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ObjectionIn post 8, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: koopashell
I know your type. You heard about the incident and came to snoop around. Youths today! Something happens and all you can think of is sightseeing. Wasting your time at a place like this. Don’t you have a job you should be doing? Or do you not work like the rest of us? Maybe I should try it out myself. Sounds like a life of ease no work just loading around all day as you please. Well when I was young things were a mite different, mind you we didn’t prance about in strange hippie clothes. What are the youths coming to these days my own son hasn’t called in…
Do not take this seriously.-
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I saw nothing worth voting for. Carry on.
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L + Ratio + Don't careIn post 20, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This answer doesn’t sit right with me. I think a more feasible explanation would have been being more busy with the initial ideas koopashell wanted to convey.In post 17, koopashell wrote:I saw nothing worth voting for. Carry on.
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Because I felt like it, and I am not you, so your implication that this is "bad" does not affect my play. It was enough that I announced L-2. You're welcome.In post 24, The Bulge wrote:
so it's a serious vote then yea? why did you want to push the wagon to L-2 so early?In post 17, koopashell wrote:I saw nothing worth voting for. Carry on.
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koopashell They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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Did no one open the link in Radical Rat's post?
The point is that RR explicitly is trying to fish a claim out of me - something I obviously refuse to do on page 1. I want people to reach theirownconclusions, and not just ones fed to them by me.
I am noting that you arecontinuingto make subtle accusations at me as if I am wolfy without explicitly saying so. First you noted the L-2 thing and now you are saying that my choice to not share a reason was also wolfy. I'd like you to either speak plainly on how you stand on my slot, or at least knock off this kind of subtle shade.
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In post 12, Radical Rat wrote:
https://objection.lol/objection/3580148In post 9, koopashell wrote:I think I'm effectively an IC based on my claim even though, yee, mafia have fakeclaims.
I have a novice role that is pretty weak too so I assume this is role madness.
VOTE: koopashell
Here's a screenshot of what the link leads to.-
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fatIn post 31, Kcdaspot wrote:I'm not able to really partake in this game right now.
Over at my mother's making chicken.
I will be back later but for right now I'm just going to enjoy this obscenely large painting that I have in my office.-
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Why was that not scummy, but my actions worth questioning?In post 37, The Bulge wrote:
i don't think it was all that scummyIn post 27, Not Known 15 wrote:It would be indeed good if you tell us the reason. I have to agree with the bulge here. On the other hand, bulge, what's your stance on the radical rat post?
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Who taught you to play mafia?In post 41, Not Known 15 wrote:
Aye, until the added sentence in the post below.In post 38, Gamma Emerald wrote:My own opinion is that it’s a fair call-out
That one is defensive and very image-conscious. That's scummy.
Being defensive and image conscious are not wolfy on their own. It is if it is absent in the player's town game, but it can very well be something present in both, particularly in high level players who are aware of their position at the table.-
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You just contradicted yourself, you admitted that this can be present in villa play, ergo, it is not strictly wolf indicative and requires nuance. Unless you consider mafia to be an RNG game where you play for odds, in which case I think we will have much disagreement. You should consider reading your own words and the implications of them before you hit send so you don't make such foolish statements in the future.In post 44, Not Known 15 wrote:
Yes, they are wolfy on their own. Scum players tend to do this more than town players, on average.In post 43, koopashell wrote:
Who taught you to play mafia?In post 41, Not Known 15 wrote:
Aye, until the added sentence in the post below.In post 38, Gamma Emerald wrote:My own opinion is that it’s a fair call-out
That one is defensive and very image-conscious. That's scummy.
Being defensive and image conscious are not wolfy on their own. It is if it is absent in the player's town game, but it can very well be something present in both, particularly in high level players who are aware of their position at the table.
On the bright side, I villa read you so that pleases me I can largely ignore you from this point forward.-
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I'm essentially implying that if I was in a position, where the thread was closed, and I was to choose 2 players and they both had to be wolves, or else we lose, my top 2 candidates would be Radical Rat and yourself due to how you are giving Radical Rat a pass for something very clearly a fishing attempt, while showing overt criticism for me attempting to push the game forward, and painting my actions in a way that is worse.In post 49, The Bulge wrote:
??In post 42, koopashell wrote:
Why was that not scummy, but my actions worth questioning?In post 37, The Bulge wrote:
i don't think it was all that scummyIn post 27, Not Known 15 wrote:It would be indeed good if you tell us the reason. I have to agree with the bulge here. On the other hand, bulge, what's your stance on the radical rat post?
