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[Datisi]

however, something did catch my eye.

I'm assuming this is claiming BP. This was my theory, although I assumed it was Enchant.

why did you assume enchant was the bulletproof?

[Aristeia]

i'd say that's slightly pointing towards ari

Datisi please no

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod

, V/LA for 24 hours, not feeling well

[Datisi]

i'd say that's slightly pointing towards ari

Datisi please no

did you... read the rest of that post?

[Aristeia]

That was the line that stuck in my mind : (

[ChaosOmega]

however, something did catch my eye.

I'm assuming this is claiming BP. This was my theory, although I assumed it was Enchant.

why did you assume enchant was the bulletproof?

I figured it was part of a role that hadn't claimed, I thought Enchant might have been 1-shot BP backup IC.

[Datisi]

okay, today is the first day that i'm not feeling *completely* demotivated about this game, so here we go. i started around page ~20 and skimmed from there, mostly to get a sense for the wagons and what the two flipped scum were doing. i'm up to page 42 right now, which is where chaos voted iv. and uh, this fucking game.

votecount 1.11

T3 (3) :

Dwlee99 ; Datisi ; Salsabil Faria

MargotRosa (3) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph ; Roden

Not_Mafia (2) :

Not_Mafia ; Datsi

Innocentvillager (2) :

MargotRosa ; Aristeia

Mewtaph (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Datsi (1) :

ChaosOmega

Not voting (1) :

T3

If no one's interested in datsi, I'll make my vote useful.

VOTE: innocentvillager

I can't get a good read on T3 or N_M this game (or ever, really), so I'm fine going there as well. Not really into the Margot wagon.

so this is the vc at the time. notice that margot and iv are crossvoting. this is something i genuinely forgot about, just *how much* scum theatre there was between the two of them. scum planned to distance and bus this game, that much is obvious. and i know that's within iv's style, since that's pretty much what we did when we were partners.

however, seeing this vc and vote again, i think chaos's "i would've voted t3 here" is not actually town indicative, for multiple reasons. the first one being that, as someone said, scum knew there was a vig. even if they pushed t3 through here, it's possible a vig would've killed iv for being the counterwagon, which loses that night's result and makes the non-bussing scum look bad. this i much smoother.

the other reason, that i only realized earlier, was that margot was in real danger of getting yeeted on day 1. and i think it's obvious iv wasn't meant to be the endgaming scum - he'd already picked up way too much suspicion i think he'd definitely have been killed at some point, and i'm just not sure he has the stamina for it (no offense iv i luv u), especially considering the game right before this one was a scumgame for him too. so if chaos voted t3, and margot ended up going down... that would've been extremely bad in scum!chaos universe.

and iv was always supposed to go down early. look at the vc, flipped scum + the poe is voting him. which is why i really don't think ari's attacks of iv to roden are clearing. reskimming them, i did get the "this doesn't feel like scum/scum" feel, but knowing it was probably planned from early on that iv has to go down... not clearing.

to be fair, i'm still wondering if my point of "if ari were partners with iv, she'd either go full into the bus or full not vote iv and push t3, not do the weird half and half" is still valid. i really *want* to think it is, but good scumplayers scare me.

ok, going for a walk, hopefully i'll still have motivation to finish looking at this game when i'm back. maybe a more informative analysis can be made in early day 4, when margot was still basically locktown.

[Datisi]

Innocentvillager (3) : MargotRosa ; Aristeia ; ChaosOmega

*crying*

also another thing i forgot to mention in the previous post, margot was hard tonreading t3, so scum wouldn't be able to dogpile onto him anyway.

makes me think if it makes sense to assume that both margot and other scum were not scumreading t3 and letting the town kill themselves there. i'd say it makes sense, but also "one scum is hard pushing t3 while the other is calling him hard town" also isn't a story that doesn't make sense, so uh. tldr i'm still bad at this game.

[Datisi]

also another thing i forgot to mention in the previous post, margot was hard tonreading t3, so scum wouldn't be able to dogpile onto him anyway.

except margot did end up voting him? then unvoting him? not even gonna pretend that i can read into it.

[Datisi]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Backups don't inherit, universal backups do. This is a messed up fake claim, she's probably mafia universal backup, which would inherit.

i really want to say this is tmi. like, i want to say this is scum scrambling to vote their partner who has obviously been caught in a lie.

anyway, reskimming day 4 did not bring much. i think margot's reads leaned slightly to yeeting chaos before ari (1821), but it would be pretty dumb of me to assume that scum is 100% gonna put their own partner as last in the poe here.

gonna read what missed from day 5, then probably head to bed. i'm not happy with this, i really wished i could've figured this out already. but ari and chaos have actually been pretty similar throughout the game, it's annoying.

[Datisi]

there are 4 things i have done this game that I do not do if I am scum

1. i do not trash IVs ate and push him
2. i do not let margot make the most bungled ever
3. i do not let up and stop pushing yesterday
4. i do not paranoia on your alignment


if you think i am scum so be it.

1. i think you know why i can't take this at face value
2. i think that both of you/chaos are knowledgeable enough to know that margot's claim would get her killed. i also think she pasted the role pm on her own.
3. what are you referring to here specifically? push what?
4. err, why not?

[Datisi]

also if i was scum i would have shot kyouko since she is a vig

also this is still true - scum me definitely shoots Kyouko on N2.

why/how did you figure out kyouko was the vigilante?

[Datisi]

there was a wagon on aristeia on day 3, which potentially could be a good source of associate reads... but margot was pretty absent during it, rip. i'll go over it properly tomorrow, at this point i'm really tired and not able to think. i feel like i go between thinking it's ari and thinking it's chaos every time i open this game.

