open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Andante]

Alrighty!! I got 2 reads, I TR them both, gonna step away and do something today, and make my dog happy
but before I do that, I'll leave yall with my notes, they're not meant to be part of a "case" or whatever, but think of them as more of my notes I wrote as reading through ISOs/reading like 700-800. If people have questions, I can try and answer, but the best explanation I can give is likely written down.

Catboi

Spoiler: General Notes

12/28, As of now I feel comfortable calling him town, not locktown yet, but definitely not red.
Even with Datisi’s explanation of what 723 says, I still don’t understand it

Spoiler: If Scum

263- not with innocentvillager
476 & 478 – not with Pooky
630 – not scum with datisi

Spoiler: Good Stuff

737- good response to innocentvillager’s “not seeing anything towny”
219 – I like this response to “I wonder how he’s going to read me” it’s not over explaining, and is a nice simple answer
363- probably a thought town has
409- Good!
571 – I like this, and genuinely think this comes from town

Spoiler: Bad Stuff

234- but why? (Found the why at 314- it’s alright, I haven’t read midway yet soooo - **Revisit)
282- says that something not even game related is “OBVTOWN”??
411- I do not like the “I was going to TR andante for number choice, but not all scum probably care” like, If you’re Tring me, don’t TR me off a number choice?? Like, can the TR be content related? Especially since all stats point towards low numbers and top of draft being likely scum. Also not sure I like the flow push, but it’s fine for now, flow probably needs pressure.
589 – “cause reasons” is not a good reason im town, like I literally die tonight (unless scum actually think I’m vt.. maybe I am) so after I flip green, it’s like you can just go back like “yep this was obv her town game”

Spoiler: Stuff I wanna comment on, but idk if good or bad

391 – pshhh “treading more cautiously” on your read on me… I don’t like the wording of this, like why not just deal with a read on me later?
462- why not? Gotta start somewhere for reads

Faker

Spoiler: General Notes

(He) - green as of 12/28, no reason to be red yet, I do want more, but so far, I like what I’ve read
206- here’s where the mare/faker beef gets brought up
12/27 - Traveling/on phone for next few days, “can only give minimal effort”

Spoiler: Good Stuff

29 – talks about scum pt, not feeling like scum would do that
583 – I could see coming from town mindset

Spoiler: Bad Stuff

724 – “Too tired to read” and some irrelevant thing about “no beef with Mare” (As I’m ISOing, this isn’t so bad, but still want to monitor**)
98- “I don’t like skitter” yet votes mare?

[Andante]

That is the nicest/best formatted post I have ever done!! ahhhhh basically, questions I ask there aren't really directed at yall, it's just questions I kinda have, and I'm thinking about, if I care enough about an answer I'll ask you directly

[northsidegal]

Actually I kinda want to go back and look at the numbers selected by scum in the 5th position because that feels like not a coincidence.

that seems like it could be the position of "pick a high number to avoid the single digit collisions but still end up near the top". i imagine the prototypical scumteam draft is either all three low or two low one hedge like that, so post-hoc i can see how it makes sense

[northsidegal]

i realize that this is like a weird cryptic comment, but andante if you are town this game then i look forward to playing with you as scum - i believe there's a tell that might work on you, and it's one of my favorite tells to use.

[Something_Smart]

I realized I didn't include the game Hoopla posted this in, since she obviously didn't know the outcome from that game.

1st - xxxxxx
2nd - xxxxx
3rd - xxx
4th - xxxx
5th - xxxxxxxx
6th - xxx
7th - xxx
8th - xxx
9th - xxxxxx
10th - xx
11th - xx
12th -x
13th - xx
14th - xxx

Really tempted to go through and actually find the numbers picked for each spot.

[flow trap]

Oh fun, ok i have a lot to say on that, but give me a few hours

This post kind of rubs me the wrong way; but not overly so due to the previous posts from them

You're just jealous cause you were bottom of the draft

I literally spent the entirety of the last PYP game I played correctly calling the top drafter scum

This logic feels forced and I feel like it's not that accurate

[Something_Smart]

I may have messed up a bit, since my counts don't exactly match Hoopla's. But this is what I've got.

1st - 1 1 2 5 6 8
2nd - 3 3 5 6 9
3rd - 8 9 10 11
4th - 1 13 15 22
5th - 1 4 8 9 12 18 69 413
6th - 1 6 20
7th - 3 5 5 42
8th - 2
9th - 1 2 3 4 4 10
10th - 1 7
11th - 6 11
12th - 1
13th - 1 2
14th - 4 4 4 6

[Something_Smart]

This logic feels forced and I feel like it's not that accurate

The logic that my reasoning is not motivated by my position because I've held this view in other games? What's inaccurate about it?

