Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Gamma Emerald]

mine

[MegAzumarill]

and why aren't you voting loftwing if that's your core suspicion out of (loftwing/gamma/pooky)?

I think the associative is there if loftwing is scum.

It doesn't mean that I think he is more likely to be scum.

yeah this is transparently trying to dodge putting actual pressure on loftwing
meg/dwlee/loftwing is the scumteam

I'm just saying what I observe. And tracking this game hasn't been particularly easy, a lot of it blends together.
I'm not really interested in finding the whole scumteam d1. (It's impratical) I'm happy finding a few townreads I can fairly confidently sheep and work on solving d2 when we have 2 pieces of defined information (the d1 lim's role and the n1 kill's role)

[Gamma Emerald]

you know my scum game is like lazy as fuck right?

your towngame is also lazy as fuck (I mean this in a nice way)

I honestly don't know what to do in this game.

I feel... so.. empty.

maybe try engaging anything in a real sense rather than carping about how out of it you are KEKW

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would you not vote for the person who you think is Mafia

Like I think Pooky would do this even as town (I still think he's SK/delighting in being the villain; nice crumb), but Dann?

vote people you're null on so they panic and start making alignment tells

let's say you've found sk pooky. what are the rest of your reads - e.g. townreads?

Too lazy to do my usual readslist format, but Loftwing is pretty high up there (I dunno if you can fake that amount of daydreaming). I liked your entrance, particularly the "I hate my life" reaction to the softball questions. List looks something like:

Loftwing
the worst
unwnd? (had a pretty well-thought out read on me; it's the others who were dogpiling and feigning indignity)
Dwlee?

NULL/LITERALLY WHO: Lurkers
CONFUSED ABOUT: Dann and Gork

House (P-Edit: oof)
Pooky

how is loftwing at the top of your read list

[Kazyan]

I just clocked him as newbie queue town? I'll review your case.

[Gamma Emerald]

i cant believe nobody has called out how fake kaz's last readlist was q_q

fake read list does not a scum make
house should back me up on this courtesy of moongrass

Saria's song, yea. Just an easy version cause I can't play piano (as evidenced by me not knowing the left hand cause I can't use both at once right now)

Clearly this is a conspiracy to hide the fact that you only have one hand!

Spoiler: very stupid joke

[Loftwing]

Wait a second, you passed by all my hard work!

[Gamma Emerald]

it didn't seem worth comment, but since you want it, your means of getting into the game feels like a scum one
I did the same thing as gent 1 in awawav/anon dance 2

[Gorkington]

If the argument Kaz is scum is "Kaz is saying stuff I think it's dumb" then I don't buy it

RARARA!!!!!!

i can see why it seems like thats what im saying
but the point isnt that the reads are outrageous, its that theres so many reads that feel like kazyan is picking a gimmick to justify, rather than them just believing that a player is mafia or town and having reasoning to back it up.

why you skimming my posts!

fake read list does not a scum make

i dont understand what this means but i found a better way to explain my issues with kazyan later so idk if engaging this is important.

Gork? You feeling that, or are me and Worst still in there somewhere?

i have good news and bad news.
the good news is that im townleaning the worst now. (possibly against my better logical judgment given his scumgame but oh well hes been a good sounding board and i cant be fucked to be paranoid at this point)
the bad news is that well you can probably guess the bad news.

[MegAzumarill]

Kinda forgot gork existed
I tr them though

[Gorkington]

ya i get it im old and boring whatever fine okay sure its okay.

[Gamma Emerald]

I sure do love to see people sheeping Pooky's cries of "partner!" when I townread someone and "OMGUS!" when I don't. FFS this game is so scum-led it hurts. Do you guys have any reads that aren't related to me?

a) ive been reading you/the worst as partnered since before wake replaced
b) i have lots of reads i just dont share them for free
c) again with the indirect "all the people scumreading me are mafia but im not willing to commit to it bit by actually calling specific people mafia"-bit.

to expand on c) it feels like literally every read that kaz is pushing in this game is based on a bit.
house was town because trying to solve.
loftwing is town because aloof and daydreaming.

house is mafia because of the gimmick thing.
pooky is serial killer because he "softed it".
people pushing them are mafia because theyre pushing him and mafia is strongarming the game.