Seems like you are treating me differently than RR here.
Do you have any gut reads, if any, other than me as wolf?-
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koopashell They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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Reading into mechanical info this early is ill advised - I would ask kindly that if you are town to simply discard the claim and instead read into the reactions to it. My role is 100% self resolving, by either mafia killing me tonight because they understand what I'm softing, or by me living to night 2 and being able to use my self resolving ability.In post 52, ShadowGirl wrote:
I think I'm on case three of Spirit of Justice, but I've completed all the other mainline games (minus AAI2 which technically doesn't have an official translation but does have a fan one).In post 19, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’ve played DD and SoJ basically in full (just need to finish the DLC case of SoJ)
Haven’t really played any others otherwise, I did play through like a third of AJ once
This feels a bit like rolefishing to me which on page 1 I don't think we need to get into outing everyone yet, as later on we collectively can decide if that will be beneficial to town.In post 12, Radical Rat wrote:
https://objection.lol/objection/3580148In post 9, koopashell wrote:I think I'm effectively an IC based on my claim even though, yee, mafia have fakeclaims.
I have a novice role that is pretty weak too so I assume this is role madness.
VOTE: koopashell
But conversely I don't super love koopashell's soft innocent child (sorry if that is me misreading the acronym, I haven't played in nearly a decade) claim as it can feel like trying to get a town pass (but we know that the mafia has safe fake claims so I don't know if anyone can be cleared due to character flavour).-
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I never asked anyone or criticised anyone for not townreading me for the claim, so the theory that I am doing it simply for that is not exactly valid - I can back up my claim when is needed, I'm simply laying crumbs to ensure people know I am not talking out my ass.
From my experience with host provided fake claims - they usually are not actually good, so when we do get to a massclaim stage, I do feel we can sus out whoever is mafia via their claim because they will be ostentatiously be "too safe".-
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koopashell They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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My apologies if I'm posting too much for the thread, I am used to a much faster speed normally, and I am simply trying to maintain my presence. It does help if people are open with their thoughts right away wrt other players so it is easier to sort and not have to go back and forth to get those answers.-
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I mentioned wolf fakeclaims because objectively, people should think that my flavor is one that scum should not be able to receive, and thus why my role is fully resolvable at night 2.In post 59, Gamma Emerald wrote:You’re the one who volunteered role info apropos of nothing
Thinking people wouldn’t be curious what you were playing at seems short-sighted
What I rlly don’t get is why the mention of scum fakeclaims?
RR's reaction was less curious - more frustrated, however.
I'm really surprised that no one really understood the soft although I'm sure wolves did and kept it to themselves.
I volunteer role info because I am a player who believes in honesty and openness, and that sharing as much as possible is a key to solving the game. I hardly expect people to see my view right away - I am oftentimes 2 steps ahead of town due to my experience, but I do believe in villas to eventually be able to reach the same conclusions as myself, if they are correct, eventually through other means, as the Truth always prevails.-
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Are you scumreading me, or not, ShadowGirl?
Inherently saying my role resolves on Night 2 and that my flavor is extremely villa indicative is not asking those things, I am merely trueclaiming.
Have I acted in a way where I am simply sitting back and abusing that fact to do nothing? That is how it feels like you are framing it.
I'm asking you to evaluate me on things outside of that, which you are stubbornly not doing and is frustrating from my point of view.
I know you have not really read my posts because you wrote down RR's words and failed to notice that I posted a screenshot of the thing he linked, so are you evaluating me in good faith or not?-
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koopashell They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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If I am a wolf, I have effectively crippled my team and have put faith in my wolf partner to endgame by themselves as I would be automatically chopped on day 3 as soon as it is clear I am not self resolving - so you don't really need to worry about that. Mafia is a game that is about holistic solves, you don't need to make hard reads like that on me when we can just play regular mafia and not try to be heroes here. My concern is that there is too much focus on my claim and not enough focus on sorting *other slots* and that this is engulfing the game in an unhealthy way when I have asked several time to disregard my claim right now.-
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"It is anti-town ergo wolfy"
Heard this one a million times, imagine my shock when it is actually a terrible way to sort someone.
Your statement about scum not worrying about the nightkill is extremely nonsensical. I can fullclaim at any time and bury you if you want to continue spewing nonsense, RR, would you like that?-
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There is actually a benefit to not actually being clear, because it's easier to read the game.
Can you tell me what your reads *outside* of my slot are?
