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That feels like an incredibly weak town case for Enchant

I'll let you know when I get to 116, sure.

i mean i don't know if that's a towncase so much as me disagreeign with toog's scumcase

but yeah i'm not sure he hammers both of them, and i think he would try to ~modulate~ himself to look better if scum if that makes sense

~ skitter

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skitter repeating my scumread on them is bad WHILE THEY IGNORE THE EXPLANATION THEY ASKED FOR

you wanna requote it?

~ skitter

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andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

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Haven't thought about it since I'm not in the position to consider. But Bingle has some fairly universal good will. It's not that I don't think a50 would have been considered, but what I'm saying is that it is half as crucial as pooky is claiming, it would be a reason for me to not want that.

ehhhhhhhh idk i'm still not sure i buy this or that this would be such a major factor in makign the nk
(at the very least i can't imagine it would be so important for me if i were making the kill in your position)

not sure i have much else to say on this point tho

~ skitter

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andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?

i don't think that that 'very concerned' matches the vibe of that post or really my entire trajectory today

~ skitter

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andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?

i don't think that that 'very concerned' matches the vibe of that post or really my entire trajectory today

~ skitter

When enchant came up seriously as a wagon was when yall started badgering me incessantly to vote dwlee. When andante votes there, you pop up trying to nudge her away from her vote. So yeah, you seem to have an interest

i don't think enchant's seriously been a wagon, and that was not the impetus for us trying to get u to vote dwlee, it was the factt aht dwlee starting posting and looks scummy and i think you're a viable partner

and yeah i prefer her to vote someone i sr, yeah

~ skitter

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But this isn't even a response to what I'm saying. The point is that pooky might have been suggesting we were scum, but when I'm around before then he doesn't interact with me, only linking me to VP to push VP. Then when I vote enchant he THEN starts going head-to-head with me, which is the point of the interaction I'm highlighting. Calling me scum indirectly ("dwlee is VP's partner") is not the same as directly attacking me (which is the interaction after I voted Enchant) which is why I think it's a chainsaw specifically and not just an extension of already saying I'm scum

i don't know what prompted pooky to go after you just then, but i also don't know if there's a massive difference between 'pushing you passively' and 'pushing you actively' that you're diffrentiating

~ skitter

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i'm still not sure i see scum-enchant, but i am warming up to the idea of scum-toog tbh

~ skitter

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i mean at least for me it wasn't in response to your enchant vote, but rather your vote on us ...
and yeah if it wasn't clear i am explcilty saying i think you're scum

~ skitter

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and buddying andante

~ skitter

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What about my reasoning for voting you do you think is scummy

Saying I'm buddying andante is also funny

Its functionally omgus and imo incredibly reachy, as i think our push on ico doesnt look anything like a bus

You're townreading andante for p meh reasons with what i believe to be the goal of getting her to stop pushing you which seems to have worked since she's fairly chaotic and has already moved on

i mean at least for me it wasn't in response to your enchant vote, but rather your vote on us ...
and yeah if it wasn't clear i am explcilty saying i think you're scum

~ skitter

Do you OMGUS a lot, or is your natural inclination to assume someone attacking you is scum?

- p sure dwlee's vote on us was a reaction to pooky calling them scum
- why do u reaf everything wr do in the worst possible light
- to actually answer the question: no

~ skitter

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- p sure dwlee's vote on us was a reaction to pooky calling them scum
- why do u reaf everything wr do in the worst possible light
- to actually answer the question: no

Eh fine. You're right, I'm not being very generous.

Feel like your slot has made several bad faith arguments, and that's put things in a bad light for me.

Let me rephrase this, do you see dwlee as independently scummy or scummy because you think he is my buddy?

Independantly scummy first, and incidentally they might be partnered with u
Other than the fact that dwlee really didnt like us calling them partnered with you and you were oddly reluctant to vote them, i hadnt seen a ton of associatives

~ skitter

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Its functionally omgus and imo incredibly reachy, as i think our push on ico doesnt look anything like a bus

I can look through the interactions with ico but they're not any part of my read on you so idk why it's relevant

You're townreading andante for p meh reasons with what i believe to be the goal of getting her to stop pushing you which seems to have worked since she's fairly chaotic and has already moved on

I'm townreading andante cause <reason> and she's so chaotic and unagenda'd it's obvious

So why exactlu are u scumreading us then

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Also like again you can't just call it reachy and make it so

WHY is it reachy

Yes it is some OMGUS but that also is completely valid in this scenario cause of the way you've pushed me not that you scumread me at all

Uh explain why we're pushing our partner from p2 and were one of the biggest advocates for flipping him?

