Open 832: Nightless Exploder Pandemonium III - Game Over

[Pavowski]

VOTE: T3

Hey T3, hey Pavowski, hey CLSR.

Hi!

Let's gooo VOTE: Clem

[Pavowski]

i dont wanna vote clemcy

Nobody is twisting your arm

Except maybe T3

[Pavowski]

Oo I got post #42, my life is complete

[Pavowski]

i was completely unaware pavowski had posted and i suddenly have much better feelings for t3


UNVOTE: t3

I feel so hurt

[Pavowski]

I was typing up my thoughts on each iso, until I realized that this game has been 90% shitposting even 4 pages in. With the exception of IV and T3. A50, cows, and schadd have have put out

some

actual thought and content, but still within that 90% margin. Everyone else has either done barely anything, or has done nothing but shitpost.

So I guess with basically only that to go on, I like IV and T3 for town and I'm pretty null on everyone else.

This is true, but given the last game was basically 100% shitposting, 90 feels like improvement.

+Town for Q

[Pavowski]

Yeet.

Had things come up today, meant to post more. Want to review before I cast a new vote but UNVOTE: Clem for now.

[Pavowski]

Vibes from skimming this last few pages, Clem and IV look pretty good, clsr and a50 I'm not so sure about.

Last game was a meme fest, I am girding my loins to actually think.

[Pavowski]

Like there are people in this game I keep forgetting are even here

Pooky, enchant, strange

Seriously how could I forget about Pooky

Not that I've posted a lot yet but necesito que mas

[Pavowski]

Woo I summoned two out of three, that ain't bad

[Pavowski]

VOTE: cows

The vote on strange makes no sense, and somehow putting Clem and Strange on similar footing here also makes no sense

[Pavowski]

why not give him the benefit of the doubt and ask?

No benefit

Only doubt

[Pavowski]

Going to put my 10 cents into this but I really don't think its a good idea to put people at L-1 (Isn't it called E-1 though?), especially since pressure should never be based off only votes, rather if you have a question to ask, you should ask it. Although, I don't think I can elaborate any more than that without snapping a rule.

Getting a little meta here, but there is more than one kind of pressure. There's pressure from questions and pointing out inconsistencies, and then there's pressure from threat of elimination. They're not the same but they do both create, well, pressure.

(Yes, it's e-1.)

[Pavowski]

Alright let me catch up

well i can tell you i chose a person to vote based on their posting

There's one point of charlemagne's #100 I particularly agree with, that we shouldn't be afraid of L-2/1.

I want to see reactions from people under pressure, and

if scum do bumrush a wagon like that near the end, that seems like some prime explode bait to me.

I think if it really is just a meme wagon with no substance or scrutiny, sure, avoid that. But the memery has slowed down and there's a lot of actual scumhunting going on, so I'm all for the wagoning.

Can you explain why we shouldn't be afraid of L-2/L-1?

Not to butt in on a conversation that doesn't involve me, but I think his post there kinda answers it.

Town can't lose in the first phase here, but scum can, and anybody jumping on an e-1 vote to hammer somebody -- especially at this point -- is gonna get some sideways glances in future rounds

[Pavowski]

Sorry for not posting yesterday, I was busy watching the Braves blow it, what a massive waste of energy and vibes that was

Why is everybody so timid in this game? We signed up for a game called Exploder Pandemonium, where is the pandemonium?

Seriously, if you're town here the worst thing that happens to you is you get lolexploded when somebody else scumreads you, which is kinda the point?

I mean I kinda like the plan of coordinating the boom-booms but it doesn't take much for that plan to go off the rails, and if scum is helping to dictate the plan it prob fails anyway (as was pointed out).

Let's make something happen or I'm gonna start posting in haiku or something

[Pavowski]

To provide some content, I actually like cows a little more over the last few posts, and self-voting is something scum won't do here as it's directly against wincon. But claiming "I'll self-vote" isn't self-voting.

Also, the wagon on Cows looks pretty good to me, with the exception of maybe t3, but I always scumread t3 so...

Meanwhile the counter wagon on Q is ... Not good

[Pavowski]

To provide some content, I actually like cows a little more over the last few posts, and self-voting is something scum won't do here as it's directly against wincon. But claiming "I'll self-vote" isn't self-voting.