[innocentvillager]

Oh fun, ok i have a lot to say on that, but give me a few hours

This post kind of rubs me the wrong way; but not overly so due to the previous posts from them

why does it rub u wrong way? it doesn’t feel like a post u make if the accuser is dead on correct

[innocentvillager]

SLEEPLESS!!! SLEEPLESS SCUM? 8 feels pretty safe to pick... I'm still not a fan of the "this is too much to read. see yall thursday"

My work schedule doesn't change based on alignment in mafia games. 8 hours between shifts is barely enough to sleep let alone read that many pages.

sleepless town

[Datisi]

lol what

[innocentvillager]

Hi darius

[innocentvillager]

Oops datisi

[Datisi]

why is sleepless town

[innocentvillager]

don’t worry about it

[Andante]

I may have messed up a bit, since my counts don't exactly match Hoopla's. But this is what I've got.

1st - 1 1 2 5 6 8
2nd - 3 3 5 6 9
3rd - 8 9 10 11
4th - 1 13 15 22
5th - 1 4 8 9 12 18 69 413
6th - 1 6 20
7th - 3 5 5 42
8th - 2
9th - 1 2 3 4 4 10
10th - 1 7
11th - 6 11
12th - 1
13th - 1 2
14th - 4 4 4 6

Not quite sure on yours, I went through, looked at a bunch of game, and made a chart. the red/green up top is whether town or scum won, uhhh I don't really get any "conclusions" from this lol

[catboi]

SLEEPLESS!!! SLEEPLESS SCUM? 8 feels pretty safe to pick... I'm still not a fan of the "this is too much to read. see yall thursday"

My work schedule doesn't change based on alignment in mafia games. 8 hours between shifts is barely enough to sleep let alone read that many pages.

sleepless town

No

[catboi]

180 posts since my last one nice work

[Something_Smart]

Well, ignoring Open 630 because scum were not given pregame chat, 28% of slots that didn't dupe were scum (compared to 21% of slots overall) according to your chart.

That's not a ton, but it isn't nothing.

(FYI I used more games than you because I used some that were different setups but still had the same PYP draft mechanic, including the last run of this one.)

[catboi]

VOTE: midwaybear i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

does anyone know if mwb meta has changed in the last year?

"not seeing anything towny" seems kind of a bit far? His last few posts around skitter/datisi/nsg were weird in a kind of twisty way but I didn't think 698 and the stream of consciousness type thought there where he's typing out an explanation and goes "actually this sounds kind of silly" feels real enough.

are you saying that you think his recent posting is fake? because i'm not sure how that ties in to your previous read of him and why you're replying that way to iv's vote there?

No, th exact opposite, although I think the way he went about talking about his reads was

odd

and I crinckled my nose at it a bit I think the way he worked it through was ultimately pretty townie and in general I don't agree with IV's assessmnt that he "hasn't done anything town"

[catboi]

"why are you voting s_s?"
i realized his iso is like, nothing game related. i can imagine scum!s_s being lazy here.

That was baically my exact reason - I know he is Just Like This and gets some leewy for that but I feel like when he's town he usually pulls out

some

sort of relevant thought and I haven't seen it so far

[catboi]

now, this might look like i am just sheeping catboi, but

VOTE: s_s

really Bad Vote (and so was catboi's tbh)

Nah

[Something_Smart]

I know he is Just Like This and gets some leewy for that but I feel like when he's town he usually pulls out some sort of relevant thought and I haven't seen it so far

I am not normally that lurky. It was a holiday weekend and I took yesterday off to spend time with my family.

[catboi]

VOTE: SirCakez

Getting the same feelings as I did in Final Fantasy.

I don't feel like him being in catchup mode is remotely AI especially given the speed of the thread. I feel like I

should

be able to actually get a read on him at some point this game but I can't get it the way he is now, just have to Have Patience

kind of a meh vote

[catboi]

I know he is Just Like This and gets some leewy for that but I feel like when he's town he usually pulls out some sort of relevant thought and I haven't seen it so far

I am not normally that lurky. It was a holiday weekend and I took yesterday off to spend time with my family.

It's not about being lurky it's about what you're choosing to put out into the thread