I actually still dont get what prompted ur initial read on us

~ Skitter

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I mean, yall are both town, so we want Enchant today or Toogeloo today?

Toog overenchant but vp over both

~ skitter

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Why does scum-toog start the day on their partner again?

~ skitter

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If they flip town, I look worse, you push me tomorrow. If they flip scum, you can push your tinfoil tomorrow.

i mean if they flip town do u accept being the mylo flip tom?

~ skitter

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Enchant just claimed goon???

i mean this isn't real, and why does he do this as scum anyways?

~ skitter

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My gamestate read, at the moment, is that we’re in a 1 in 1 out scum in {VP/DW/Andante/FG} scenario. There was just too much resistance for too long to looking outside of it for me to think that there are two scum in there actively, unless the team is specifically Andante/Dwlee and their goal was to flip FG and VP sequentially. There are a couple little troubling things that won’t let me take that entirely off of the table, but given Andantes play overall and how everything seems to be shaking, I don’t put much credence into it.

why not vp/dwlee?

~ skitter

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. From a gamestate standpoint, fighting a proxy war with your scumbuddy through two townies is a pretty healthy position to be in as scum this close to MYLO, (for proof of concept, check out the Mini theme from Team mafia this year where shea/FL did basically exactly that FL hiding behind Pine(my team) and Ramcius and Shea hiding behind TSQ.)

wait, i'm confused how this is playing out in this game

~ skitter

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We should end this day at this point, unless SA has more to say. Think everyone has said their piece.

I think the the solve is 80% likely to be Enchant-Bingle, and have kind of been starting to feel this more as Andante town-spewed all over this thread with insane theories. It's also why I asked Bingle to give reads just to confirm if he was going to express original thought, which he did not do. Apologies to Anandte/F&G for the brawling today, but it was a necessary evil to get to a point of clarity. Feel free to flip me today if that's the consensus, but when you see green, please follow through on Enchant-Bingle and win this game or I will yell at all of you in the dead thread.

can u give me the tldr on this solve, and also explain why you're not considering dwlee?

~ skitter

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Enchant just claimed goon???

i mean this isn't real, and why does he do this as scum anyways?

~ skitter

So you give him a pass as too scummy to be scum.

i mean i guess if you want to say it that way, sure
i don't think scum plays this game this way

~ skitter

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why not vp/dwlee?

Why doesn't VP/Dwlee look outside of the 4 of you for so long?

Aren't they doing that when they try to kill Enchant?

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I don't know what 4 refers to.

I'm just thinking it makes sense that a VP/Dwlee team would try to ride Toogeloo's vote to an Enchant Elim

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VP Baltar, didn't you literally just vote for Enchant a few days ago and say it was "because you trusted Toogeloo"

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I don't really see them doing that until like... just now.

They seemed pretty set on fighting you, which is a pretty bonkers plan if they're both scum.

they both voted enchant a couple of days ago together I think

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VP Baltar has a history of fighting me, he does it every game we play together.

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for what reason?

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both of us have read your entire iso and neither of us understands why you think we r scum

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ok fine

does anyone in this game know why Dwlee scumreads FG?

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it's actually wild anyone can read my fight with vp baltar and come to the conclusion i'm bussing him

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i thought the bussing bit was abt us bussing darby/ico?

~ skitter

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why are we playing 20 questins to find out why you scumread us?

~ skitter

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why not vp/dwlee?

Why doesn't VP/Dwlee look outside of the 4 of you for so long?

they're trying enchant and we're pushign both of them, what are they going to do, just ignore us?

~ skitter

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I'm pretty okay with voting any of enchant/VP/Dwlee. Your pick, skitter.

vp > dwlee >>> enchant

~ skitter

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i thought the bussing bit was abt us bussing darby/ico?

~ skitter

It was that I felt your push on VP felt like a scum push but it wasn't clearing for VP

If the reason you scumread us is because you think our push on VP is a scum push, then explain why our push is a scum push?

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i thought the bussing bit was abt us bussing darby/ico?