I am tired of asking this question because it seems I am getting all of the focus and it is quite annoying when I feel I should be fairly obviously a villa if one just discards the daystart claim as reasoning because, well, it isn't real reasoning and is a noob trap.-
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koopashell They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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As for the difference between "what is your flavor then?" and "why did you say this" there is no effective difference, so please spare me the overexplainations of how it is "technically" not the same thing. You wanted me to claim my flavor and I am refusing to.
I guess it is not just other sites that people are completely terrible with reading into mechplay and assume the worst possible theories because they all want to be heroes, except they are too busy trying to take shitty shortcuts instead of playing mafia-
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VOTE: The Bulge
Something in your last post felt villagery, however, even though it is so convoluted and wrong. Feels more you think you got a case of the "I want to be wright", but really you are just, as I mentioned in my last post, taking a shortcut that does not ever work consistently.
You have never played with me - you should perhaps assume good faith that the action I am doing, if it can be determined as NAI, is indeed, NAI. In fact, I think many would actually improve their townplay if they didn't attack a claim just for the sake of attacking someone claiming such as in the manner I did Just a thought.
For all you know, I am a vanilla role trying to gambit my way into drawing the night 1 kill. But I digress. I am getting a bit frustrated with how I am being treated by several people and feel this discussion is easily making it possible for wolves to blend in at this point and hyperfocus my slot.
Reread it, something feels off with ShadowGirl in her latest post - @ShadowGirl, would you mind posting a reads list so far for us? Just a ranked list, doesn't need to be fancy. I would like to prod into your thought processes. It is not because of the fact I am the one being attacked - before you try to accuse me of that. I have my own reasons and they revolve over how you fit this bill I feel for a wolf who is attempting to blend into this nonsense mech discussion. There's a lot of "uncertainty" that comes off as disingenuousto me, such as the first sentence trailing off as a question, as if seeking validation for the point. Reminding me however how much I hate the early game because of all the stretches one has to make to progress the gamestate especially when not everyone has been particularly active.-
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Interesting, because I find NK15 to just be VI material rather than a wolf, while ShadowGirl, as I explained in my last post, has pinged me in a wolfy way.In post 70, Radical Rat wrote:
I mean, it's page 3, and you're by far the most interesting poster.In post 68, koopashell wrote:Can you tell me what your reads *outside* of my slot are?
However, I do have a scumlean on NK15, and a Town lean on Gamma and ShadowGirl
Gamma I will agree on that they have been fairly villagery so far. I feel that is a player that will show their alignment over time through stamina and energy, so I am not particularly worried about them.-
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I don't believe we have played at the same table.In post 86, Gamma Emerald wrote:something about koopashell seems familiar, and given that the soft seems like a legit town move
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this but unironically.In post 95, Kcdaspot wrote:yeah vote the guy on v/la until tonight.
nothing wrong with forcing someone to immediately have to post thoughts under pressure.-
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Claims are not alignment indicative. Who taught you people mafia???In post 103, ShadowGirl wrote:
But what specifically about the soft claim reads as town to you? What do you think about RR's post about it?In post 102, Gamma Emerald wrote:koopa isn’t sure town for me yet, I just feel like they’re more likely town than scum rn
Read my reads not my claims.-
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Without referencing my claim.In post 108, koopashell wrote:ShadowGirl, why am I wolfy?-
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Since I'm honestly not in the mood to do this.
I'm Phoenix Wright, a novice desperado.
Since my top villa read wants to be a willager I want to just take the pressure off. I'm not particularly a fan of roles like desperado, but at least I know I can be accurate with it.
Have fun.
If you think scum fakeclaim includes desperado, you're actaully trolling btw-
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I have flavor associated with my role action, and a specific way to perform my role. Pheonix Wright's role being weak was what prompted me to believe that this was a role madness setup.
I think though, having me be clear day 1 even if I get night 1'd will help win the game as I have confidence in hitting wolf here.-
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I told people several times to shut the fuck up about my role soft because it is pointless. Post reads. Stop talking about my claim. It's out there now , no refuge in audacity anymore.In post 120, Radical Rat wrote:
You fished yourself, bud. There was no reason for you to say anything about your role until you intended to use it. It was weird that you did, and while I do regret that a fullclaim was the result of this whole kerfuffle, I don't regret pointing out that weirdness.In post 118, koopashell wrote:Yup. Thanks for fishing it bud-
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You wouldn't be able to find actual wolfy behavior if it smacked you in the face.In post 119, Not Known 15 wrote:
No, what's embarassing is that, if you are indeed town, you:In post 114, koopashell wrote:It is embarassing from some of the players to assume that I have acted in bad faith, notably NK15, who has essentially acted the role of a 3rd wolf.
