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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:27 pm

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In post 23, WINfried wrote:Taly: What's your reason for holding back on a vote right now, do you always play like that?
Sometimes, I just don't feel a vote is the best instinctual way to help me sort at the moment
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:11 pm

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In post 19, Taly wrote:How serious is the vote? I've seen this argument be placed on both alignments enough to consider it NAI
Better than random, far from definitive.
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:19 pm

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In post 24, WINfried wrote:Hey semi experienced people, do you join newbie games to help or because you hope facing easier opponents?
I don't think you'd find the spirit of the latter with any of the SEs in this game, but perhaps you will find it in others.

I usually go for the greatest challenge I can, and Newbie games serve both as breaks while I wait for strong tables and as chances to help shape players who will grow far beyond me one day.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:31 pm

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In post 19, Taly wrote:
frogsfrogs wrote:Hmm. I think Prism's lurking argument is interesting!! Maybe I'm taking more +town Prism than -town Meteor Tome from it for now though
who else is giving you vibes?
Why, pretty hard to say at this stage, isn't it? ;P Positive on Prism so far, I think WINfried looks good, the
most
minor of not postive vibes off Dragons for only meming, but it's too early for anyone else. Except.. hmmm...
Taly wrote:SE can be scum too ;)
Is that so..? :shifty:
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:38 pm

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In post 19, Taly wrote:
Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 11, Taly wrote:dragons can do what he likes ig
i do what i want
does that include a vote? ;)
Taly wrote:
In post 23, WINfried wrote:Taly: What's your reason for holding back on a vote right now, do you always play like that?
Sometimes, I just don't feel a vote is the best instinctual way to help me sort at the moment
Why prod at Save The Dragons to RVS but feel that, for you, "a vote is [not] the best instinctual way to help you sort at the moment"? I feel like some of your questioning so far looks more like it's for filling space than getting useful answers and starting points for play. :P
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:50 pm

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All players have confirmed. The deadline for Day 1 has been unpaused.


Votecount 1.01
Meteor Tome (2) -
Prism, Laplacian
Binatog13 (1) -
frogsfrogs
Save The Dragons (1) -
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ishrar (1) -
WINfried

Not Voting (4) -
ishrar, Binatog13, Save The Dragons, Taly

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-26 20:51:11).
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:30 pm

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In post 26, Prism wrote:
In post 19, Taly wrote:How serious is the vote? I've seen this argument be placed on both alignments enough to consider it NAI
Better than random, far from definitive.
Noted
In post 27, Prism wrote:
In post 24, WINfried wrote:Hey semi experienced people, do you join newbie games to help or because you hope facing easier opponents?
I don't think you'd find the spirit of the latter with any of the SEs in this game, but perhaps you will find it in others.

I usually go for the greatest challenge I can, and Newbie games serve both as breaks while I wait for strong tables and as chances to help shape players who will grow far beyond me one day.
To add to
Prism


Nah, newbies give a new perspective on the game usually and it's refreshing.

You guys also aren't poisoned by site meta so it's sometimes more fun haha
In post 28, frogsfrogs wrote:
In post 19, Taly wrote:
frogsfrogs wrote:Hmm. I think Prism's lurking argument is interesting!! Maybe I'm taking more +town Prism than -town Meteor Tome from it for now though
who else is giving you vibes?
Why, pretty hard to say at this stage, isn't it? ;P Positive on Prism so far, I think WINfried looks good, the
most
minor of not postive vibes off Dragons for only meming, but it's too early for anyone else. Except.. hmmm...
Taly wrote:SE can be scum too ;)
Is that so..? :shifty:
Mhm. :twisted:
In post 29, frogsfrogs wrote:
In post 19, Taly wrote:
Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 11, Taly wrote:dragons can do what he likes ig
i do what i want
does that include a vote? ;)
Taly wrote:
In post 23, WINfried wrote:Taly: What's your reason for holding back on a vote right now, do you always play like that?
Sometimes, I just don't feel a vote is the best instinctual way to help me sort at the moment
Why prod at Save The Dragons to RVS but feel that, for you, "a vote is [not] the best instinctual way to help you sort at the moment"? I feel like some of your questioning so far looks more like it's for filling space than getting useful answers and starting points for play. :P
Of course it's filling space, it's getting conversation going.

I mindmeld with your perception with
Winfried
because they seem enthused. I didn't prod
Dragons
to vote exactly but I wanted to see his mentality toward this game because he's not a player I have an easy understanding of meta-wise.
Prism
seems lower temperature than my recent experience with them but this also pretty early and the game I reference was very different in terms of playerlist and mechanics.
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"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:35 pm

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In post 29, frogsfrogs wrote:
In post 19, Taly wrote:
Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 11, Taly wrote:dragons can do what he likes ig
i do what i want
does that include a vote? ;)
Taly wrote:
In post 23, WINfried wrote:Taly: What's your reason for holding back on a vote right now, do you always play like that?
Sometimes, I just don't feel a vote is the best instinctual way to help me sort at the moment
Why prod at Save The Dragons to RVS but feel that, for you, "a vote is [not] the best instinctual way to help you sort at the moment"? I feel like some of your questioning so far looks more like it's for filling space than getting useful answers and starting points for play. :P
What exactly is wrong with filling space at this point in the game, it’s how you create a situation that we actually can evaluate alignment in? Unless of course, maybe your alignment would prefer that doesn’t happen.VOTE: frogsfrogs
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:47 pm