~ skitter

It was that I felt your push on VP felt like a scum push but it wasn't clearing for VP

ok if that's been your main reason that's not been obvious to me at all, and why does it feel like a scum push
we didn't push you until well after that so our read on you is irrelevant to this

~ skitter

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i thought the bussing bit was abt us bussing darby/ico?

~ skitter

It was that I felt your push on VP felt like a scum push but it wasn't clearing for VP

ok if that's been your main reason that's not been obvious to me at all, and why does it feel like a scum push
we didn't push you until well after that so our read on you is irrelevant to this

~ skitter

Main reason has been Pooky jumping on me for voting enchant

The push reasoning was when I was just getting the vibe from the push and I think pooky removed/ignored context to paint VP scum with associatives

What context did I remove to paint VP Scum?

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I made a case for why I thought VPB was scum.

You asked me "hey are you trying to bus VPB?"

I ignored your question because I think it's stupid.

VPB then votes for Enchant with the reason "I trust Toogeloo" - which I don't really think is a very good reason. I don't even know what Tooge's case for Enchant!scum is so I don't see how VPB!town looks at Tooge's case and decides hey I want to sheep this.

You then voted for Enchant.

I then jumped on you for voting for Enchant because I don't see how you get from FG is bussing VPB to Let's kill Enchant.

You claimed that you did it because Enchant made some hideously bad posts.

You then start yelling at me for "pissing you off" or whatever.

If you actually want an enchant elim maybe you should actually write out why Enchant's posts are bad rather than flaming me for "pissing you off" or w/e you're accusing me of.

Also there's literally no incentive for scum!me to piss off town!you if I'm trying to eliminate town!VPB

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Mb you should stop acting like I'm a moron and just write what the fuck is on your mind

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I see this word so many times, yall kept using it, wtf is chainsaw?

First of all, chainsaw defense isn't actually being used completely correctly in this game as a term.

It is specifically when one scum attacks another player for pushing their buddy while specifically avoiding calling the player being pushed town.

It's old. Like Tarhalindur tells old, and I don't think I've ever seen it used to catch an experienced scum player. It's the kind of thing you see rarely in a newbie.

Pooky here was using it as a more generalized "Scum is pushing someone for pushing someone else" which is very much a boring argument and not truly what the chainsaw defense is.

VPB literally didn't call Ico town when he was chainsawing SA

He in fact accused SA of "bussing" Ico!

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Pooky, multiple times throughout your fight with VP he pointed out ways he thought you ignored context in much of your case

Do you have any thoughts on that

Is it unreasonable for me to think VP is right

We can talk through an example of a time that you think I took him out of context incorrectly.

imo he was just blowing smoke/flailing.

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Main reason has been Pooky jumping on me for voting enchant

The push reasoning was when I was just getting the vibe from the push and I think pooky removed/ignored context to paint VP scum with associatives

Ok, a few followups:

- why is bad that pooky was pushing you for voting enchant
- i basically feel like vp is doing exactly what you're accusing pooky of: removing context in order to further a narrative
- remind me: if we're bussing vp why cant you help us do that again?

~ skitter

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Vote Enchant

As fast as this is moving I'm never gonna catch up anyway.

I feel reasonably confident that enchant is a misflip, ehy is he your top choice?

~ skitter

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He claimed scum

Ok but why does this make him scum? Do u think scum actually claim scum?

~ skitter

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Yes sorry >.>

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Pooky, multiple times throughout your fight with VP he pointed out ways he thought you ignored context in much of your case

Do you have any thoughts on that

Is it unreasonable for me to think VP is right

Ok multiple times throughout my fight with vp i pointed out ways i thought he ignored context in much of my case

Do u have any thoughts on that?

~ skitter

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Can I ask why you claimed mafia? Isn't that kind of the same thing as self voting?

No, its not, and its some sort of fallacy to suggest it is

~ skitter

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Scum is much more likely to claim scum than town is

I actually disagree with this premise, and think the opposite. Why do u think this?

~ skitter

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I feel reasonably confident that enchant is a misflip, ehy is he your top choice?

How much of your belief in this is contingent on you believing I'm scum?

None, the two thoughts are completely unrelated

~ skitter

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Can I ask why you claimed mafia? Isn't that kind of the same thing as self voting?

No, its not, and its some sort of fallacy to suggest it is

~ skitter

You are incorrect.

How is claiming scum the same thing as self voting

~ skitter

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Why would scum-enchant be giving up here? He's not particularlu close to dying, and he still has a partner?