Also, the wagon on Cows looks pretty good to me, with the exception of maybe t3, but I always scumread t3 so...

Meanwhile the counter wagon on Q is ... Not good

Why does the cows wagon look good if you think cows has been looking more town lately?

Do you think there's scum voting me right now?

You hit it exactly, I feel better about the people voting cows than the people voting you, independent of my personal reads on you both

I think cows is looking better in the last 24 hours or so but I still lean scum there

And I think you're a townlean

[Pavowski]

no wim

Sorry I am dumb, what is wim?

[Pavowski]

just realised i dont have the highest postcount
day ruined

You can fix that anytime and apparently it will raise your stock with schadd

[Pavowski]

I have analyzed the trends between NEPs and found this game to be an outlier.

Implying resistance from mafia for a cows elimination:

In college I knew this dude named Travis who drank ... A lot

When he was really intent on going hard, he'd grab whatever liquors were handy, dump a bunch of it into a cup, and mix it all together

He'd call it a Travis-tea and true to its punny namesake it always ended badly

Anyway I saw this post and thought "this is a travesty" and it reminded me of that guy.

[Pavowski]

Ugh I hate this stuff =\

[Pavowski]

Ugh I hate this stuff =\

what do you hate? who is scum and why

Hate when people get genuinely worked up over this dumb game.

I kinda agree with Charle that [pooky, Clem] could contain scum but a good chance that's tvt with an outside chance of scum theatre. But that's going pretty big brain for d1

[Pooky, cows] seems more likely to contain scum as well but next to no chance they're scum together

If both the above are true, Occam's would tell me Pooky's scum but I kinda don't think he is. For now I'm sticking with my gut that Pooky's town and he's pegged at least 1 scum and that scum is cows

Basically I hate d1 and I was up too late watching the Braves choke it out again so I'm probably not seeing it straight anyway

[Pavowski]

i am too bored to be scum

I feel that

[Pavowski]

VOTE: A50

The weekend is for waking this game up, let's gooo

[Pavowski]

And on that note, @Pav, was 488 the catalyst for you voting A50 or was there another reason?

I was already inclined to vote A50 since the Cows wagon seems to have derailed but 488 convinced me to take the leap, lot of hedging going on there, and I say that as a master hedger

His self-vote is a head-scratcher but in that spot it could be fuckery

[Pavowski]

Yeet.

[Pavowski]

Because this game sucks rocks and I won't have another round of debates. If my lim gets the game to the "knock-outs stage" so be it.

cow sigh
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scum!Strange is playing the role of being very vocal against the whole scum trying to rush D1 but hasn't been proactively doing anything which i find kind of incongruent. i think that pings me because it feels like his adamance against players like pooky who are memeing is theatre either with a scumbuddy or just to look town. if cows goes through i think this play is like some sort of hedge about being scum being spread out among the gamestate or whatever.

i think strange hedge is scummy
185, 236, 270
the newbie where they replaced in as soloscum i saw it a fair bit
i'm lazy so here's the copy-and-paste for ur taskbar

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87429&user_select[]=35821

#1691 is the hugest offender. #1681 #1616 also wack

i'm looking at an iso of a town game they played with me and there's a lot of early conclusions, personal anecdotes and emotions that are shown, not said (if that's an actual towntell?)
not very much hedge

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87240&user_select[]=35821

in fact the differences between this town game and the (hypothetical) two scum games is a lot, and are relatively recent (all of these are in a 5 month period)

Hmm. I've been nullish on Strange and I try not to meta too hard but I can see the similarities there

[Pavowski]

There will be no "interactions", no VCA.. etc. It's a meme. literally a guessing game. I don't believe I will have better reads if I last longer, because the one who will explode is most likely a TOWN PLAYER, so theor choice doesn't give me any additional info (except for theirs and their target's flip). Like, let's say I could explode now and I choose to target X (feel free to replace X with the player of your choice). I flip green and X flips (again, consider both cases). Now what does that tell you about Y & Z?

I mostly agree with you, except for this last part. The entire reason this game and this first day are dragging out is because of the one element of the mechanic designed to keep the game from being pure meme madness: looking at who votes where and with whom on this first day is just about the only thing that can guide us beyond gutfeels when we start going boom.