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In post 32, Meteor Tome wrote:What exactly is wrong with filling space at this point in the game, it’s how you create a situation that we actually can evaluate alignment in? Unless of course, maybe your alignment would prefer that doesn’t happen.VOTE: frogsfrogs
I was talking about "filling space" in a TMI sort of way, as opposed to saying and asking things that gave better results. You can disagree with that being your read of Taly's posts! But trying to stop conversation is definitely not what I was trying to do. I like his response to this now, anyways. Do yoooou have a reason you needed to leap to his defense?
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:12 pm

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In post 33, frogsfrogs wrote:
In post 32, Meteor Tome wrote:What exactly is wrong with filling space at this point in the game, it’s how you create a situation that we actually can evaluate alignment in? Unless of course, maybe your alignment would prefer that doesn’t happen.VOTE: frogsfrogs
I was talking about "filling space" in a TMI sort of way, as opposed to saying and asking things that gave better results.
TMI? :? That’s an extremely strange term to use. The active goal of the town is to get as much information as possible while the goal of the mafia is to keep that from happening. Not sure why any town is would be concerned about there being
too much
information.
frogsfrogs wrote: Do yoooou have a reason you needed to leap to his defense?
I was fishing to see how you’d react, but thanks to the TMI comment I’m interested in pursuing this angle more seriously.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:23 pm

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No wait, sorry, TMI
is
a term that is used and is a valid thing to read on. Scum have incentive to create content, too, because they have to look townie. It's the quality of the information as well as the quantity that's important, and posting game relevant but empty content is potentially scum indicative. Again, not something I even think about Taly anymore, and I'm certainly a newbie here too, but you're misunderstanding me or
something
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:56 pm

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In post 35, frogsfrogs wrote:No wait, sorry, TMI
is
a term that is used and is a valid thing to read on. Scum have incentive to create content, too, because they have to look townie. It's the quality of the information as well as the quantity that's important, and posting game relevant but empty content is potentially scum indicative. Again, not something I even think about Taly anymore, and I'm certainly a newbie here too, but you're misunderstanding me or
something
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I’m sorry but I don’t understand. What you seem to describe as TMI here wouldn’t be information it’d just be fluff presented as information. I don’t know if that’s just me not understanding or something that actively doesn’t make sense about the term or what. The way I see it I’d only consider meaningful information as information and in that scenario there can’t possibly be TMI, but at this point I think I’m getting into semantics not even with a player’s own terminology but with site terms, assuming that actually is one (I’ll check the wiki).
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:23 pm

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Got some decaf and some sleep. Heart attack avoided for now I think.

Binatog, I'm curious about your thoughts so far, care to chime in?
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:22 pm

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In post 37, WINfried wrote:Got some decaf and some sleep. Heart attack avoided for now I think.

Binatog, I'm curious about your thoughts so far, care to chime in?
Nothing so far, nothing suspicious for now. As a player I am neutral and passive, and will vote based on my guts or if someone convinced me.
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:27 pm

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I love random questions at early stages of the game. That way, we will get to know each other and possibly gather info,
especially that I am a potential role that will help town.
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:28 pm

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You know, I can be weird sometimes, but that is my gameplay, especially most of us are here to learn. :mrgreen:
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:34 am

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I guess drawing attention to yourself by flashy behaviour and suggesting you might hold a special role isn't a clear sign you are mafia, might be a sign you're not clinging to much to your virtual life though. But I'm not the fun police (for now :mrgreen: ).

I do wonder though, was it a mere coincidence that you showed up again right after I poked you with a stick?
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:46 am

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In post 16, Prism wrote:I should give a heads up that I will be in very sporadically as I've got some approaching deadlines for my graduate school applications. Barring a very early elimination today, this should be cleared up by Day 2.
Good luck with grad school, it's stressful but really fun
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:49 am

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In post 39, Binatog13 wrote:
especially that I am a potential role that will help town.
Dang, that's a bold thing to say d1. Unless you're saying you potentially have a useful role, in which case, yeah, we all
potentially
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:54 am

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Also, looks like everyone except Ishrar has posted. To me it feels like they're genuinely absent then trying to lay low. Isharrrrr, come post so we can get infooooo
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:56 am

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In post 39, Binatog13 wrote:I love random questions at early stages of the game. That way, we will get to know each other and possibly gather info,
especially that I am a potential role that will help town.
Why did you need to imply you’re a PR right off the bat? I believe you as I think that’s way too bold a move for the mafia to pull, but I don’t see what it’s accomplished aside from putting a target on your back for tonight.
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:58 am

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In post 44, Laplacian wrote:Also, looks like everyone except Ishrar has posted. To me it feels like they're genuinely absent then trying to lay low. Isharrrrr, come post so we can get infooooo
I’m assuming we’re not far off from a prod and eventual replacement of them so we should be hearing from them soon enough either way.
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:34 am

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any SE that plays newbie games to try and face easier opponents is a loser and newbies often come with mafia experience anyway so they're dumb too
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:38 am

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sometimes i take a while to get into games, so no vote from me yet
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:29 am

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In post 31, Taly wrote:
Prism
seems lower temperature than my recent experience with them but this also pretty early and the game I reference was very different in terms of playerlist and mechanics.
I think outing an expectation of more hyperagression/tilt in response to bad pushes on me, on page 2, is counterproductive if you're hoping to read me with it. I had the only vaguely serious vote as a bonus.

I would like to see you place a vote soon.

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