I'm disappointed.
-claimed a confirmable and powerful role way too early, falsely assuming it to be a low power role
-Criticized pushing for anti-town behaviour because it is anti-town, then did it yourself - a very scummy behaviour.
It is a bad swingy role.
You are caught red handed pushing a villager for shit reasons and now blame the other person for not acting the way you think all villagers need to act instead of thinking "oh my reading method kinda sucks".
*That* is embarassing. I really hope you are a PR this game because you really should not get close to any sort of LyLo.-
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If you are unable to have the ability to try to think outside of the box in terms of how villagers act and instead project your idea on how they should act you will often fail to find wolves and that will reflect in your accuracy.
What I did at game start was frankly, ridiculous that people focused on it, and even moreso - assumed it was a *scum gambit*. I really would hope that was done because actual wolves do this on this site and not some self serving assumption on how you think villagers need to play the game.-
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Didn't Read+L+RatioIn post 129, Not Known 15 wrote:
No, your play and mechanical understanding areIn post 124, koopashell wrote:You wouldn't be able to find actual wolfy behavior if it smacked you in the face.
It is a bad swingy role.bad. Terribly bad.
If you criticize behaviour A and then do A later thenyouneed to stop behaviour A or stop criticizing it.
In this case, it is indeed a matter how townies should behave. You can find scum by finding inconsistencies in their reasoning that point towards them trying to get someone executed instead of trying to get scum executed. Sometimes, town do display this behaviour. As I said... it is a matter of probabilities.
And now on bad play, yes, what you did is bad. You told someone to stop pushing for antitown behaviour just because it is anti-townthen you pushed someone for antitown behaviour because it was anti-town.Please take a moment to step back and think: Would you, if I said "Behaviour A isn't scummy" and then later said about someone else "Behaviour A is scummy" think this likely comes fromtown?
That'slying about motivations for townreads/scumreads.
Now to that ridiculous assumption that Novice Desperado in a 9 players game is somehow so weak that you can announce it early.
Used wisely, it can help town tremendously in some situation, it depends on the setup a bit, too.
Let me show you how it can alter the chances of hitting scum.
6 players MeLo:
The game either descends into 5 players ELo with one confirmed town or a 5 players 4:1 with a Desperado
4 players MeLo:
on random execute, chance to hit scum is 25%. With desperado, the chance to hit scum is75%!
3 players ELo:
scum hit chance is upped to 50%, from 33%.
Desperado is a role that needs to used carefully. If it is, however, it can greatly assist town. Announcing it before absolutely necessary is simply terrible play.-
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In post 144, Not_Mafia wrote:
You expected wrongIn post 117, Radical Rat wrote:UNVOTE:
Hopefully some kind of protective role exists, because I would very much like for you to be able to actually use that desperado if it's true. And if it's not true, that will indeed become self-evident.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
I would've expected at least SOMETHING from him by now-
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I think Not Mafia is threadspewed villa - leaving me with a PoE of Bulge/KDCA/Save The Dragons/ShadowGirl.In post 93, koopashell wrote:I feel as though i have too many villareads right now and not enough wolfreads - implying my nulls have wolves in them, such as STD.
A generous solve for me right now includes 2/4 of:
[Bulge, KDCA, Not Mafia, Save The Dragons]
Bulge is the most villagery of them, Save The Dragon the wolfiest.-
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In post 75, Radical Rat wrote:Unrelated to present discussion, but it occurs to me you may not know this and it's important...
Not_Mafia WILL hammer if you put someone to E-1, regardless of alignment. Please be careful when doing so-
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Based on what?In post 169, Not Known 15 wrote:
I wonder if that was intentional...In post 165, Not_Mafia wrote:God damn it I missed my chance
If std flips scum this one is next.-
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Dude. I unvoted within 2 minutes.. are you ok?In post 174, Not Known 15 wrote:
Not Mafia was obviously here, yet only reacted after a significant amount of time. If not mafia is scum with std intentional not hammering immediately is the only way for them to win, unless they survive.In post 171, koopashell wrote:
Based on what?In post 169, Not Known 15 wrote:
I wonder if that was intentional...In post 165, Not_Mafia wrote:God damn it I missed my chance
If std flips scum this one is next.-
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