Whereas i think that this not exactly a tantrum but a continuation/followup on the sort of game he's been playing, and fits eith the sort of player he's demonstrated himself to be by hammering twice

I dont think it was in response to fear of dying as either alignment, rather how bad he feels quickhammering gamma, and it makes more sense for town to feel bad and act out there than scum imo

Like its bad, for sure, but bad play doesnt make someone scum

~ skitter

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Sure, but doing the latter doesn't make him scum

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You're being ridiculous to say scum would never take a flail maneuver to shake heat they are getting for their play.

Hi just gonna point out that this yet again anothet thing i didnt say

~ skitter

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Both are highly detrimental plays to town as a whole, and flail moves in general.

For Enchant to SEE and EXPERIENCE the negative consequences of such actions by town through Gamma, and then to turn around and take similar action is grounds for suspicion.

Ok so if scum-him is worried abt the negative consequences for such an act after witnessting yhe backlash gamma got ... why does he immediately followup by doing something that would garner said negative feedback (i.e. quickhammering gamma), and then only show remorse abt it midway through the next phase

And why even mimic gamma as scum when *gamma got voted out* for it, that seems like a playbook of things to *avoid* doing

And once again i agree that sich behavior is detrimental. Gamma self-voted and he was town ... implying that all such behavior is suspicious when the example we have from this very game came from town is ridiculous

~ skitter

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Sure but I don't think I've ever seen it before from town.

I also dont think i've ever seen scum lolclaim scum like that either

~ skitter

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The fallacy you're thinking of (probably) is personal incredulity, which is, roughly: "I don't understand why that would happen, therefore it cannot happen."

No, its more: selfing and claiming scum are different levels of 'bad' and detrimental to the game, and i think its bad to equate them

~ skitter

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I feel reasonably confident that enchant is a misflip,

Why?

Like, I understand but don't agree with your argument earlier, but you seem more confident. Is there a further reason or is it just the thing we discussed earlier?

Basically everything i'm saying on this page

~ skitter

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I meant think it's clear frustration was the reason. But if he did that as town that means there's a spitefulness on top of that that I just don't see.

The guy said himself he's scum. Why are we even arguing over it

I mean he's quickhammered twice now. While spite isnt quite the adjective i'd use, in my mind its p clear that he's the sort of player to lolclaim scum

Like yeah no spitefulness, but there is a level of trolling-ness in his play

~ skitter

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You've never seen a scumclaim? I'm actually shocked if that's true.

I dont remember an instance of scum claiming scum in middle of a game, no
~ skitter

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I mean we are but i dont think that's great reasoning for it

~ skitter

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Enchant isnt the sort of player to utilize 'reverse psychology' as scum. Like your reasoning makes some level of sense if he's the sort of player to think out his every play but that's not how he's playing. He's impulsive and troll-y. That's exactly the sort of player that lolclaims scum

And i think its really silly to suggest that he saw gamma get into trouble for playing that way and then *choosing to play that way* anyways, just why

Also i've actually seen scum-enchant play, and he took the game rather seriously and less troll-y than he's doung here

@ vp

~ skitter

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I mean we are but i dont think that's great reasoning for it

~ skitter

His buddy has to know he's going down and probably doesn't want to risk associatives as the lone remaining scum.

This also assumes enchant-scum whicu in my mind is relatively likely to be a faulty assumption

~ skitter

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Scum is much more likely to claim scum than town is

I actually disagree with this premise, and think the opposite. Why do u think this?

~ skitter

Scum will absolutely give the town the finger in the face of a conflicted lynch and claim Mafia, daring people to flip them or wifom them into another direction. The only way claiming scum isn't playing against your win in is if you are actually scum.

Why on earth does he just note egg on the vp/us fight instead of doing this ...

~ skitter

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I mean you're assuming that's a true statement

~ skitter

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I cant imagine why he would truthfully claim such a thing either

~ skitter

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1. Chainsaw of enchant? So you're positing that we're scum with enchant?
2. He's repeatedly putting words in my mouth and reframing what i'm saying in the worst possible light. He did ghe former 20 minutes ago on the prior page, for example
3. I thought the whole premise of ur issue with our vp push is that we look like we're bussing him

~ skitter

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Metabadmetabadmetabad

That's a very side point and you're ignoring the core of my argument, ty

~ skitter

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Hydra read: town!Pooky/skitter would have had that conversation

We didnt, and we're town, and I imagine id i were scum with enchant someone would have pointed that out to me before i start defending him

~ skitter

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White flag mafia Enchant hammered his scum buddy super "lol"y, something Pooky should remember given he lost in ELO by thinking Enchant was town

i spent most of wfm saying enchant was scum and nobody listened to me

i changed my mind at elo because my subconcious trolled me with a dream about a talking dolphin

at no point did i think enchant was town cuz he lol hammered a teammate

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You're being ridiculous to say scum would never take a flail maneuver to shake heat they are getting for their play.

