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Vote Count 3.02

innocentvillager (3):

House, MathBlade, Frogsterking

MathBlade (1):

Datisi

Frogsterking (1)

: Andresvmb

Not Voting (3):

Aristeia, innocentvillager, Something_Smart

With 8 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 3 is February 11 at 8:00 AM EST.

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[House]

I'm pretty sure if I were scum with IV I would campaign to kill House N1.

Dying n1 would be quite the novel experience.

[Aristeia]

If House and Frogster and Math are all town, as I believe they are, then there's a 0% chance that if they actually manage to all agree on something, it will make a lick of sense.

Dude look at VP’s last post
Remember the game with LLD and you were hider?

Look at it and tell me that’s not a crumb of visiting Datisi.

Mathblade do you consider the situation in which you are wrong about Datisi and he is town with you?

Let's say there are two scum and they know VPB is a weak modifier player due to D1 crumb + n1 result and you/dats are both town.

They see VPB crumbing a Datisi(Town) visit.

At that point do they:

(a) Let VPB visit Datisi and clear another town player and shoot ???? instead.

or

(b) shoot VPB to stop him from clearing more players.
(A) Not kill VPB and let him clear another player.

[House]

Like I will vote who House does but this doesn’t change my opinion

You've no idea how disconcerting this is.

You've known I was town in past games and we still argued like cats & dogs about wagons.

This doesn't pass the sniff test, brudda.

[Aristeia]

I would probably be voting for IV but yesterday has shown me that I really can't trust people to not rush the day.

I am extremely disappointed in the players that rushed the execution, I was looking forward to talking with skitter - I am unsure if I could've gotten to the correct idea that she is town but it would've been better than what happened.

I think the last person that makes sense for the RTP NK is probably IV here. I'm still catching up.


@Datisi

I think there's certainly a possibility that scum roleblocker generated a false clear on Mathblade, his play d2 in flipping from wanting me dead to speedyeeting skitter was pretty ugh - but I don't think I'm all the way there yet on wanting to eliminate him.

I know scum!mathblade can fake conviction too but I do think A50 was somewhat townie in the way he played his role.

[House]

or is that a backup that only inherits the vigilante role if a vigilante dies on n1?

that's horrible design though, punishing scum for sniping a power role on n1.

Scum can't be vig in normals anyway, so

[Something_Smart]

It ensures a vig is at least in the game no matter what happens D1.

How often do vigis get executed D1?

[Datisi]

or is that a backup that only inherits the vigilante role if a vigilante dies on n1?

that's horrible design though, punishing scum for sniping a power role on n1.

Scum can't be vig in normals anyway, so

nothing stopping them from fakeclaiming one, though.

s_s, is that the only response you have to math's last page?

[Something_Smart]

Hopefully.

[Datisi]

so... you don't have any thoughts on math's response to you asking why i'm still efforting?

[House]

Not gonna lie, I'm not feeling warm fuzzies about Math's alignment.

I'm still not a fan of yeeting him today, but I don't want that misconstrued as a hard townread.

[Something_Smart]

so... you don't have any thoughts on math's response to you asking why i'm still efforting?

none that are appropriate to post in a mafia game, no.

[MathBlade]

I would probably be voting for IV but yesterday has shown me that I really can't trust people to not rush the day.

I am extremely disappointed in the players that rushed the execution, I was looking forward to talking with skitter - I am unsure if I could've gotten to the correct idea that she is town but it would've been better than what happened.

I think the last person that makes sense for the RTP NK is probably IV here. I'm still catching up.


@Datisi

I think there's certainly a possibility that scum roleblocker generated a false clear on Mathblade, his play d2 in flipping from wanting me dead to speedyeeting skitter was pretty ugh - but I don't think I'm all the way there yet on wanting to eliminate him.

I know scum!mathblade can fake conviction too but I do think A50 was somewhat townie in the way he played his role.

I didn’t speed yeet Skitter.
I put her at E-1 because of lack of give a fuck.

That’s kinda where I am at right now.

It boggles my mind how people just go “IV inactive” elim IV,
Skitter was more policy for pushing a clear

And you’re pushing scum roleblocking IV when there is no evidence of one?

And you’re asking me to consider Datisi town when
I scumread him based on tone (that thing I am not allowed to use)
Based on how he’s posting strategically
The VCA portion fits

And he’s pushing a clear

But nope Datisi is town for “reasons”.