[Aristeia]

she explains her shot here:

Lmao that's not a Miller. N_M with the bad luck swapping off of IV in that fashion

i responded:

t3 is better to kill 100% of the time with how the wagons played out

also IV tmi'd NM town when he said NM conftown

she further expands on her thought process in response to me:

t3 is better to kill 100% of the time with how the wagons played out

also IV tmi'd NM town when he said NM conftown

T3 being better doesn't make N_M bad though, and the second half is just WIFOM imo

[Aristeia]

1. i think you know why i can't take this at face value
2. i think that both of you/chaos are knowledgeable enough to know that margot's claim would get her killed. i also think she pasted the role pm on her own.
3. what are you referring to here specifically? push what?
4. err, why not?

1. sure but you've never seen me trash my partners ever so I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt here.
2. I mean Chaos apparently thinks bulletproof IC is a thing so...
3. I'd push somebody dead, I don't really ever "defer" when I'm scum.
4. Because you're very omgusy and it's much easier to pocket you by making googly eyes at you. If I am paranoid of you it's because I'm actually worried.

[Datisi]

1. i think you know why i can't take this at face value
2. i think that both of you/chaos are knowledgeable enough to know that margot's claim would get her killed. i also think she pasted the role pm on her own.
3. what are you referring to here specifically? push what?
4. err, why not?

1. sure but you've never seen me trash my partners ever so I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt here.
2. I mean Chaos apparently thinks bulletproof IC is a thing so...
3. I'd push somebody dead, I don't really ever "defer" when I'm scum.
4. Because you're very omgusy and it's much easier to pocket you by making googly eyes at you. If I am paranoid of you it's because I'm actually worried.

1. pretty sure i've something close enough to it that the answer is no.
3. maybe it's me, but i still don't get what this means ._.
4. excuse you, i'm only omgusy towards people whose reads on me show ill intentions

as for 2... i think your point here is bad, because i'm saying it doesn't matter how much knowledge you have about normal games, it's about how much of a micromanaging control freak you are as scum. and even i, a person who usually likes to figure out everything in advance and who as scum routinely has more posts in the scum pt than in the main game, wouldn't have thought about writing margot a sample backup vigilante role pm, because not even i would have thought that she would've done that. and from what i've seen over my years of playing, the vast majority of people are less of a micromanager than i am. so i don't think it's the matter of "this person doesn't have the knowledge to tell margot the claim is bad", it's a matter of "probably nobody thought she would've done that".

however, this is reminding me of what i said earlier in the game. "claim if you're bulletproof, because if you are, scum already knows you are because they shot at you last night". then chaos commented how he thought enchant was the bulletproof, not kyouko. *then* kyouko claimed that she's actually a joat who saved enchant last night... do y'all see my problem here.

[Aristeia]

I wouldn't even have Margot claim a PR at all if I were scum with her; I think 2 ICs and a 1 shot vig is plenty of power in a 13p.

I think it shows chaos tmi'd about knowing where the nightkill was?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Aristeia

[Datisi]

How likely is the universe in which Ari/Datsi is SvS playing for an eliminate one, the other coasts to victory, type situation?

Because otherwise, the pair in my head is one of Ari/Datsi on one side, and Salsa/Datisi on the other, and I don't know that any of these situations are more likely in my head

this is approx the first time when margot posted after ari's wagon took off, even though this was past its peak as chaos already said he felt a bit better about ari, but she was still on 3 votes

and like, i dunno. if ari is scum, this is the partner not knowing whether to defend or bus, so they're sitting on the side not knowing what to do. if chaos is scum, this is scum getting ready to chain things together between ari and datsi, but not wanting to explicitly push it. considering the level of planned theatre, i'd say it's more likely the latter, but i'd be kidding myself if i said i had any certainty in that.

but, skimming forward, kyouko votes datsi in 1534, and it takes margot *less than half an hour* to pile onto that wagon. sigh...

pedit: uh, was that hammer?

[Aristeia]

mm

I think that is E-1?

if someone gives intent I will just write some final words and self.

Enchant you are very disappointing.

[Aristeia]

I don't think it was hammer?

did either you or salsa vote for me? I thought it was just Chaos who did.

It's hard to tell since Gypyx hasn't done a VC today.

[Datisi]

yeah, looks like e-1. i voted you at sod but i unvoted soon after, and i don't think salsa's voted anyone so far today

i'm definitely not ready for end of day, considering i really want to solve this game today. and i still wanna read on and see what made chaos change from going "i want to vote dats/ari, vig the other" to voting salsa at start of d4 (i think? this game has been going on for too long)

enchant, what are your thoughts rn?

[Enchant]

mm

I think that is E-1?

if someone gives intent I will just write some final words and self.

Enchant you are very disappointing.

Sure, i am.
If Chaos is maf, will die next and we win anyway (did i told it's more choice betseen Datisi/Chaos?). Stop being drama queen, thanks.

[Enchant]

yeah, looks like e-1. i voted you at sod but i unvoted soon after, and i don't think salsa's voted anyone so far today

i'm definitely not ready for end of day, considering i really want to solve this game today. and i still wanna read on and see what made chaos change from going "i want to vote dats/ari, vig the other" to voting salsa at start of d4 (i think? this game has been going on for too long)

enchant, what are your thoughts rn?

You believe Salsa is town? Yes?
Then why the fuck we waiting. If it's not Ari, then it's Chaos.

[Aristeia]

How can you be certain Chaos will die next?

you vote me out, you get shot at night, what if Salsa or Datisi flinch?