Hi just gonna point out that this yet again anothet thing i didnt say

~ skitter

Right here dwlee, right here

~ skitter

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1.) Possibly, but I think chainsaws are scummy regardless of the person being defended's alignment.

Chainsaw requires the defended person being scum by definition, no?

~ skitter

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But now skitter is saying scum!enchant wouldn't be trolly

That's also not what i said, but ok

~ skitter

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if enchant is scum he can just vote for vpb with fg/bingle/andante

theres literally no reason for him to randomly claim scum

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Like really, there's almost zero mafia motivation in all my moves.

Unless i am superbusseridiot.

You were the last vote? That's a supremely weak bus

at least hes voted for scum unlike you and dwlee

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Okay that's hyperbolic > >

For me or for vp?

And my understanding of chainsaw was by definition a scum is attacking a town who is attacking a partner
~ skitter

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But now skitter is saying scum!enchant wouldn't be trolly

I said he was less likely to be trolly. I didnt say he wouldnt be trolly, and i'm also saying this is a fairly minor point in that post

~ skitter

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dwlee and vpb strategy is just spam so much nonsense until town stops reading and just let them mis elim enchant

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You're being ridiculous to say scum would never take a flail maneuver to shake heat they are getting for their play.

Hi just gonna point out that this yet again anothet thing i didnt say

~ skitter

Lol OK. Sorry for stating clearly the exact thing you were saying without leaving mealy mouthed caveats in there.
Right here dwlee, right here

~ skitter

You're putting words in my mouth, but ok
I did not write my post as an absolute, and you threw it back at me as if i made a broad statement abt soemthing scum would always or never do, and are trying to defend that point, which is significantly easier

~ skitter

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how does anyone read the absolute trash vp baltar spews into this thread and think hes talking in good faith lol.

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I believe he's town, and you are more than welcome to hold me to that

~ skitter

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I am willing to vote for Enchant on the condition that if he flips green the rest of the town kill Vp Baltar and Dwlee as next 2 elims.

If he flips red idgaf what happens

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Funny, those are the slots i think are likely town

~ skitter

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F&g is not down

~ skitter

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I really only want to flip in vp and dwlee

~ skitter

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I want to flip scum today

Toog why not vote vp or dwlee

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Because we're all assholes who want our own way. Why should I be the one that concedes?

I mean fair enuf but do u townread either of them?

I actively dont think the person you're advocating for is gonna flip scum

~ skitter

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on who

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On enchant and bingle

if dwlee is town i will reconsider
i cannot promise that i will end up here tho

do u teamread them or just suspect both?

~ skitter

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i mean it's also from dwlee's end ...

~ skitter

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and gonna strongly object ^

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there aren't a lot of anti-associatives for her tbf, but i'm also townreading her p strongly

~ skitter

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this vote is confusing me >.>

~ skitter

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I want a vc first (i am lazy >.>) but i'm willing to switch off of u onto them

~ skitter

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I mean you're angling to switch to enchant
~ skitter

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Why even bring up SA if I'm just trying to end on enchant then

I think you're just looking for an easier, doable flip than us

~ skitter

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You're actively circling back to enchant and pushing him tho, i'm not sure what your point is

~ skitter

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If I'm looking for an easy flip, that would be VP or Enchant 100%

Both had sizable wagons, VP was asking for the day to end on one of them.

I've been asking instead to wagon you and then brought up how SA's push has been "enchant claimed scum, flip them"

SA wouldn't be an easy flip because I'm pretty sure they're near-universal town read for their start of day posting, so claiming I'm looking for an easy flip is being unable to read at best or disingenuous at worst

I'm positing that that you're scum with vp, and you dont want to vote him

Enchant, like i said, you're actively pushing for. I was pushing back on enchant, so i think you're looking for other options

~ skitter

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I want a vc first (i am lazy >.>) but i'm willing to switch off of u onto them

~ skitter

I find it slightly weird you have not switched votes at this point when I'm trying to compromise with you. You playing me here?