Those associatives may or may not be good, but they are the only "hard" evidence there will be in this game

[Pavowski]

i can't believe i had A50 in my poe here i think it's clear he's town at this point

I wouldn't say "clear" but the self-vote kinda shatters my confidence in my A50 vote

I'd sheep you on Strange and maybe on Charl, but it'd take some convincing on Q

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Pooky

I do believe that's where I was voting last before I self-voted

See this is why the self-vote isn't a knockdown townlock for me

[Pavowski]

So you want me to insist on being the day lim and try to block the wagon on the one I SR??

No, I'm just saying there were 2 votes on you

You self-voted

There's a new wagon on somebody you initially SR'd

Your self-vote comes off.

It's not the Pooky vote, it's the circumstances under which you self-voted and self-unvoted

You weren't *really* under threat of elimination at any point in there, and your self-vote would have been more convincing if you had been

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Pooky it's worth pressuring here if people don't want to go to charl or strange

I'd rather vote Strange or Charl but pressure makes things happen

scum!Pooky *would* solve some of my hangups earlier in the thread

[Pavowski]

Yeet

[Pavowski]

Guys gotta stop leaving these pagetops open

[Pavowski]

it is weird that cows has posted so much and i can't get a read off him on dayplay

Reading over discussion of cows from last evening and this resonates with me the most. Reason I could still vote cows is because I keep hoping I'll get a stronger town read and it keeps not coming.

But cows could very well still be town here, I remember having similar thoughts in the newbie game cows linked. For whatever reason I think it may be something in Cows's tone or style that makes me nervous.in the absence of something more concrete

[Pavowski]

it feels like an uphill battle getting reads when 70% of the plist isn't even trying to play the game but whatever i will still try. i wanted a green role PM after a miserable scum streak and here it is lol. there's always rereading i guess

i just want you to know i think you're a darling

I wish I could just "like" posts sometimes

[Pavowski]

my vote very likely doesn't end on pavow today but i think there's a lot of people that "out-town" him so he's still in my b6 by poe
if that makes sense

Spoiler:

This is totally off the topic and indicative of nothing but you've chosen the weirdest shortening of my name I can imagine

I miss palling around with you in the thread like we did in that newbie game, next game I promise to TR you on d1

[Pavowski]

[Pavowski]

i dunno how much harder cows can scumtell for you guys

it is p funny

I keep thinking about whether scum tunnels like this, and I just don't think they do. Like Pooky could be wrong about Cows but why is scum!Pooky so determined to make this case? I don't see it

schadd: see 16 (breadcrumb)

im town

I had forgotten this game-changing information

But I generally agree with 646 so maybe I need to townread Schadd a little harder than I have been

[Pavowski]

VOTE: StrangeMatter

anyone townreading this?

Not particularly, no.

Q, pooky, iv are town I think

I can get behind this

VOTE: strange

[Pavowski]

Cool, cool

Cool

[Pavowski]

Cool

[Pavowski]

Finally, A Thing has happened

And with some derpitude and a quick hammer in the meantime, what a delight

[Pavowski]

Can we like slow down please, every time I check the thread it's locked

[Pavowski]

And why the fook is scumchant exploding there

[Pavowski]

I’m also not a fan that the wagon went through so quickly

I don’t get why everyone was so impatient but whatever it’s fine

problem is scum can just blend in with that attitude

And didn't unvote?

dude I have been stalling this day trying to play the game for the past two weeks with virtually no one on my side

You think I am just going to snap hop off the 5th wagon I try 4 days to deadline

i mean I considered it tbh but I’m also getting tired of people complaining about this day not being over so I was like what fucking ever

please play the game tomorrow though

Like in his most recent cases (658-663) IV townreads A50 and Q, scumreads T3, Charl, Strange

Oh and says Cows doesn't feel like the lim

Is it as simple as trying to shut down those reads? It can't be that simple

[Pavowski]

Cows how does it feel to still be alive? I am still trying to process Pooky blowing up Clem and not you

[Pavowski]

Still intent on blowing me up Q? We're out of misses

Today is gonna be a rough day for me posting wise so gg if so

[Pavowski]

Q I hate you.

[Pavowski]

Oh wow, Charl with the surprise bomb. Gg town, I thought y'all had us when Q got me.

[Pavowski]

I'm no setup wizard, but I think a shorter D1 would help a lot. Both for the people in it for the memes, and the ones who actually want to play Mafia.

Seconded