTeeky]

This is why I believe a massclaim is the right thing to do now, if there is no town JK then I'm way off and struggle to explain the no kill. If there is a town JK then I cannot explain why the TPRs are unbalanced with a loyal neighbourizer, a backup neighbourizer, a watcher, a body guard, a JK.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why would jailkeeper not be on the conftown without a night action

I have a theory but I want to save that one for after A50s post.

[CheekyTeeky]

Typically there are 4 TPRs in a large vs 2-3 in a scum team no?

[CheekyTeeky]

DGB claimed they added someone to the hood N3 as well so please follow up on that and do not let them endgame.

[CheekyTeeky]

It's convenient that that DGB claims additional shots now that there's noone in the hood to verify it's actions.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also waiting for it to be 2am before you do this is low.

[CheekyTeeky]

N1 target Gamma - noone targeted them.
N2 target DGB - action failed.
N3 target Dwlee - action failed.
N4 target Cat Scratch Fever- noone targeted them.

[CheekyTeeky]

Presumably there is someone who can claim they are in there and with those posts I've stopped caring
VOTE: Cheeky

This is incredibly lame. I put a lot of time and effort into this game and was having fun just to get thrown away by some player who thinks this is american idol. Shame.

[CheekyTeeky]

Exactly.

[CheekyTeeky]

Am I the person who thinks it is American idol?

No I quoted your post just to throw you off.

[CheekyTeeky]

If this is your guilty and it's not a fake guilty because of a RB or RS, I am incredibly happy lmao
VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think this is the happiest I've seen you the entire game lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

Who is playing like it's American idol? I don't even understand what that could mean.

It's OK I'm just lashing our because I don't understand how anyone can just vote me after DGB votes me when it's possible they were blocked....or after the past 5 days of play. It just becomes a brain dead popularity contest.

DGB is by no means confirmed town and you would all do well to remember that.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah sure like I'm not going to be limmed before A50 takes his sweet ass time to show up.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cool story bro.

[CheekyTeeky]

I did not find it obvious that you were lying because it looked like DGB was rolestopped.

I guess that means Cheeky RB is back on the table then.

I was RB'd again last night on a different target so can confirm I'm being RB'd or JK'd by town. Which also means DGB was not role stopped or anything.

FGS. I can't read you for shit! You not claiming a N1 result + refusing to claim your role + saying "you will find out if I die tonight" all lead me to believe you were EVEN NIGHT something or another.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dammit A50 is scum D:

Maybe but who are we wrong on?

Unless u want to argue that mega is actually town. I mean look at a50s reads list. He's scum reading nothing but lurkers

I'm ok eliminating either Cyrus or mega but would like to see a gamma post with some substance

I see that mega is the expendable member of your team cheeky

Funny that MegA flips goon after all.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: A50

[CheekyTeeky]

I saw A50 kill AA9.

[CheekyTeeky]

This setup is townsided if DGB is town loyal neighbourizer. I think they're just a neighbourizer that played an extremely clever game.

[CheekyTeeky]

Nice early reads Nero, stick with your first impressions xx

[CheekyTeeky]

Next time I say I'm vt people pay attention I always roll vt unless I replace in.

...didn't you replace in?

[CheekyTeeky]

I would like to point out that I successfully metadived DGB, and even though I was limmed day 1 I am still happy

Hopefully DGB uses that Roblox quote as a sig. Gold.

[CheekyTeeky]

Shrek, even when there was a guilty on you I kept reading your ISO thinking "THIS was scum?" You got unlucky with that

Want to second this Shrek you played incredibly well. Nice one hiding behind me lol, I won't be so generous in future.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mafia Traffic Analyst
Mafia Alien
Mafia 1-shot Combined Ninja Strongman
Mafia Goon
Town Watcher
Town Strongman-Finder
Town Night 1/2 Loyal Neighborizer
Town 1-shot Ascetic
Town Roaming Doctor
Town Backup Neighborizer
Town Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

What is a 1/2 loyal?

[CheekyTeeky]

I would like to point out that I successfully metadived DGB, and even though I was limmed day 1 I am still happy

Hopefully DGB uses that Roblox quote as a sig. Gold.

It's on my wiki page!

Schwing! <3

[CheekyTeeky]

A50 I'm sad we weren't town together. Maybe next one!

[CheekyTeeky]

What is a 1/2 loyal?

DGB's role is Night Specific, DGB was a Loyal Neighborizer (basically a masonizer) but was gated to only be able to act on Night 1 and Night 2.

Ohhh ok. Thanks for modding <3333

[CheekyTeeky]

Also idk if this is entirely a comparable situation but Cheeky’s claim almost made me self vote which is the second time she’s done so in some way

Hehehe well I don't get called Cheeky for nothing ^.^

[CheekyTeeky]

I often get scumread by town and Nero lol which is usually a good sign that I'm on the right track. It's why I said it's weird noone was scumreading me D1.

[CheekyTeeky]

haven't we only had 1 game where we were both town? and d1 you had the entire scumteam in your town reads and then continued to town read roden

I can't keep track and yeah that's what I was saying about being off which I should've known because it took a while for anyone to scumread me.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm concerned that I'm alive which means my reads from yesterday were completely off and scum are happy with the gamestate.

Gamma is the expected mislim.

[CheekyTeeky]