I want a vc, i've been on my phone since this last post you quoted and doing vcs for like 10 pages over 2 days on a phone is nontrivial

Thanks for the shade tho
~ skitter

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I'm starting a 40 hour shift with an 8 hour break tomorrow morning. It's unlikely I post on that break because despite the name I'll need some sleep.

Wow g'luck with that

~ skitter

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And ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm conflicted >.>
Bingle remind me why u townread me again?

And why i'm even townreading u

~ skitter

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Ahhhhhhh hard game is hard >.>

intent

Dwlee u wanna do the claiming thing ?

~ skitter

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Seeking replacement for Bingle.

Sadz >.>

Dwlee is almost assuredly town, if F&G hammers, I'm absolutely certain both scum will have been on dwlee as well.

Enchant, Bingle, Andante, F&G. There are two scum in here.

Y do u think dwlee is town tho?

~ skitter

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ok but just to be clear, you don't actually townread them so much as dislike the wagon comp?

~ skitter

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>.>

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that kinda sucks if you're both town, and you definitely won't die in that universe since you'd be giving scum exactly what they need to win ...

~ skitter

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vp back on dwlee plz?

~ skitter

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i mean i think the slot is probably town so i don't really want to flip it even if i'm annoyed at the situation

~ skitter

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Bingle really E-1'd me and DIPPED

Damn, he did didn't he. F&G, that doesn't seem super town.

yea I'm sure scum!bingle upon getting 1 vote away from the elimination he wants

would then rep out after I intent to hammer dwlee pending claim.


that makes a lot of sense

*nods sagely*

[this is sarcasm for those who can't read into it]

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i would probably vote enchant over a no flip but i really don't wnat to do either

~ skitter

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I'm not convinced its inevitable

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i am shocked the VP baltar decided to jump off the dwlee wagon to hammer enchant as soon as it was possible

crazy

if enchant flips town pls kill vp/dwlee tomm thx

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absolutely shocking turn of events

by shocking I mean I'm not surprised at all lol

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this is totally not 2 openwolves hammering together

rofl

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if Enchant flips scum I'll apologize sure

if enchant flips town everyone needs to vote off Dwlee/VP because this is literally the most brazen openwolfing I've seen in 20 years of playing on this site

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and I'm like addicted to openwolfing too lol

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ELIMINATE DWLEE/VP BALTAR IF ENCHANT FLIPS TOWN

DO NOT HESITATE

DO NOT THINK ABOUT IT

JUST KILL KILL KILL PLS THX

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fmpov it was like either I'm gonna die today and then y'all will probably kill enchant on my town flip, if he's town game over, or enchant dies and if he's scum we can actually win this cause we'll have two lims to find final scum in case I'm wrong on you pooks

THESE R EXCUSES FROM DWLEE THAT KNOWS ENCHANT FLIPS TOWN ALREADY

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when enchant flips scum I need a full apology pooky bear

THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE SLIP

THERES LITERALLY NO REASON FOR TOWN DWLEE TO THINK I WOULD NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO DWLEE

BECAUSE DWLEE HAS BEEN SPAMMING THE ENTIRE FUCKING DAY THAT IM A DIRTY MAFIA BEAR

AND IT LITERALLY MAKES NO SENSE TO WANT AN APOLOGY FROM A MAFIA PLAYER

DWLEE JUST SLIPPED THAT THEY KNOW IM TOWN

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god please be fg/enchant please be fg/enchant please be fg/enchant

good luck fooling the town tomm after you murder us in the night

love you long time <3

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Perspective slips are wrong like 90% of the time so another data point let's go

rofl dwlee knows they slipped

they have literally no response other than fake statistics

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honestly pooky if you're town here it'd be so funny if enchant flips scum so you just sit there for 48 hours with the thread locked going hmmm LOL

IF ENCHANT FLIPS SCUM I WILL BE FUCKING ECSTATIC AND HAPPY AND OVER THE FUCKING MOON

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I don't give a shit about being wrong I'd rather just win lololol

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ELIMINATE DWLEE/VP BALTAR IF ENCHANT FLIPS TOWN

DO NOT HESITATE

DO NOT THINK ABOUT IT

JUST KILL KILL KILL PLS THX