all of these are concepts that seem plausible, but do you actually really believe that kaz believes them if you actually sit and think about how reads are genuinely formed?
idk im probably not conveying it well but it just seems really obvious to me >_>

I think it'd be cool if the solve was kaz-kidamn-the worst but I don't really believe in that

i historically have a bad track record of identifying partners so im not actually particularly confident about my feelings about kaz-the worst logically even though my gut is like RARARA KILL THEM BOTH!!!

here's my issue with your kazyan SR, yes his play is all over the place but where the fuck is the scum agenda or motivation? moongrass in townstumps had similar play as town and it made her a really easy slot to tunnel on to pretend to sort.

Since you won't shut up about this, fine. I think you and Dann are masons. You were moving in lockstep but I saw you two do it in reverse orders

NO, THAT'S WRONG!

That is not a mason tell,

however

, it

is

probably an indicator one of gork/dann might be evil (leaning towards it being dann rn)

[Gorkington]

gamma's latter catch-up stuff is like fine, i guess.

p-edit: the scum agenda is faking reads to try to seem like theyre being productive and protown when theyre not? why does a relatively new player have to have an amazing agenda in their play vs just trying to stay alive by trying to emulate some facet of their towngame?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ehh no

House/Azumarill/Dwlee is my poe right now

I don't know if i see them all as scum, though

if you switch house and loftwing you get where I think scum is atm (I don't think the thing I noted wrt gork and dann is that solid yet, plus tbh it feels a bit more like the thing that happened in ln 235)
why is loftwing not in your poe?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma's latter catch-up stuff is like fine, i guess.

p-edit: the scum agenda is faking reads to try to seem like theyre being productive and protown when theyre not? why does a relatively new player have to have an amazing agenda in their play vs just trying to stay alive by trying to emulate some facet of their towngame?

they're doing a piss-poor job of seeming productive if so. They're randomly sussing and shading people, scum would actually home in on certain people.

[Gorkington]

not everyone is good at being mafia.

[the worst]

i am the scums and i have fooled u all, muahaha

[Gorkington]

in fact i would argue that on average most people are not good at being mafia.

p-edit: ya ya whatever kill me n1 if you dont want me to get you later.

[MegAzumarill]

i am the scums and i have fooled u all, muahaha

Oh no!

[the worst]

hold on let me make a note

ok. thanks. we can continue.

VOTE: pooky

[Gamma Emerald]

not everyone is good at being mafia.

that like level -1 play though

[Gamma Emerald]

No it doesn't lol

That's just a PoE of who I'd vote in today

bruh that's just a lim pool

A poe is a list of people you don't townread. It implies you townread the other 9 people in the game if you give a list of three poe.

this however does not grok with dwlee grossly misusing the term to push kidamn

[Gorkington]

its obviously working well enough for you to not scumread them maybe theyre secretly a genius who has pushed the envelope so far that 60% of the playerlist is just noping out of sorting them because youre too lazy to parse bad play vs scum play.

gottem.

but seriously i just object to the idea that people are being dismissive of kazyan's townplay because theyve said some things that people thought were ridiculous.
i read some of the games people are referencing (against my better judgment (idk why i cant stop using meta)), and kazyan seemed a lot more convincingly interested in the pushes they were making, regardless of whether the reasoning made sense to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ehh no

House/Azumarill/Dwlee is my poe right now

I don't know if i see them all as scum, though

those are just lurkers/active ppl with low presence.. i'd be fairly surprised if this was even 2/3

lolno, that only applies to meg at best

[Gamma Emerald]

its obviously working well enough for you to not scumread them maybe theyre secretly a genius who has pushed the envelope so far that 60% of the playerlist is just noping out of sorting them because youre too lazy to parse bad play vs scum play.

gottem.

but seriously i just object to the idea that people are being dismissive of kazyan's townplay because theyve said some things that people thought were ridiculous.
i read some of the games people are referencing (against my better judgment (idk why i cant stop using meta)), and kazyan seemed a lot more convincingly interested in the pushes they were making, regardless of whether the reasoning made sense to me.

I literally was able to make a shitpush against a townie with practically this same play in another game, I think I'm qualified to say "hey no, this doesn't track"
I appreciate your determination (KEKW) but I'm about as set in my feelings for now