[MathBlade]

If House and Frogster and Math are all town, as I believe they are, then there's a 0% chance that if they actually manage to all agree on something, it will make a lick of sense.

Dude look at VP’s last post
Remember the game with LLD and you were hider?

Look at it and tell me that’s not a crumb of visiting Datisi.

Mathblade do you consider the situation in which you are wrong about Datisi and he is town with you?

Let's say there are two scum and they know VPB is a weak modifier player due to D1 crumb + n1 result and you/dats are both town.

They see VPB crumbing a Datisi(Town) visit.

At that point do they:

(a) Let VPB visit Datisi and clear another town player and shoot ???? instead.

or

(b) shoot VPB to stop him from clearing more players.
(A) Not kill VPB and let him clear another player.

Yes I would argue scum don’t know what VP is. This is knowing what VP is. Your question is flawed

[Aristeia]

VOTE: innocentvillager

e-1

Town:
Dats, Ari, SS, House, Frog
Edge Case:
Math
Scum:
Andres, IV

I can't believe he has decided to try to quicklim back to back days

I am now more glad I did not vote for IV yet.

[Aristeia]

Yes I would argue scum don’t know what VP is. This is knowing what VP is. Your question is flawed

He said "If I die, A50 is scum"

the next day: "I am claiming an inno on A50"

You really think scum can't figure out that's a weak modifier?

[Aristeia]

I didn’t speed yeet Skitter.
I put her at E-1 because of lack of give a fuck.

Mathblade you have been playing the game for maybe a day at that point.

If you really think it's appropriate town play to speedyeet someone before they get to talk to people I think you might lack basic respect for the rest of us here at this table.

[MathBlade]

Yes I would argue scum don’t know what VP is. This is knowing what VP is. Your question is flawed

He said "If I die, A50 is scum"

the next day: "I am claiming an inno on A50"

You really think scum can't figure out that's a weak modifier?

That’s not always a weak modifier. It means a strong read is all. Weak is one possibility.
Furthermore the mechanical scum play on MS is usually terrible.
So no I don’t expect good scum play.

[Something_Smart]

Yes I would argue scum don’t know what VP is. This is knowing what VP is. Your question is flawed

Ari's point is that figuring out VP's crumb is really easy if you know he has a role capable of generating clears. I'm honestly kind of embarrassed that I didn't.

[MathBlade]

I didn’t speed yeet Skitter.
I put her at E-1 because of lack of give a fuck.

Mathblade you have been playing the game for maybe a day at that point.

If you really think it's appropriate town play to speedyeet someone before they get to talk to people I think you might lack basic respect for the rest of us here at this table.

Again I didn’t speed yeet.
I voted her out of frustration.
Someone else hammered.

I was glad the day was done
I will be glad when this one is done too because we still aren’t doing the smart town play

[MathBlade]

Yes I would argue scum don’t know what VP is. This is knowing what VP is. Your question is flawed

Ari's point is that figuring out VP's crumb is really easy if you know he has a role capable of generating clears. I'm honestly kind of embarrassed that I didn't.

And that’s assuming scum put that together. I don’t find that a valid assumption.

[Aristeia]

ok what's another mech possibility for

He said "If I die, A50 is scum"

the next day: "I am claiming an inno on A50"

Also it's not even good mechplay - it's basic mechplay...

[Aristeia]

Like can you even come up for a reason why a scum team wouldn't shoot VPB if they see him generating clears? Do you think scum can just afford to let him keep visiting people?

[House]

Yes I would argue scum don’t know what VP is. This is knowing what VP is. Your question is flawed

He said "If I die, A50 is scum"

the next day: "I am claiming an inno on A50"

You really think scum can't figure out that's a weak modifier?

That’s not always a weak modifier. It means a strong read is all. Weak is one possibility.
Furthermore the mechanical scum play on MS is usually terrible.
So no I don’t expect good scum play.

Flipping a scumread instantly upon day start is not just an , "oops, changed my mind".

Is it conceivable that it might someday happen to someone who spends nights scouring the game thread? Yeah, sure, maybe 1 time out of thousands.

But Occam's Razor shreds your claim to pieces.

[MathBlade]

ok what's another mech possibility for

He said "If I die, A50 is scum"

the next day: "I am claiming an inno on A50"

Also it's not even good mechplay - it's basic mechplay...

Person with a strong town read who is VT fake claiming.
Person with a strong town read due to investigation that is not weak.

There is two.